D: I'm Dan.
J: I'm Jenny.
D: We've been travelling for a little over a year
J: And we've been in Australia for about six months or so…
D: Yeah, and we're both originally from the US.
D: We kind of first started talking about travel as-
J: - a fun idea D: you know it would be cool to go there
J: I remember one time we were like-
"Oh! In 5 years we want to go to Iceland"
We set a deadline to go to Iceland in 5 years as it's been my dream forever.
D: I think originally we were just talking about places that we wanted to go as individuals
Like 'hey it would be cool to go here' But then it snowballed into-
one day we went to into a coffee shop and decided to look at prices for plane tickets,
and it was cheaper than we thought to go to this country and then once you're there -
you can take a train here- and it's just like why not keep going?
J: Even from Europe to Asia, we found tickets for like $300,
so it's a lot more affordable than we use to think,
because I use to think it would be thousands of dollars to keep travelling.
J: I think for me… I never thought I could travel long term
because once I was at the job I really thought I loved,
I was tied down, I couldn't really take a long vacation for
more than a week and when am I ever going to have enough time to do long term travelling
when you're tied down to one position I think.
So I moved to Seattle because we were dating long distance and then I was like:
"Well now that I quit my job... there's nothing tying me down."
so we might as well travel now before we get tied down a little more.
D: I work from my computer so it's something that I can pick up and take along with travel.
so we were both in a place where we weren't bound to a specific place.
D: I think part of it is just that, since we're doing this a bit more long term...
we wanted to kind of pace it out and be able to actually get to know people in a community and see
what daily life is like.
I know that museums, tours and stuff like that are part of that - and we try to see
that stuff every once in a while but, I think it's important to see what-
talk to people,
meet people,
and it's kind of a pressure too, when you talk to people about travel
and they're like 'oh you have to do this, this this and this'
J: It's too overwhelming! D: It's cool to get suggestions… but it
can be a kind of a weird stress when you're thinking that you have to see all these things
- especially if you're doing it for a shorter time, you have to pack so much in, you maybe
don't get the chance to sit back and just people watch and see how people order coffees,
read the newspaper… just the little things'.
J: I can't imagine going travelling for a year and just doing all the touristy things-
just museums… and I don't know what other touristy things people do but it just sounds
really exhausting to me.
D: Even just the place too… if you tell someone you're going to Europe they might
be like "Oh you have to go to Paris!'
but it's like what happens if you don't?
You're not going to be on your deathbed and be like:
"If only I would have gone to Paris!"
J: It's just like at that point, you want to kind of like feel like you live there just
a little bit, you know… you just try to have a bit more of a local life, with entertainment
and stuff like that, so that's why we do the open mics because you get to meet- what
the people are doing there and every art scene is very different or the topics people do
poetry about are very different- depending on where you're from
D: yeah, it's a cool insight that you don't get from museums or history books or things
like that- like what people are thinking right now, or talking to someone your age and just
being like 'what does it feel like to live here?'
not just like 'what led to this time?'
Like what- you know historical events but like what does it feel like?
J: I think travelling for me, I think everyone should do it what rather it's like world
travel or local travel within your country just because I think, when you live in a small
town where you know - I kind of grew up in a small town, you get use to the idea that
this is your whole world and you don't really see anything else outside of your community,
and I think it's okay to go outside and come back home knowing this is your home,
but I think you still need to go out of the world and experience before deciding,
being able to experience other cultures and other people- and just seeing how other people live.
Because you can read about it, you can watch documentaries and movies on it but you don't
really experience it until you can go out there and you'll be able to truly feel it.
D: Two main things for me, is like that it strips away who I am, and then it also strips away…
what you think of other cultures and countries- you can read about them or you can have an
idea based on if you've seen a movie about a certain place but when you're actually
confronted with the reality of daily life... it's more complex than a movie, or a news article
could ever distill into one easy package.
J: You can like watch movies and things like that and you know, you forget about it two
days later and it has a short term impact on you but like- what you experience in person,
you carry it with you throughout and you're always constantly having daily reminders
you know, like things that kind of trigger- reminding you of those experiences.
D: When you get out of your comfort zone and you're not um, tied to the same environment
that sort of… makes you in some ways who you are.
You kind of start to see what part of yourself is… there when you take that kind of stuff
away and I guess you also just get to see what you don't actually need.
Sometimes you go out if everyday you have something that's part of your routine,
it's easy to just take it for granted and think 'oh yeah that's just part of who I am'
but then when you take that away and you go somewhere else, you start to see how flexible
your personality and your identity is.
D: I mean the world definitely feels smaller I'm sure a lot of people say that once they've
gone to a few places but it's kind of wild just to think that like… even when I do
feel far away… I'm really only uh, you know, falling asleep in a plane away from
home… or from some other place…
J: and I think… the more you experience different things, you know- whatever kind
of experiences they are… I like to be able to feel insignificant and small and I think
travelling the world makes you feel that because it minimises you know- not the basic problems
but it makes you view problems differently and things that seem like a big deal…
you're like 'oh that's nothing you know-' and like you can deal with this, and also makes…
not life easier but just…
I don't know
tch! you know what I'm trying to say?
D: -yeah well I mean in general it makes the world feel a little bit more human and individual...
and when you see something- like when you- I think when you're in your home country,
a lot of times the only information you get about the rest of the world is just what's
going on with the politics or with governments and sometime its easy to- you read the news
'this country said this country should do this' and you think of it in terms of:
"Oh that whole country thinks that about that whole country" when really it's like…
the government feels like that or a few people that are ambassadors for that country feel
like that, but then you go somewhere and you realise that… not everybody thinks about
those politics everyday and not everybody is so wrapped up in their ideologies and identities,
it's just they live the same way that everybody else does and it makes it feel less like entire
countries have… grand plans at how they have a place in the world- it feels like it's
just a lot of individuals and the entire world are all kind of trying to come together and
build something out of all their individual lives.
J: and I think for a lot of people, it's really easy to make everything so complex
because we're humans and make a big deal out of nothing and just start getting worked
up mentally about something that should be simple and then I think the more you travel,
you're able to think more clearly, which makes everything just seem so simpler.
J: when they hear young people travelling the world or you know travelling for long
term they're like 'oh they must come from a trust fund family' or they must be super
wealthy… you make these assumptions but it's not always true.
Like we met so many travellers that are doing what we're doing and aren't given the
money- they had to work for it, and now there's so many different outlets to be able to travel-
more budget friendly…
D: There's definitely ways to save money, I mean if you're not staying in nice hotels
and if you're not doing all the expensive tourist kind of stuff...
you can eliminate a lot of travel costs if you're just a little bit selective about what you're seeing and
also I mean for us since we're doing it a bit more long term, we were able to do stuff
like workstays- worked in a hostel and farms
J: So we do a lot of work trades instead of paying for a bed, you know in a hostel we'd
work there a few hours a week and then they give us a bed-
which you can find all over the world,
or whatever you're interested in, you can au pair, alot of people nanny
in exchange for accomodation to live in another country or
D: teaching english, volunteering with community projects all that kind of stuff
J: so there's gonna be something you like doing out there.
D: Listen to yourself, but also intuition like of… where you should go, what you should
see you know don't necessarily- don't listen to do much advice I guess, it's good
to take suggestions but-
J: be smart
D: if you're really not that interested in seeing a certain place or going to a certain
tourist site- don't feel like you have to I guess
If something seems cool to you or if something seems interesting or you want to have a conversation
(with someone), it may not be the most extravagant way to spend your time but you're going
to get a lot more out of something that comes about naturally I think than
"I need to get to this place" you know
J: I think everyone just enjoys things differently you know, it's like whatI think is interesting or fun to do
-not everyone's going to think that and thats okay and just be okay with that
but- I think people who are trying to plan a long term travel or just maybe travelling
in general- even short term I guess like… don't keep putting it off forever, it seems
like a big deal- I mean it is a big deal but it seems overwhelming to try to plan a whole
year- like if we were to plan a whole year it'd be like:
"oh okay we have to buy all these plane tickets and be here by this time"
just be flexible and be open and… you don't
know who- what other friends you meet along the way- maybe you'd wanna go somewhere
else or…
D: stay longer…
J: Yeah I'd say don't overplan and don't overpack because the more stuff you have,
the more it is to lug around.
Just try to learn to live with not much because you just gain so much more from that and I
think … just try not to put it off forever, it's like the whole saying
"if not now then when?"
For me the way I live my life in general is like
if it doesn't make a difference if I do it now or later why don't I just do it now you know?
J: what's next?
D: I guess we're just kind of on our way back home, we're going back through Europe…
J: so we'll fly out to Malaysia and then spend a few weeks in Malaysia and then fly
into Denmark cause it's cheaper to fly into Denmark to go to Iceland
[chuckle]
Iceland's been my dream for so many years so we'll try to spend a couple weeks there
just hiking and camping and experiencing the beautiful nature there and go back to Europe
a couple months and fly home- start life again at home.
B: you guys excited to go back or nervous you know? D:
D: I'm pretty excited to go back- I mean travel to me is so refreshing that it makes going
back better- I don't get that sense of like you know once travelling is over then all
the feelings that were felt during travel and all those experiences were just like left
to the past, it's all part of me and all kind of adds to how I see home and what I
have to bring to people back home.
J: People always ask me all the time "oh are you homesick?" or "do you miss home?"
I don't miss home so much as 'home' but I miss the people and I miss-
since I'm such a planner I think I miss being able to build a life somewhere because when you travel
you're always leaving leaving and you're experiencing new things but you can't you
know- if you don't plan to stay there, you can't actually build anything long term
there so I'm excited to go home to you know- create the life, and create all the stuff
I wanna do back home, but you know, I'm okay right now being where I am,
I don't need to be home right now.
[chuckle]
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