FIRST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A GAME THAT'S DEFINITELY ON MY
RADAR AND THAT IS VANE.
LUCKILY WE'VE GOT MATT FROM TODAY.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SETUP FOR VANE.
I KNOW IT'S KIND OF GOT THIS MINIMALIST KIND OF LOOK AND
FEEL.
>> RIGHT.
>> WE ARE GOING TO CHECK OUT SOME NEW GAMEPLAY HERE SHORTLY.
TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE WHAT DO FANS NEED TO KNOW ABOUT
THIS GAME?
>> WELL, WE KIND OF WANT PEOPLE COMING IN COLD.
>> YEAH.
>> IT'S A VERY MYSTERIOUS WORLD MUCH THE GAME IS BASICALLY AN
EXPLORATION OF A STRANGE PLACE.
AND IF YOU KNOW THAT, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL YOU NEED
TO KNOW.
[ LAUGHTER ] >> THAT'S IT.
SEGMENT DONE.
>> I MEAN, IT'S SORT OF A STAND -- IT'S GOT SOME STANDARD
SORT OF THIRD-PERSON EXPLORATION PLATFORMY KIND OF CONTROLS TO IT
BUT IT'S ABOUT THIS STRANGE WORLD THAT STARTS OFF AS A
DESERT BUT THERE'S HINTS OF MORE STUFF TO IT.
REALLY YOU ARE UNEXPLORING AND UNCOVERING IT LAYER BY LAYER AND
TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER WHAT HAPPENED OR WHO YOUR CHARACTER
IS OR WHAT THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU
FIND IN THE WORLD.
>> THAT'S GREAT.
WE GOT THAT NEW GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE RUNNING RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS COMING TO PS4.
>> YEP.
ONE.
I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY PRETTY.
>> THANKS A LOT.
>> HOW DO YOU RESPOND, I'VE HEARD SOMETIMES SOME FOLKS WILL
COMPARE IT TO JOURNEY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO THAT?
>> I MEAN, YOU CAN'T HELP BUT BE FLATTERED, RIGHT?
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
JOURNEY'S A REALLY FANTASTIC GAME.
AND WE'RE FLATTERED BY THE COMPARISON.
I THINK OUR GAME IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU ASK ANY CREATOR AND THEY'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT MAKES THEIR GAME UNIQUE.
>> IT SEEMS TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DARKER FEEL THAN JOURNEY
DID.
>> YEAH, AND IT'S LIABILITY -- Y MUCH LIKE WE WANT PLAYERS TO
FIND THEIR OWN WAY, CARVE THEIR OWN PATH.
WE DOESN'T WANT TO HOLD PEOPLE'S HANDS.
WE DON'T WANT TO TELL THEM WHERE TO GO.
IN THIS BIG ENVIRONMENT, WE'RE NOT REALLY SHOWING YOU
SPECIFICALLY WHERE TO GO.
YOU KIND OF HAVE TO FIND THAT OUT FOR YOURSELF.
>> THE CHARACTER JUST TURNED INTO THE BIRD.
>> THAT WAS WAFTER MENTIONING.
>> THAT WAS CORRECT?
>> THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT.
>> WHEN THE GAME STARTS, IT WILL ACTUALLY BE A BIRD.
THIS SECTION OF THE GAME IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN.
THE CHARACTER CAN TRANSFORM.
THERE'S A MYSTERIOUS KIND OF GOLDEN SUBSTANCE TO THE WORLD
THAT AFFECTS THAT TRANSFORMATION.
THAT GOLDEN EFFECTS STARTS TO HAVE OTHER EFFECTS TO THINGS ON
THE WORLD AND IT HAS SOME INTERESTING -- THE WORLD LOOKING
GLITCHY OR MOVING AROUND.
THAT'S THE EFFECT OF THAT SUBSTANCE.
>> IS IT A GOO OR A POWDER?
AN ENERGY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
>> IT'S GOLD IS THE WAY WE SEE IT.
>> OKAY.
>> IT'S WHAT WE CALL IT.
BUT IT'S SORT OF -- YEAH, IT'S JUST A MYSTERIOUS METALLIC
SUBSTANCE THAT HAS A MYSTERIOUS POWER.
>> HERE WE'RE PERCHING ON THIS POLE OR WHATEVER THIS IS, THIS
BAR WITH THESE OTHER BIRDS.
HOW DID THAT WORK?
>> SO THERE'S SOME MECHANISMS.
IT'S SORT OF UNCLEAR MAYBE WHY THESE MECHANISMS MIGHT BE HERE.
BUT THEY ARE THERE AND YOU CAN INTERACT WITH THEM.
AS A BIRD, YOU REALLY CAN'T DO VERY MUCH IN THIS GAME.
MOST OF THE GAMEPLAY IS FINDING WAYS TO TURN INTO A CHILD AND
EFFECT CHANGE THAT WAY.
>> I SEE.
>> IS THAT THAT GOLD STUFF IN THE BACKGROUND THAT WE'RE SEEING
THERE?
>> THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
>> I SEE.
WE WILL GET A LOOK AT THIS GOLD HERE.
>> THERE ARE SOME SMALL MECHANISMS IF YOU CAN GET ENOUGH
BIRDS WITH YOU AND BUILD UP SOME NUMBERS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO
SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY THE SECTION OF THE GAME AT THAT
TAKES PLACE BEFORE THIS HAS VARIOUS INTERACTION IN THIS
CO-VERN.
>> THE LANDSCAPE WE ARE IN HAS ALMOST LOOKS LIKE ANCIENT RUINS,
MAYBE POST-APOCALYPTIC.
DOES THAT PLAY INTO IT?
>> THE TRIANGLES, THERE'S A POLYGONAL LOOK TO IT.
>> WE HAVE A SORT OF PARTICULAR AESTHETIC WE'RE SHOOTING FOR.
PART OF THAT IS A CONCESSION TO BEING A SMALL TEAM, IS THAT WE
CAN'T DO A TON OF DETAIL AND THINGS SO WE'RE TRYING TO PICK
AN AESTHETIC THAT LET'S US WORK FAST.
BUT PART OF IT IS ALSO WE JUST THINK IT LOOKS VERY GOOD.
>> IT'S COOL.
IT LOOKS GREAT.
SO IT DOES LOOK LIKE SOME SORT OF MAYBE AN ANCIENT CIVILIZATION
OR SOMETHING TO MEREDITH'S POINT.
I KNOW YOU'RE BEING CAGEY ON DETAILS HERE.
>> I WILL CONTINUE TO BE CAGEY.
>> WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP PRODDING AND PESTERING.
BEEN WORKING ON THIS GAME SOUYS- FAR?
>> THREE YEARS.
>> OKAY, GREAT.
>> IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD.
WE HAVE SOME DISTANCE YET TO GO.
>> WAS THERE A MOMENT OR A GAME OR A MECHANIC THAT INSPIRED
THIS?
WAS SOMEBODY DOODLING SOME DAY AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT
I WANT TO DO?
HOW DID THAT KIND OF COME TOGETHER?
>> I THINK WE CAME ACROSS AN ATMOSPHERE, FIRST.
WE CAME ACROSS SORT OF, LIKE, A FEELING AND AN ATMOSPHERE AND WE
WANTED TO BUILD FROM THAT.
IT WAS SORT OF ABOUT, LIKE, COMING UP WITH A LOOK AND THEN
WORKING BACKWARDS AND SORT OF PUTTING GAMEPLAY INTO THAT.
AND IT WAS THIS SORT OF IDEA OF THE BIRD TRANSFORMING INTO A
CHILD AND A CHILD TRANSFORMING INTO A BIRD THAT KIND OF SETTLED
ALL THAT OFF.
>> WE ARE UP TO THE ORB.
I NOTICED THAT WAS GLOWING BEFORE.
IT WAS LIKE LIGHT CUES THAT LET YOU KNOW WHERE TO PROGRESS.
WITH A GAME THIS OPEN YOU DON'T WANT A PLAYER TO GET LOST AND
HAVE ART TO CARRY THEM THROUGH AND KNOW WHAT TO DO.
SO IS LIGHT A BIG CUE FOR YOU GUYS?
>> WE TRY TO DO -- WE TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO TOO MUCH.
WE DOESN'T WANT THE PLAYER ON A LEASH, YOU KNOW?
BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT THE PLAYER TO GET LOST.
THIS IS A GAME WHERE WE WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL FREE TO EXPLORE
BUT NOT FEEL LOST.
>> DELICATE BALANCE.
>> IT IS A REALLY DELICATE BALANCE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY CHALLENGING FOR US.
THIS IS USUALLY LIKE WE DON'T PUT THIS STUFF IN UNTIL THE LAST
MINUTE BECAUSE WE WANT TO AVOID PUTTING THIS THOSE KINDS OF
HINTS AND THEN PEOPLE GET LOST IF WE PUT THEM IN.
>> THIS IS A LOOKER, ALL RIGHT.
WHAT'S IT LIKE TO ACTUALLY CONTROL THE BIRD?
IS IT THROUGH THE ANALOG STICKS.
>> IT'S LIKE A LIGHT FLIGHT SIM TYPE OF CONTROLS.
IT STARTS OUT WITH SORT OF THE -- USUALLY LIKE INVERTED
CONTROLS.
BUT WE HAVE OPTIONS TO CHANGE THAT FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T
COMFORTABLE.
BUT THEN A STANDARD KIND OF PLATFORMING STYLE THIRD-PERSON
ACTION STYLE FOR A CHILD.
>> WHAT IS THE ACTION THAT THE CHILD CAN ACTUALLY DO?
>> THE CHILD CAN SHOUT WHICH DOESN'T REALLY DO MUCH IN THIS
SEGMENT.
AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF CONTEXT-SENSITIVE ACTIONS.
LIKE, YOU CAN PULL, YOU CAN PUSH STUFF.
BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
>> DOES THE BIRD HAVE A CALLING AS WELL?
>> THE BIRD CAN CALL OUT.
MOST OF THE ACTIONS HAVE SIMILAR ANALOGS BETWEEN THE TWO FORMS AS
MUCH AS WE'VE MANAGED TO DO THAT.
>> YEAH, THIS IS COOL.
>> SO THERE'S THIS SORT OF WEIRD KIND OF -- WE LIKE THIS WEIRD
FORMS AND SORT OF LIKE DISTURBING SHAPES AND YOU HAVE
TO KIND OF PLOW THROUGH THOSE SOMETIMES.
TO YOUR POINT EARLIER ABOUT MAYBE THIS IS A LOST
CIVILIZATION OR MAYBE SOMETHING CAME HERE BEFORE AND THERE'S
THESE HINTS TO WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED.
YOU KIND OF UNRAVEL THAT AS YOU PLAY THROUGH THE GAME.
>> NOW, FROM LIKE A REPLAYABILITY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN
THIS TITLE IS FINALLY DOSH DO YOU HAVE A RELEASE TIME FRAME?
OR ARE YOU WORKING ON IT?
>> WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND WE WANT TO FINISH IT AND WANT IT TO
BE GOOD.
>> THAT'S A GOOD PLAN, MAKE IT GOOD.
FROM A REPLAYABILITY PERSPECTIVE, WILL THERE BE
REASONS FOR PLAYERS TO COME BACK AND PLAY THIS GAME AGAIN?
>> I IMAGINE THE FIRST TIME YOU PLAY THROUGH THIS GAME IT WON'T
MAKE A TON OF SENSE.
>> OKAY.
>> ONCE YOU GET TO THE END, YOU MIGHT WANT TO PLAY IT AGAIN TO
KIND OF GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS YOU MISS THE FIRST TIME.
>> OKAY.
>> LIKE, MOST OF THE STUFF YOU'RE DOING IN THIS AREA HERE
IS ACTUALLY OPTIONAL.
LIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SET THAT BIRD FREE LIKE I JUST DID.
>> OKAY.
>> SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYBE THERE'S SOME OF THESE THINGS
THAT YOU DIDN'T MANAGE TO INTERACT WITH THE FIRST TIME
AROUND AND SEEING WHAT KIND OF CUMULATIVE EFFECT THOSE MIGHT
HAVE HAD OVER THE COURSE OF THE GAME IS SOMETHING THAT WE HOPE
PLAYERS MIGHT WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT.
>> SO IS THERE SORT OF A CAUSE AND EFFECT AS YOU PLAY THROUGH
THE GAME AND IT KIND OF BUILDS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
>> THE WHOLE GAME IS KIND OF CAUSE AND EFFECT.
>> OKAY.
>> IT'S SORT OF LIKE THIS STRANGE PLACE THAT YOU'RE
EXPLORING AND SORT OF BUY JUST YOU COMING INTO IT, SORT OF
STARTS TO FALL OUT OF BALANCE AND STARTS -- AND BIG KIND OF
CHAIN REACTIONS START TO TAKE PLACE.
>> INTERESTING.
>> AND SO IT'S NOT JUST SORT OF IN THE CRUCIAL PLOT ACTIONS THAT
YOU DO BUT IN OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
>> IT'S ALMOST LIKE SIDE QUESTS IN A WAY, SOMETHING OUTSIDE THE
MAIN STORY THAT ARE OPTIONAL BUT STILL ADD TO THE WHOLE OF THE
GAME.
>> YEAH.
>> AND TO BE TOTALLY HONEST, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT REALLY SURE
WHAT TO DO EXCEPT TO HAVE THOSE IN THE GAMES IN TERMS OF
COLLECTIBLES.
WE DON'T WANT YOU TO COLLECT STUFF.
RIGHT NOW YOU DO THEM AND THEY HAPPEN AND MAYBE THERE'S A COOL
PLOT REWARD DOWN THE LINE FROM IT.
>> INTERESTING.
NOW, ARE THERE ANY TITLES -- THIS GAME HAS GREAT MYSTIQUE.
AND CLEARLY YOU KNOW THAT AND CLEARLY YOU'RE TRYING TO
PRESERVE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I
TOTALLY APPRECIATE.
ARE THERE ANY TITLES THAT YOU PERSONALLY LOOK TO FOR
INSPIRATION TO KIND OF -- THAT DO A GOOD JOB WITH THAT LAYER OF
MYSTIQUE?
>> ONE THING WE ALWAYS LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS ANOTHER WORLD.
>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT ACTUALLY, YEAH.
>> YEAH.
IT'S JUST LIKE -- IT'S LIKE YOU'RE COMING INTO THIS ALIEN
SPACE.
>> YEAH.
>> AND IT'S UP TO YOU TO START FIGURING OUT THE RULES AND START
FIGURING OUT WHY THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG ONE FOR US.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY WHEN THAT CHILD MOVED THE BALL THAT
IT ALMOST LIKE HE BUILT HIS OWN LITTLE CITY OVER HERE.
SOME WALLS STARTED POPPING UP, LIKE DOING SOME CONTROLLING OF
THE ARCHITECTURE.
>> SO, I MEAN, YOU NOTICED THAT THIS SORT OF GOLD MATERIAL ON
THE CHILD TURNED THE BIRD INTO A CHILD.
AND IT HAS SOME EFFECTS BEYOND THAT.
>> IT AFFECTS THE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL?
>> YEAH.
>> IS THAT GOLD WEARING OFF.
IS THAT THE IDEA?
>> YEAH, SO YOU GET SORT OF DUSTED IN OR CODED IN THIS SORT
OF GOLDEN DUST AND BECAUSE YOU DON'T -- WE DON'T WANT THE
CHARACTER TO BE YELLOW ALL THE TIME, IT KIND OF RAMPS DOWN AS
YOU MOVE AWAY FROM THE GOLD PILE.
>> GOT IT.
IS THAT LIKE A KIND OF LIKE TENSION THERE?
OR, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU KEEP GOING, WILL YOU EVENTUALLY TURN
BACK INTO THE BIRD?
>> IF YOU GET TO A PLACE WHERE, LIKE, THE DUST WOULD COME OFF.
>> I SEE.
>> LIKE IN THE BEGINNING, YOU JUMP OFF OF A TALL PLACE.
SO IN DOING THAT, THE GOLD SORT OF, LIKE, FALLS OFF AND YOU TURN
BACK INTO A BIRD.
>> GOT IT.
>> WATER, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU WADE TOO DEEP INTO WATER, IT
MIGHT COME OFF.
>> OKAY.
>> SO THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS TO GET RID OF THE GOLD AND A COUPLE
WAYS TO GET IT BACK.
>> GOT IT.
IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S TWO SORT OF MAIN PHASES TO PLAYING IN
THIS GAME.
ONE IS YOU PLAY AS THE BIRD, YOU ARE SURVEYING THESE GIANT
ENVIRONMENTS, CIRCLING AROUND THEM.
WE HAVE SEEN DESERT ENVIRONMENTS BEFORE WHEN YOU GIVEN A LOOK AT
THE GAME IN THE PAST.
NOW WE'RE SEEING SOMETHING THAT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE ANCIENT RUINS
BUT WE DON'T KNOW.
>> HAS MORE OF AN URBAN FEEL.
>> YOUR BIRD AND YOU'RE SURVEYING AND LOOKING FOR POINTS
OF INTEREST.
AND THEN COMING IN AS THE CHILD TO SORT OF, AS YOU SAID, EFFECT
CHANGE TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
>> YEAH.
SO IT'S EXACTLY THAT.
IT'S LIKE YOU'VE GOT THIS -- AS A BIRD YOU HAVE THIS FREEDOM OF
MOVEMENT BUT YOU'VE GOT VERY LIMITED AGENCY.
AS A CHILD, YOU GIVE UP A LOT OF THAT FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT FOR
MORE AGENCY.
AND THE GAME ITSELF, LIKE, WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD ON TOP OF
THAT, THAT TRADE-OFF TO AN EXTENT IT'S A -- YOU CAN READ
SORT OF -- I GUESS THERE'S SOME SOCIAL METAPHORS IN THERE THAT
MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T GET INTO IT.
>> OKAY.
IT SOUNDS JUICY.
>> IT'S THE TRADE-OFF BETWEEN FREEDOM.
>> IF YOU D JUMP OFF THE LIE YOU TURN INTO A BIRD.
>> YOU WON'T DIE JUMPING OFF THE CLIFF.
ESPECIALLY AT THE BEGINNING, IT'S NOT APPARENT THAT THERE IS
HAZARD IN THE GAME.
>> INTERESTING.
>> SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE RELEASED THIS THING BY SITTING
ON IT WITH THE OTHER BIRDS.
SO WE CAME BACK AS A CHILD SO WE CAGE AND LET THE BIRD GO.
>> WHAT WOULD BE THE ADVANTAGE FOR THE PLAYER IN FREEING THESE
DIFFERENT BIRDS THAT ARE SORT OF ENTRAPPED AROUND THE
ENVIRONMENT?
>> IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR AT THIS POINT WHAT THAT MIGHT
ENTAIL.
IT DOES HAVE SOME IMPACT LATER ON IN THE STORY.
>> LIKE YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER, WHEN ALL THE BIRDS HAVE TO SIT
ON THE ONE MECHANIC TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN, THE MORE
BIRDS YOU RELEASE, THE MORE THEY ARE TO JOIN YOU AND USE THOSE
MECHANICS?
>> YEAH.
THERE'S CERTAINLY -- PART OF THE GAME BEFORE THIS INVOLVES MUCH
LARGER NUMBERS OF BIRDS AND YOU USE THAT KIND OF -- THOSE
NUMBERS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.
AND SO THE PLAYER KIND OF PROBABLY CONTINUE THAT INSTINCT
HERE IN THE CAVE.
BUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET THE SAME RESULT IS A DIFFERENT
QUESTION.
>> BEAUTIFUL GAME.
>> THANKS A LOT.
>> IT LOOKS GREAT.
>> SO WE'VE SORT OF LANDED ON THIS THING AND UNLEASHED ANOTHER
PILE OF GOLD SO WE CAN TRANSFORM AGAIN.
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL LEAD US TO THAT LARGE GOLDEN SEED THAT WE
SORT OF UNLOCKED EARLIER.
>> WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE GAME
DOES EVENTUALLY COME OUT ON PS4.
VERY EXCITED.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.
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