- If they put shoulder pads and cleats on Usain Bolt
it would be Randy Moss.
- The big reason everybody's on Trubisky is cuz he was
drafted in the same class as Mahomes and Watson.
- I know you know football, you've been watchin' the Jets all season.
- I don't know if that's football.
♪♪♪
♪♪♪
- Yo, what up? It is Simms.
- And Lefkoe.
- Appreciate you.
- One thing that we really care about
is not just talking about the NFL
but talking about things that people seem to get wrong.
- Right. - We see it all the time.
- Setting the narrative straight. - Yeah.
- Yeah. - It really upsets you.
- It does drive me crazy. - Why does it upset you so much?
- Well, because a lot of the times
the narrative is false, I'm finding out.
It's lazy homework done— - Yes. - By people in the media
where they just make a take, and I don't know
if they have any useful information to back it up.
- I'm gonna set the grains. - Yeah.
- You go against them. - OK.
- Earlier in the year and still now— - Right.
- I see people doubtin' Mitchell Trubisky.
- Ohh. - Starts off, "Oh, Seattle game
Green Bay game."
There was a notion that Mitchell Trubisky
couldn't throw left— - Yes. - For a few weeks this year.
- Right. - That was a popular notion.
What's the truth? What's the "against the grain"?
- The big reason everybody's on Trubisky more than anything
is cuz he was drafted in the same class
as Mahomes and Watson, and everybody wants that.
- It's tough. - And that's not fair.
Mahomes got drafted to a team that was a playoff team.
Watson essentially got drafted to a team
that was playoff-caliber— - Had a lot of injuries.
- But had injures to their quarterback and to other players.
- Trubisky was a true top-three-pick team.
- A top-three-pick team.
He's got talent, and he's got talent around him
and that's why I can't draw a line in the sand
and just go, "He stinks." That's not fair.
- One team that does not have talent? - Right.
- The Buffalo Bills, Sean McDermott.
- Right. - Three wins thus far.
What's Sean McDermott doing?
You almost think he should be up
for the Coach of the Year candidacy.
- He should be in the conversation
for what Sean McDermott is doing.
- Against the grain. - Yeah.
I mean, first of all, this team is not good.
The other thing is, he's a defensive expert.
They're the No. 1 defense in football.
Do you know how hard it is to be the No. 1 defense
in football when you don't have
an offense or a quarterback that can do anything?
- When your quarterbacks have been Peterman and Derek Anderson—
- Exactly. - For a majority of the season?
- And a rookie, Josh Allen.
They have no receivers on the outside. - Yeah.
- He manages the game perfectly on a weekly basis, and I know
he won't win Coach of the Year. - Yes.
- But he deserves to be in the convo.
- Can I go against the grain? - Of course you can.
- Uh, I'm seein' a lot of people right now goin'
"Oh, Mahomes is good, but Brees is the MVP.
It's really, like
it's the one thing he doesn't have in his career.
He's really earned it at this point.
Mahomes is gonna have more time."
This is not a lifetime achievement award. - Yes, exactly.
Drew Brees is not playing better than Patrick Mahomes.
Drew Brees cannot complete half the passes
Drew Brees cannot complete half the passes
that Patrick Mahomes does.
If you watch the game against the Bengals— - Sure.
- Dump-off to Kamara— - Right, screens. - Dump-off to Ingram.
- Right. - I would argue that, probably around 40 percent
of Drew Brees' yards, are screens, dump-offs
and slants that get taken to the house.
- And Drew Brees is awesome. We're not being haters.
- He's great. - But what, to me
and I think you're on the right track here
is when you're in the MVP conversation— - You're a game-changer.
- You are the person that makes the team go.
- People are hangin' off you, and you're throwing touchdowns.
- Exactly. Mahomes makes the team go.
- Yes. - Todd Gurley makes the Rams go.
- Yes, yes. - I would argue on the Saints
the O-line and the running back tandem make the team go.
- So you would put Andrus Peat in the MVP conversation?
- Well, I mean, their offensive line and their run game
and then, of course, Michael Thomas, so I can't sit
there and go, "Drew Brees is the No. 1 reason
that's making this team successful."
- Yeah. - It's a combination of things
and, of course, he's still playing really good.
- Uh, you've been noticing
a trend of me lately. - Yes.
- And we're fixing it today. - Good.
- Yeah. - Let's do that.
Hey, what's up, slugger?
Ooh. Welcome to grown-up-hood.
- See how that happened. - Whoo!
- Don't touch me. - [Laughing]
- Swag: Nate Burleson has it by the boatload.
It's flowing. - Thank you.
- He's got purposeful dirt on his jeans. - [Laughing]
- That's incredible. I've never seen that before.
He's been making fun of me lately
because every guest we have, there's an issue
with my handshakes. - Uh-huh.
- And I don't wanna show it to you.
I need your help
but I need you to see what's been happening lately.
- Let's break this down.
- Pleasure. - Likewise.
Definitely. It was fun.
- Again, check out Martellus' show.
- Again, check out Martellus' show.
- Westbrook, you're the man. - Thank you.
- Appreciate it. - You the man.
- Did you see that I went with the pound?
- Yeah, he's afraid now. - Because I was intimidated.
- He didn't know which—yeah. - No, it's just—
- He's afraid. - I've had, I've just had—
my handshakes haven't been good lately.
- Listen, first of all— - Yeah?
- You just gotta make eye contact.
- OK, OK, OK. - That's all it is.
All right? And then you gotta square your shoulders.
You know what I'm sayin'? I mean, for you.
- Yeah, yeah. - Cuz for my guy Chris
if I see him, it's like, "What's up, baby?
How you doin'? Good to see you."
You know what I'm sayin'? It's real Chris. That's all it is.
- Yes. - But like, with you, you gotta
like, square the shoulders. - Square. - I think you gotta make
a little eye contact. Not too much, cuz we're not
making out. - OK, how high am I going
with the hand? - Yeah, don't go too high.
Bring it about shoulder-high, right? - OK.
- And then you wanna make sure to look at the elbow.
You know what I'm sayin'? - Oh, you look at the elbow?
- YOU need to look at the elbow. - So I abandon eye contact—
- Just know where I'm goin' with it
cuz, I mean, if I got a little sauce
and I've known you for a while, I can come over here
and be like, "What's up, baby?"
- Ah s--t. - That's gonna throw you way off.
- I'm scared. All right, do it again.
- I'm gonna keep it right here. - Eye contact, square
and then focus on the elbow. - Yeah, yeah.
- All right, so— - Yeah.
- What's up, Lef? - Oh, what's up, man?
- How you doin'? You good? All right.
I don't need you to lick your lips like LL Cool J.
- Damn. I did do that. - [Laughing]
- All right, hold on. Say— - That was good, though.
- Good contact. Good confidence.
- Yeah. - Then what?
Because I have done this for a long time.
Because I have done this for a long time.
- I don't like that.
So listen, we come in, we come here.
Boom. - Yes.
- And then release, and it has to be straight
when we come here, though.
I saw you come here. - It was not my fault.
- Yeah, cuz you might as well
just go ahead and kiss his hand like he's royalty.
- Yes, yes. - But you know what I'm saying?
You straighten it up. Bam.
- All right. - All right.
- All right, man. I hope I see Nate today.
- Oh, there he is!
- Oh, Lefkoe. What up, man? How are you, dude?
- You did it. - No!
Listen. I was tryin' to grab it
and you slid out, and my finger popped up.
- All right. Maybe that's why I've been doing it.
- Listen. All of our fingers have to connect. These four.
- All right. Last one. Last one! - Five on five, here.
You can do it.
- I'm really nervous. - Hey, Lef.
What up, baby? - Oh, what up, man?
How are you doin'? - You good? - I'm good.
- Ohhh! - Here we go! That's it. That's it.
And listen, if you ever worry, you can always hold on
to it for a beat. You know what I'm sayin'?
- Really? - Yeah, man.
So you good? How's the fam? - Oh, that's too much. - Oh, man, good to see you, man.
- And then I just let go. - Yeah, you just let go.
Cuz, like— - Thank you.
- If you don't know whether it's gonna be a snap, pop
or an extra hit—some guys like to blow it up afterward.
You can just hold it and be like
"Yo. What's up? You good?" - I like that.
- "Hey, I appreciate you having me on the show, man.
Next time, we gotta talk some politics."
Like that. - I'm a snapper.
I'm a snapper at the end because I went to Texas.
- Yeah, of course. - Bam.
- You know what I'm saying? - I'll get to that eventually.
- That's sauce all day, damn.
- I'm sitting between, I think
- I'm sitting between, I think
the two most employed people in NFL media.
Radio shows, TV shows— - We're workin'.
- But I mean, what's it like for both of you guys?
- Once you leave the game, you realize
"All right, I gotta bust my ass
and work just as hard in my new craft."
So, like, every opportunity is like me being a rookie again
and when I was a rookie
I walked in to the Minnesota Vikings
and I'm seein' Daunte Culpepper in a Theismann fur
and I'm seein' Randy Moss swagged out with a baggy suit
and I'm like, "Damn, this is the NFL."
These dudes pullin' up in Bentleys with spinners on it.
- Yeah. - And I'm like—
- In Minnesota. - "I'm a baby. I'm a baby
and I gotta work."
Not only to make a name for myself
but to, like, get these guys' attention
and that was my goal, to get the greats' attention.
So, like, what we do now is if we gotta work one
two, three, four jobs, we want to get attentions of the masses
cuz we're still workin'.
- I do wanna jump off
of something you said a few minutes ago.
- Oh, Randy Moss? - Yeah.
- I was gonna say, you experienced young Randy Moss.
- Right. - You experienced old Randy Moss.
- Right. - The first time
I met Randy Moss, I knew immediately that
if I got an "attaboy" pat on the back from him
I've arrived as a wide receiver.
But I went about it the wrong way
because I was tryin' to get his attention
like a thirsty dude at the end of the night.
Like, I was like, "All right, as soon as I hit him
with this icebreaker, we're gonna be
best friends forever, man." - [Laughing]
And I remember one day, I was getting ready for practice
and I think it was Jermaine Dupri.
He had a music video, and he's wearin' the Marshall 88 jersey.
So I'm like in my little dorm room at training camp.
I was like, "This is it, man."
And I remember, I was doing conditioning
and I'm standing next to him, and I'm literally
like, gassin' myself up like a dude
about to walk across the bar and ask a girl for their number.
I was like, "All right, man. Come on.
Don't blow it, don't blow it."
And I was like, "Hey, uh, Randy, um." Voice was crackin'.
- Yeah. - I don't know what was goin' on. I'm a grown man.
And I was like, "Did you see the Jermaine Dupri video?
He had your jersey on, man."
And he's runnin' next to me.
He looks at me
and he just keeps on runnin'.
I was crushed! - Ohhh! - I was like, "Ugh."
Listen, I wrote a girl a note, "Do you like me, yes or no?"
in the fifth grade, and she crumpled it up
and threw it at my face.
- Oh, man. - Randy Moss hurt me more.
Like, my feelings were crushed, and I was like
"Damn, I blew it."
And then what's crazy is, like, once I started makin' plays
like, that's when he came in and was like, "All right."
Like, "I know you love the game
and I know you're one of the good ones."
and I know you're one of the good ones."
- It's funny, I think, to hear him say that
because I don't think people always realize
that football players can also be fanboys.
First time Randy Moss came on the plane
I was Row 27 by the window, and he said, "Can I sit here?"
I was like [stuttering]
"Yeah, sure, sure.
You can sit here." - Yeah, yeah.
- And, I mean, that's the way I felt
but like Nate's sayin', too
the one thing I learned from him in a hurry
is his perspective on the game was, like, amazing.
He could almost see the game almost like a quarterback. - Yeah.
- He understood offense and defense, and, you know
he understood when this play was stupid
and he wasn't gonna tell the coach
"That's a stupid play, Simms," you know, whatever it was. - Yeah.
- I mean, and I just, I really enjoyed being around him.
- I mean, and I just, I really enjoyed being around him.
- Calvin is the forgotten guy. - Yeah.
- If I'm creating a player in "Madden"
he's 6'5" running a 4.3, and his name is Calvin Johnson.
- Yeah. - But he's never mentioned
in the "Jerry Rice, T.O., Randy Moss" top three.
But I would argue he is physically as gifted
as any of them, if not more.
- No question. I mean, it's the same individual
that broke Jerry Rice's single-season record. - Yeah.
And I watched him do it. - Right.
- I watched games where he would put up a buck 90
and we go to the meeting, and after a loss
Shawn Jefferson, who's a former player
wide receiver—he was our wide receivers coach
He'd say, "Calvin, I need you to do more." - [Laughing]
And, you know, I'm thinkin' like, "Damn, what you want?
The dude go for 250?" - Seriously. - Yeah.
- And Calvin wouldn't say anything.
He was quiet.
You know, his mother, a doctor. Dad, he worked on
the railroad, so he had this blend
of blue-collar and high IQ
and that was his approach to life
and he would just nod his head and say, "All right, Coach."
Next game, go put up 300.
Now, Randy was just pure speed encapsulated.
If they put shoulder pads and cleats on Usain Bolt
and he was actually a good football player that can catch
and track the ball like no other, it would be Randy Moss. - Yeah.
- And Randy Moss had the greatest late hands ever.
Even though coaches say, "Don't panic, remember your cues
don't give anything away," like, we panic.
Like, we don't remember our cues, and we give everything away.
Like, when the ball's in the air
you start hearing your own breath, and you go from—
[Panting]
And if you're a really good DB
I know it's a small detail
but you can hear a guy breathing hard
and then you see his eyes go from here to here— - Yes.
- And that right there is a cue that something's coming.
- Right. - Randy would, like, look
and the ball would be comin', and his face doesn't move
his hands doesn't move, his breath doesn't move
and then right when it gets to him, he's like—
Velcro.
Like, that's something that you might not see ever.
- No. - I don't think so.
- And that's not something you coach. It's something that God said
"Hey, Randy, I got a little extra for you."
- Right. You the man. - That was awesome.
- Nate Burleson's the man. - He is the man.
- Nate Burleson's the man. - He is the man.
- I think we're gonna have him back again.
I really do. - Good.
- You know who else is the man?
Every person on the Rams and Chiefs roster.
It is the game of the year. It is the fourth time
since, like, 1990 that two 9-1 teams
have faced off at this point of the season.
- Yep. - How good of a game will this be?
Will this be 40-40? Will it be disappointing?
What's the Simms prediction?
- Well, you know what? In games like this
more times than not, they don't live up to the billing
or the expectations of, like, a shootout, right?
- This year's been different, though.
Rams-Saints was really good.
- I know, I know. I guess I always—
- Chiefs-Patriots was really good.
- It was extremely good.
If you made me bet, I'm going to say
we're going to get a shootout. - Whoo!
- We're gonna get a 38-35 type of football game.
But what happens a lot of times in these matchups, too
defenses try different things too
cuz they go, "Man, we can't really stop this group.
We gotta do something different."
- Which sounds awesome. - Yes.
- Sounds like 70-yard touchdowns.
- But it can also make the offense
lose their rhythm too, just goin'
"Oh, they've never played this defense versus this coverage."
But either way, I expect a ton of big-time plays
because it's good play design— - Yeah.
- And there's talent on both sides of the ball.
- And I like that both defenses take risks— - Yeah.
- Which will allow things deep. - Exactly right.
- Our question, though, for this game— - Right.
- Rams, Chiefs: Better Big Three.
I think the hardest part about this is picking your Big Three.
- Ooh! - I look at the Chiefs.
Is your Big Three Mahomes, Kareem Hunt and Hill? - Right.
- Is it Mahomes, Kareem Hunt and Kelce? - Yes, right.
- Is it Mahomes, Kelce and Hill? - Right.
Who would be your Big Three for the Chiefs?
- Who are you picking? - Oh my gosh
that's really hard.
I don't even know which—I mean, gosh.
- All right, well, I'm gonna go Goff, Gurley and Cooks.
- Cooks is for sure. - That's set.
- For sure. I mean, yes.
- Who are your Big Three for the Chiefs?
I gave you, like, six seconds there.
- Yeah, OK. I mean, it's obviously Mahomes
and Tyreek Hill. - OK. - And I'm gonna go Kareem Hunt as the third.
- I would have gone Kelce. That's an awful decision. - And I'm sorry, Travis Kelce.
You're really awesome. I know. - Of those two Big Threes
who you goin' with?
- I am gonna go with the Chiefs in a close one.
- If I had to make the argument
for the Rams, cuz I agree with you.
I would take Mahomes over anybody.
- Yep. - Mahomes.
- Yes. - Gurley is, I believe
the best of all the six players out there.
- OK. I believe you there.
- I believe that Gurley is the No. 1 pick— - Yes.
- If we're not valuing quarterbacks more.
I think he's the most special. - OK.
- He's also the guy, other than Tyreek Hill, that
when he touches the ball, I go, "What's gonna happen right now?"
- Yeah, you do that with Mahomes too.
So don't forget that. - Yeah, you're right.
So don't forget that. - Yeah, you're right.
Hi, I'm Justin Forsett
and you're watching Simms and Lefkoe.
- Guys, I'm embarrassed.
Ever since "The Dragon" left me hanging
somebody hasn't picked a game right for one, two
three weeks in a row.
That's not acceptable for somebody
that likes Lefkoe Locks.
Frankly, we're locked out. Locked out.
Sean, call a locksmith!
We are in a historic place right here, AAA Locksmiths.
You've been here in Midtown for how long, Dave?
- 80-plus years. - 80-plus years.
We're talkin' changing locks for Mickey Mantle
lead singer of KISS, who else?
Joe Montana?
- Barbra Streisand, Harry Winston.
- I'm a man of locks.
I'm a man of Lefkoe Locks
and we have lost three "Thursday Night Football"
games in a row, Dave, and I know you know football.
You've been watchin' the Jets all season.
- I don't know if that's football.
- That's a good point.
But these two teams know football
Seattle, Green Bay in Seattle
Seahawks favored by 2.5.
I hear you got a gambling guy that you asked for a tip.
What did he say?
- He says you gotta go with the road dog here.
- Who's their quarterback, Dave? - Aaron Rodgers.
- Aaron Rodgers.
So, it's 2.5 points.
Are you confident in this? - I'm quite confident.
- Are you confident enough to make it a Lefkoe Lock?
- Yes. - It's been locked.
Dave lockin' it up, takin' the Packers on the road
plus the points, 2.5.
- Dave the Rave. - Aaron Rodgers and 2.5 points
sounds pretty good.
- Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
It's "Thursday Night Football," they're on the road in Seattle
and what scares me— I'm gonna go
I'm goin' Seahawks, OK? - OK.
- I'm goin' against Dave the Rave. Sorry. Negative, Ghost Rider.
But, yeah, I think the run game of the Seahawks
against a not-so-good run defense
of the Green Bay Packers— - At home. - That scares me a little bit.
- If you take away the season opener
cuz that's not teams playing on a short week
the home teams are 7-2, the average margin of victory
for the "Thursday Night Football" games is 18 points.
They're not even games.
Simms, I'm seeing these guys complain on Twitter
the winners, like the Steelers— - Yeah.
- Saying, "I'm still not right from the last game."
- Right. - These games stink.
- They stink. - How do we fix this?
What's the issue? - OK, well, the biggest issue
first of all, is the coaching, right?
It's a Thursday game, so there's not—
The coaches lose the chance to be creative
and add new things into their game plan.
You don't get a lotta practice time.
Coaches aren't comfortable—
- I've heard a lot of coaches say
"We're just gonna keep it simple."
- Exactly. That's what they're gonna do.
- So that's why it's not a great game.
- Well, yeah, exactly right.
- Were you sore? - I was sore, certainly.
I mean, I'm a wussy quarterback, and on Thursday mornings
I woke up still sore
after starting a football game on Sunday. - Wow.
- So imagine how Bobby Wagner feels or Rashaad Penny
or any other defensive player that's had to make a lot of big, you know—
- Hits. - Contact, car crash-type hits.
- Something needs to happen. - It does.
- Very much so.
- For Simms. - Peace out, homies.
- I don't know why I'm so serious right now.
The L-E-F-K-O-E. - Man.
- I think I'm gonna go with Dave. - Yeah.
I mean, Aaron Rodgers always scares me.
- Aaron Rodgers. - Scary.
- Enjoy the games, guys.
Now, I had a friend that said I should go, "Heh!"
beforehand so that you—
it's like a downbeat of when we're gonna do it.
- "Heh." You make the noise?
- Like a "Heh!" and then go in.
Don't laugh. - Who was this friend?
We need to self-evaluate your friend.
Don't listen to him.
- Veronie! Veronie! - Don't listen to him.
- All right, so I'm gonna listen to you.
- You're not playin' Double Dutch.
You're not, like— - That's what he said!
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