NE players now are tactical changeable
so it's hard to say who will win for sure
Unlike Life, he will win when he is stronger
and he has no solution when he is the weaker one
like Lawliet, Moon,
they are the same
we can't make sure for the result, depend the tactics their use
all of them are tactical changeable
he didn't win against Moon always, he lost sometimes
he defeated by Moon with Beast Master too,
I think the win rate of him when playing against Moon is not bad
the win rates of Moon are same when playing against all the Orc
50% or 40%
I think the win rate of Moon is low when playing against Fly
this is out of doubt, Fly is really good in game theory
yes
the win rate of Moon is really low when playing against Fly
for Moon vs Lyn
Lyn is very powerful, but the win rate of Moon is not bad
so you will feel Moon is very good when playing against Orc
this is because all the NE nowadays are playing with tactical changeable
they are not playing stable (they will drop last two players)
all the NE are playing high IQ school
so the result of them is unstable
if all the NE are playing like Colorful, Life, Remind, the result will be easier to guess
GSC and WGL Month races, this kind of tournament aren't in my data
TH lost to Focus in the Month race too
argh?
Don't argh, this is true Yes, this is true
last year
have you forgotten?
there are twice in my memories (Yes)
Yes
results from this kind of tournaments isn't in my data
in my opinion, Month races are similar to platform of Netease
these are not in my data
Fly
Fly is great, the win rate of against NE and UD are really high
I think the reason for you guys is the process of the game
Fly's BM has his daily life always (BM daily life=Dead)
and these incidents give you a lot of deep impressions
if you look at the win rate, his win rate is not low
(Who?) Fly
versus who?
the win rate are similar when versus whoever, especially UD and NE, he has high win rate
but, he always lose because of BM daily life, so this make bad impressions to audiences
a lot of people judge players with impressions, not the datas
the process will make your image different
if you lose after beautiful process, the audience feel you can win even you have lost 10 games
if you lose with bad process
the audiences will feel you are noob even your win rate is 50%
UD is too few (Reading audiences chat)
BM is here to steal the Ogre Magi
UD is too few, but we have no method for that (What is he doing?)
he used two Wind Walks
he bought two Circlet only, he didn't steal the Ogre Magi
(but Lawliet didn't start with one Moon well) he is going to suppress in this opening
let's take a look for which trees that Wisps are harvesting
Wow, seems like
the Wisps have felt that BM is coming
of course, NE saw double Circlet
this opening is bad for Focus
I think Focus want to counter the opening of Lawliet that start will one Moon Well
but Lawliet start with two Moon Well in this round
and he protect his Wisp perfectly
BM isn't able to cut on them (Yes, there is no dead of Wisp, even a cut)
For Focus, it doesn't matter if BM killed two Wisps successfully
however, he got nothing here
Yes
it's really hopeless (And the level 3 creep will be robbed)
this opening is hopeless for Focus
this opening and this map
I feel it's 20% left only for Focus's win rate
the game theory in the opening looks GG to Focus
Oh, this Wisp is still alive
Right here...
NE don't have third and fourth Moon Well, so he train three more Archers (Orc don't have dust)
two more if talk properly
because BM is here, so NE isn't dare to build the Moon Well
I think is acceptable, BM isn't get nothing here
he let NE isn't dare to build the new Moon Well and train two more Archers
seems like BM didn't get anything here
in fact, BM did something in NE base (I think BM...)
(should buy a tele-staff here)
he can cancel a lot of thing if he buy it
he can creep immediately if he use tele-staff on his Grunt
he didn't play with flexible, I didn't see he did that
he is wasting his time now
like Lyn, he will buy tele-staff sometimes
yes, if he buy it, he can go cancel some buildings
then, use tele-staff to NE Gold Mine at the bottom left and creep there
I feel the Grunts were AFK now
and if he buy his tele-staff, it's similar to he rob the tele-staff from NE
you can keep your BE BS
Creep here immediately, creep here with three Archers is easy
Scroll of Beast
(Scroll of Beast) BR is going out now
it reach the Mercenary Camp
Scroll of Beast is useless generally
Lawliet is not going to suppress now
In the tournament nowadays, we can't use item to stuck the BM into the base
I didn't see any tournament allowed to do this now
Me too, even in Korea, but we can use staff on Zeppelin only in Korea tounament
AWL allowed players stuck the BM wit item? (No)
we can use staff on Zeppelin only in AWL
Stuck BM with item is more exaggerating than Staff on Zeppelin
Stuck BM with item
this skill may make the player win directly in most situation
I think Staff on Zeppelin doesn't effect too much
Staff on Zeppelin only use very few times
however, for stuck BM with item,
you can use it every time, for playing against every race
the only required thing is summon BM as first hero
you can use it to against to all of the races, NE, HU ,UD
this skill can make your BM get into the place that he isn't able be there
for example
if you surround your base with flabbier
then you can use fewer buildings to surround your base
and players can use this skill to let the BM get inside
I think this is a bug in the game, because
items are occupying some land
so, if there are more than 100 items on the land, and we can't walk through on them
if the items put together and intensive
I don't know
The items are occupying place
when you put them on the land
it's very weird
I feel this setting should be a bug
this Berserker, do Orc have Ensnare now? Orc are stucking the Berserker
Orc failed to kill he, they kill an Archer only
An Archer and a BR
Do NE have the staff now, maybe Beast Master is going to buy now? (I think this fight is good for Orc)
An Archer, a BR, and a Talons
now Focus need to go for shop control
NE can't go out from his base before the they have Cyclone
Focus make the situation better a lot to him in this fight
stuck hero with Ivory Tower
use this skill to let the hero come out from base is allowed
of course this is a bug, but this bug doesn't effect a lot
You have to use some resources to let your AM come out
yes, the first point is we use resources
Second, this action isn't offensive
this is similar to BM
uses Wind Walk to save the surrounded hero, this is allowed too, because
this action isn't offensive
I think, this kind of skills
are just Trivial matters
but BM can get into a surrounded base, he is able to end the game there
(Yes) the main problem is this action may cause GG directly
if your BM save the surrounded unit with Wild Walk
or use Ivory Tower to stuck your hero out from the base, these don't matter
just trivial matters
if BM is able to go into the place that he can't go, this may kill you
Yes
Like on TM, HU's Peasants are low in HP after they creep the Laboratory
then we surround the base, and damn, your BM come in my base
it much be WOW
that's why the tournaments ban this bug
all we said just now are bugs, the tournaments just ban the bugs that make the game imbalance
they will looks the effect of the bugs
we have so many bugs in this game
stuck hero with Ivory Tower is acceptable
of course, this will effect the situation a few times, but the possibility is so low
and this is a passive action
sometimes we have to do like this
these problems are not about property, but the severity
yes, in fact we ignore a lot of problems
we care about the severity
In fact, this is just like
lose the game purposely
Organizer only take charge of them when this action relate to money and gambling
Yes
these habits are too f**king...
sometimes, we judge the players lose the game purposely is a personal judgment
for example, if a player is really out of state today, and play with so bad, and lose the game
How do you know if he deliberately lost the game?
but, if he joins a gambling, and he buys that he will lose the game
of course we will know he loses the game purposely
even a stupid know that too
but sometimes, we don't know...
he may out of state today (this fight, NE is good in tactical formation)
and the Healing Ward is in a good position
the Healing Ward is healing so much HP,
I think Focus is too impetuous here, he shouldn't choose to fight here
just let NE keep staying in their base, why he...
but he has nothing to do now
he may expand or do something else, this choice has big problem
he will lose this fight here
maybe he saw NE don't have TP, and he want to turn over this game immediately in this fight,
let's see that do Orc have the chance to kill the DH
Focus is a honest man
DH! DH is in danger! What the hell, DH may die later, do NE have the staff?
No they didn't (No)
Speed Scroll, TC is running, NE are turning back to kill TC
TC! Seems like he alive with Healing Salve (DH dead)
Focus has earned in this fight
he killed DH just now
and BM can keep killing now
Beast Master may die too, Focus may turn back in this game (No, no, no)
I think NE earn in this fight, even DH dead
how is this possible?
Look at the supply, Orc are 49
NE are 50 too
Beast Master will die here (unless they kill Beast Master here)
here is the new Talon, I think they are not able to kill the Beast Master
Yes, they are not, so NE earned in this fight
Focus has two Healing Scroll, why didn't he use them?
I think he wasn't able to micro in time, he want to transfer the Invulnerability Potion just now
BM has be surrounded, but I don't think NE can kill this man (Yes they can't,)
(they have to run as soon as posibble)
if not the Beast Master and Tinker will die when Orc army return, then will be GG
he use the Beast Master to keep the surrounding?
huh? huh? Oh, Critical Strike
Orc have Heal Scroll, oh my, Beast Master and Tinker have to die
Lawliet can run away originally (He is dreaming)
There are many Raiders (This round is so)
transfer the Invulnerability Potion (so unaccountable)
Wow, Focus is too greedy,
he use the Ensnare on Talons
and he let them go?
Yes NE have run away
Raiders are faster than Tinker
they are buffed by TC Aura, they can chase him forcibly (let's see than is Tinker going die here)
Eh x4, NE use the staff on him
Just now, Focus was too greedy
he want to kill one more Talon
after DH revival, Orc will lose the game, in the fight just now
NE have earned unexpectedly
(sigh) Focus is so cute
he can let the hero go away just now
unexpectedly he use the Ensnare on Talons
Beast Master will die here (The talon is speechless)
Tinker is level 3, and DH...
Are NE going to buy DH in the Tavern? No
But they can, they have enough Resource for a hero
let Beast Master revive in Altar, but they need to buy DH in Tavern now.
a Wisp is going to Tavern. (Orc want to keep fighting with Heal Scroll)
Can Orc keep the Domino effect?
Orc want to keep fighting in this moment, two heroes of NE aren't here
just run away, go leveling your TC until level 5, you can't end the game here
and NE buy a hero from Tavern
if Focus can let the TC become level 5, he can win this game
he wants to kill the DH, but the Raider doesn't close enough
oh come on, don't keep doing this, you can't kill this DH
this DH is pretty tanky
DH and Raider are same in speed, you can't kill him
Altar isn't here now (He can't kill DH even he Ensnare on DH)
you don't have the Invulnerability Potion, how you kill the DH?
Go to creep as soon as possible, let your TC level 5 then you can win the game.
Lawliet wants to play until the Gold Mine collapse
right now
after Gold Mine collapse then the Orc don't have golds anymore
NE's heroes are very high in level, 4-3-3
they won't afraid even TC is level 5
I think they will afraid, but Focus wants to fight again (sigh)
just a bit, but not very afraid
two Heal Scroll here, he is going to fight now (TH sigh)
What is he doing?
now is the night time, and they are staying in home with two heroes
and NE didn't use the water a lot from Moon Well just now
I feel he is here for shop control only, he didn't want to fight now, not that fierce
he is expanding
now, Lawliet can buy Beast Master from Tavern and drink water from Moon Well, then go to take a big fight
maybe not a big fight, he may stay here, let TC have to stay and not to leveling
and stay until Gold Mine Collapsed
if he want to fight, he have to cancel the expansion
then stay here and keep the TC here, don't let him go leveling
NE bought Beast Master from Tavern, because they don't have Altar just now
for the coming fight, Focus's army is not healthy, and TC hasn't level 5 yet
so Focus can't keep this expansion
he need to give up this expansion and leveling TC to level 5
give up the expansion and creep this Mercenary Camp
but he can't train units until 60 supplies
and the experience...Eh?
Lawliet is not anxious to go to cancel the expansion
we need Boots of Quel'Thalas here
I think Robe of Magi is useful too
Seems like TC is able to creep until level 5, they haven't creep the Laboratory yet
and there are two level 3 creep left at the camp 3-3-3
TC will become level 5 if he creep with TC only
just cancel expansion after you came, this is just for delaying
they have to creep Laboratory as soon as possible and creep with TC only
I think he isn't dare to creep with TC only, his opponent is so close
Focus hesitated just now, he wanted to creep at first, but now he is going to base running
(He is afraid that Lawliet came if he go to creep) Is he going to fight now?!
(Why he choose to fight now?) I am really speechless, your TC...
and he still choose to fight on this topography?
what wrong with him?
this fight let me recall the game that you played with Fly
No, no, this topography is worse than that game
No, no, that game is worse, I am serious
Really? I think they almost the same
Why he still go to fight on that topography?
I am f**king speechless
I think he is crazy
and he is not leveling this TC now (sigh)
maybe he think he can't Wave on the target
the TC is close to level 5
and he didn't choose to creep in front of his home, but come to fight, I am really speechless
and now, he can't creep...
he can't creep anymore, NE is coming
it's terrible
but he is lucky, NE is not coming now, TC is able to creep until level 5
I think NE is waiting for the collapse of Gold Mine, the Gold Mine is going empty
and wait for the attack from the Orc
NE is not coming, and what item he get?
Is that a Greater Mana Potion?
there are two more level 3 creep, he may creep all of them and heal up his army
and Gold Mine is going empty
he used Heal Scroll just now, did he typo? (Who?)
Lawliet (Of course this is a typo)
Did I see it wrong?
Level 5 TC
but TC doesn't have great items
Clarity Potion and Mana Potion are enough (if he has great items he will be strong, like Greater Mana Potion)
TC needn't items, Clarity Potion and Mana Potion are enough
hit! hit on them! Phase Shift!
Bat Rider didn't hit in time
this Phase Shift is so good
Oh, Dragon Gods are coming (Dragon God = Faerie Dragon)
it's over, this tactical formation is too bad
and this Wave didn't make a big damage
The Walkers aren't dare to Disenchant because of the Mana Flare
Does DH have items for survive? Yes he has Invulnerability Potion
but DH is low in HP, it's ok
Seems like Orc still can fight in this formation
(Heal Scroll) DH may die here, he has been Ensnare
DH will die here
Orc will win if DH die (Orc will win if DH die)
staff! Ooooooh (Ooooooh)
hopeless
NE usee staff after Orc Wave on DH
but NE don't have the TP, and DH doesn't have the tele-staff, Tinker die!
what a big earn in this fight for Orc
Beast Master may die here too
TC has one more Wave, Beast Master will die
Beast Master will die even he use the Invulnerability Potion now
he is slower than Raider
the formation is so bad for Orc, level 5 TC is so strong (This game is so...)
(I think I can't understand this game anymore)
(my fishball...) level 5 TC is so strong
win with this formation
What wrong just now? Can someone explain to me?
DH was walking in the bad position just now, he was low in HP after a few second
he was going too deep
I think NE still have to stay at the intersection and fight with patient
Orc don't want to give any chance again, and Moon Wells are empty now.
and Orc may
not expand, Pillage is enough
the crucial reason is staff and tele-staff, DH doesn't have tele staff
DH can't return immediately
this Wave looks so normal, his Wave is not accurate
it's hard to do that
in the fight just now, Raiders was in the good position
Yes, and Walkers and Orc's Heroes were hitting on DH successfully
the Talons dead just now were killed by Raiders, what wrong with this Wave?
TC doesn't have Mana anymore [(sigh) yes]
kill DH forcibly, no they can't , this game may turn back again (Kill Beast Master x2)
Beast Master die
good, fall back now (Cyclone on TC, or BM)
keep the Orc units
it's hard to say who will win right now
buy a Heal Scroll again
kill BM (BM will die)
(TC want to transfer to items, BM die) he wants to perish together with DH
TC, Cyclone on TC, and kill BM
all of them have to die
Critical Strike? No, and DH level up, level 5
TC have to die too, this game has turned over (He has the Heal Potion)
turn over again (turn over again)
Why for again?
TBS game (TBS=Turn-based strategy)
what the hell...
It's turn over, turn over
(sigh)
Oh my god (This is)
this game is so interesting
his Wave is so Buddhist-like[1]
his Wave hit DH only
the first Wave didn't make big damage too
the first Wave hit two Talons only
this tournament is so...
I really can't understand, really, I can't understand
hi bro, let me go down to the bankrupt area
haha you are going down? (Yes)
who will you play with later?
WFZ
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