(Singing) I know my God has made the way
for me. I know my God has made the way for me.
ANNOUNCER: Today, Gloria Copeland and Billye
Brim teach us how to get ready for the supernatural
move of God that is coming. A key area is
knowing how to use your authority in the Heavenlies.
Learn more on today's Believer's Voice of Victory.
GLORIA: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Believer's
Voice of Victory. Sister Billye Brim's back with
us, and she's got some really great information
about the end times. BILLYE: Yeah, which we're
in. GLORIA: Which we happen to be in. You need to hear this.
BILLYE: And the great move of God that's coming. And Sister
Gloria-- GLORIA: Yes, ma'am. BILLYE: --you can confirm for me
and for the people that Brother Kenneth E. Hagin is a true
prophet. Is that right? GLORIA: Absolutely. Yes. I don't have
any doubt about that. BILLYE: Okay. So we did get the house to
confirm that the giver of these prophecies is a true prophet
that we know. GLORIA: Ken and I sat under him for so many years.
BILLYE: Oh, my goodness. GLORIA: Hundreds, I guess, of teachings,
and hours of his messages. BILLYE: Well, you're sitting
under him still. GLORIA: And we're preaching them now. I
mean, that's where we learned faith. BILLYE: Yeah, I know.
GLORIA: Glory to God. BILLYE: And don't you and Ken listen to
a lot of his-- GLORIA: We still do, yeah. Ken's got a telephone
full of Brother Hagin yet. BILLYE: Mm-hmm. GLORIA: (Laughs)
BILLYE: And you all listen to him every day almost. GLORIA:
Yeah. BILLYE: So that's what you should do too. You should listen
to great-- GLORIA: You don't hear--you don't hear everything
when you hear it once. BILLYE: No. GLORIA: The things of the
Spirit, you listen to over and over and over again like
messages. You just--you hear a message, you listen to it again
and again, especially if it's something that ministers to you.
BILLYE: You know, Gloria, I'm not a note taker. I don't take
notes because-- GLORIA: I can't stand not to take notes. BILLYE:
I know. But some people are note takers, some are not. But good
for--you know, different strokes for different folks. GLORIA:
Okay. BILLYE: I like to listen with my spirit. And if I'm
taking notes, I'm kind of behind, I'm kind of-- GLORIA:
Yeah, this is true. BILLYE: You know? So I'm listening. And then
I go back if I want to take a note. Oh, I might jot down, you
know, some one-liner. But then I can go back and listen. Thank
God we've got these CDs now--it used to be cassettes--and listen
and take some notes. But the first time through, I want to
listen in my heart. GLORIA: Amen. That's good. BILLYE: And I
always listen--oh, my goodness--and I hear the Spirit
of the Lord. And we've been reading prophecies that have
come, and about a great move of God that's coming just before
Jesus comes. So we've looked in the Bible for the Bible to
corroborate that fact. And yesterday, I closed with James,
but I didn't give you both verses; only gave you one. And
in order for you to see that it's a circle teaching, you'll
have to have both verses. This is going to be James 5:7-8 for
your Bible, or jot that down. Now, in Hebrew--I studied--you
know, I studied Hebrew in the Land. And in there, they have
what they call circle teaching. You begin with a point, you have
the meeting, and you end at the same point. And there's several
places--the great choice of God are circle teachings. I had that
in my book, "The Blood and the Glory." But here's one right
here. It starts with and ends with the same thought. And that
tells you it's a complete thought. GLORIA: Oh, I see,
okay. BILLYE: So look at James 5:7. "Be patient therefore,
brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman
waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth." The husbandman is
the Father. John 14 says, "My Father is the husband," the
farmer. "Behold, the husbandman," the Father, "waits
for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience
for it, until it receives the early and latter rain." GLORIA:
Mm. BILLYE: The earth is the field. It's going to produce a
precious truth. The Father's waiting for the precious fruit,
and the precious fruit is souls. Now, this big bumper crop is not
going to come in until it gets the early and the latter rain
together. GLORIA: Hmm-mm. BILLYE: Next verse, this is the
one I didn't read yesterday. "Be you also patient; establish your
hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh." GLORIA:
"Establish your heart," boy, that's a key, isn't it? BILLYE:
Isn't it? GLORIA: Yep. BILLYE: And, see, it starts with the
coming of the Lord. It ends with the coming of the Lord. So that
tells you, "Here's a clue to the coming of the Lord." And before
the coming of the Lord, earth's going to give a great big
harvest. And what's going to ripen this harvest is early and
latter rains together. Now, the Bible talks about the rains
being a type of the Spirit. And when the outpouring of the Holy
Ghost came, Peter said, "This is that which was prophesied." That
was the early rain of the Spirit, Acts 2. The latter rain
of the Spirit happened at the beginning of the 20th century.
And that was what we call the Azusa Street outpouring which
went around the world. So that's the latter rain. Early rain,
Acts 2; latter rain is Azusa Street time. But this says, just
before the coming of the Lord, you're going to get them both
together. And that's also what Joel prophesied. This is a
confirmation-- GLORIA: And both of them, each one by themselves
changed the whole earth. BILLYE: Exactly, Gloria. GLORIA: And
when you put them together, it's going to rock the world. BILLYE:
That's exactly right. GLORIA: Glory to God. BILLYE: Oh, man,
they're going to become--one of these words, if I read it,
Brother Hagin said they're going to come by the millions. GLORIA:
I don't think I've gotten that word. BILLYE: Well, I might be
on the next one we read here. GLORIA: Do read it sometime.
BILLYE: Bless the Lord. So now I'm going to read another
prophecy. Remember that we're warring a war with our
prophecies that God has given through this proven prophet,
Kenneth Hagin. This one came in 1983 at a prayer seminar. "In
this move of God, there will be--" We've already seen that
there's going to be glory, there's going to be healings,
there's going to be fire on churches, there's going to be
revelation of faith and-- GLORIA: Yep. Remember there was
a church-- BILLYE: --revelation of healing. GLORIA: --that had
a-- BILLYE: Yeah, J.C.-- GLORIA: --flame in the roof? BILLYE:
J.C.-- GLORIA: Was it Hash, or where? BILLYE: Yeah. It was J.C.
Hash. GLORIA: And the--somebody called the fire department
because they saw the flames. BILLYE: Yeah. GLORIA: It was the
Holy Ghost. BILLYE: Yeah. GLORIA: Glory to God. BILLYE:
Yeah. Called the fire department out. I've known that happen in
more places. GLORIA: Praise God. BILLYE: But he's one, for sure,
a witness that it happened in his church. GLORIA: Praise God.
BILLYE: But all those things are going to come. But now here's
something that's a manifestation I heard Brother Hagin prophesy
about. And this might be a little different for you. "There
will be a manifestation of casting out demons that you
haven't seen yet. Now, some have drawn back from casting out
demons. And the Spirit of God said, 'I began to move along
that line a few years ago,' and men aborted the move." GLORIA:
Mm. BILLYE: "They mixed some of their own thinking in on it, and
they tried to control it and do it according to pattern and
according to this way that we think it ought to be done." I
remember when that happened, Gloria. In the charismatic
move--when there's something true from God, the enemy will
try to come along and mess it up. And it got messed up. And
people--I know one of my friends said to me--we went to a
"casting out demons" meeting every week, just a few of us,
and cast the demons out of each other. And one
time--ha-ha-ha-ha--I can't remember which it was, doorknobs
or coat hangers. But this person saw--quote, unquote, "saw," that
somebody needed to be cast out the spirit of coat hangers, or
doorknobs. I don't know which it was. (Laughs) GLORIA: Billye,
you--surely, you jest. BILLYE: No. GLORIA: (Laughs) BILLYE: No,
I'm not jesting. GLORIA: Coat hangers or doorknobs. BILLYE: I
can't remember which. GLORIA: The least you could do is
remember which one it was. BILLYE: But anyway, it's best
forgotten, I'm telling you that right now. GLORIA: (Laughs)
BILLYE: So when that came along in that meeting, and I'm telling
you, it was--you know, people were coughing and sputing, and
there can be that manifestation. But you don't say you have to do
it. Anyway, now back to the prophecy. "There's going to come
a manifestation of casting out demons you haven't seen yet."
GLORIA: Hmm. BILLYE: "For demons are let loose upon the earth,
and they're going about as never before because they know their
time is short." It says that in revelation. "And so in this
multiplication, this advance of demon activity, there will be
the activity of the Holy Ghost." GLORIA: Yes, amen. BILLYE:
"Demons that have harassed men, demons that have held
ministries--" Come apart here. TOGETHER: "--in check--" BILLYE:
--will leave--oh, you have-- GLORIA: Held ministries in
check. BILLYE: In check, held ministries in check. GLORIA:
That's an interesting way to say it. BILLYE: Now, they come after
ministries, see. GLORIA: Yeah. Sure, they do. BILLYE: Sure,
they do. They will leave. And you have not seen yet what you
will see in the area of dealing with demons, casting out demons.
Now, exercising authority over demons. We're about to step into
it like you'd step through a door into another room. GLORIA:
Praise God. BILLYE: And this prophecy then talks about divine
healing, how there's going to be a move of that, "a revival of
the supernatural, not only the supernatural in casting out
demons, devils, not only the supernatural in healing the
sick, not only the supernatural in speaking with other tongues,
but the supernatural in the realm of the seen. Men will see
the glory of God." GLORIA: That's exciting, isn't it?
BILLYE: Oh, yes. I've seen a little of it-- GLORIA: I wanted
to see that. BILLYE: --but I want to see a whole bunch more.
GLORIA: Yeah. BILLYE: "A cloud will hang over congregations,"
certain congregations, "even the church building for days at a
time. And everybody that passes by, sinner and saint alike, will
say, 'What in the world is that? I've never seen anything like
that.' And there will be, in other places, fire of the Spirit
that will actually become literal. Oh, yes, in the
realm--spirit realm, some of us have seen it. In the Spirit
realm, we've been conscious of the fire of God. But the fire
will actually come into manifestation, and there'll be
people, saints as well as sinners--sinners as well as
saints that will see fire over all the heads of the people." It
happened in Acts 2. There was fire over the head of those
people. GLORIA: Tongues of fire. BILLYE: Yeah. "There'll be
people driving down the street or down the highway, and they'll
see fire on top of the buildings. And they'll come and
say, 'What does all this mean?' But you see, the Lord will use
signs of His presence to bring people in the last days into the
fullness of His Spirit." GLORIA: Signs. That's what we've always
wanted, isn't it? BILLYE: That's what they are, mm-hmm. GLORIA:
Glory to God. BILLYE: And into full salvation-- GLORIA: Full
world. BILLYE: --fullness when they see that. Mm. Miraculous
things in the realm of the Spirit. GLORIA: Praise God.
BILLYE: "But the greatest miracle of all is that there'll
be so many fish caught in the net that the nets can't hold
them." GLORIA: A boat-sinking, net-breaking load of people.
BILLYE: "There won't be church houses enough to hold them
people--" GLORIA: Praise God. BILLYE: "--for the purpose of it
all is that you may be fishers of men." GLORIA: Hallelujah. We
receive that, Lord. BILLYE: "Quit fishing in your own
bathtub." GLORIA: Ha-ha-ha. BILLYE: "There's not any fish in
your own bathtub. Go out where the fishes are and throw out the
net--" GLORIA: The highways and the byways. BILLYE: "--not the
hook, the net, and pull them in. And the glory of the Lord shall
shine, and the end shall come, and you will stand in the place.
Many will stand here in the place of ministry that you've
not stood before." GLORIA: Praise God. BILLYE: And, of
course, there were lots of ministers there when he
prophesied. And then he said, you know, we'll just not be able
to comprehend it. But God will bring it to pass. GLORIA: Won't
that be exciting? BILLYE: Hallelujah. Now, this started
out by saying there will be a manifestation of casting out
demons. I think that's already happened. To begin with, in the
understanding of the authority of the believer-- GLORIA: Mm.
BILLYE: --there's growing more and more understanding of this.
The Lord has really put it on our hearts to teach this, the
authority of the believer. GLORIA: The authority of the
believer, Billye, and I imagine you had the same experience.
When we found out the authority--that we had authority
over the devil and circumstances and sickness and disease and
poverty, it changed everything. It was like dark one day and
daylight the next. BILLYE: I know it, Glo. GLORIA: And we
still live that way. We take authority over things that
aren't right. BILLYE: We couldn't live today. GLORIA: We
found out that we had authority over the curse-- BILLYE: The
curse is it. GLORIA: --which includes all sickness, disease,
poverty, everything bad. BILLYE: Mm-hmm. GLORIA: And includes
Satan. BILLYE: Ah! GLORIA: He's the offerer of the curse.
BILLYE: Yes, and all the demons. GLORIA: You have authority over
his work. BILLYE: Yep. GLORIA: And it changed everything. I
mean, we didn't have anything, you know. But when we found that
out, we began to-- BILLYE: I imagine-- GLORIA: --take
authority over poverty. BILLYE: Sure. I imagine you found it out
from Kenneth Hagin's book, "The Believer's Authority." GLORIA:
Well, we-- BILLYE: And he was teaching it. GLORIA: And we were
living in Tulsa-- BILLYE: Yeah. GLORIA: --at that same time. We
were still in poverty when we were in Tulsa. And we--he had
meetings, you know, every year. BILLYE: Yeah. He taught on the
authority of the believer. GLORIA: So we'd go over there,
and we found out that we had authority. And that poverty had
to bite the dust. BILLYE: He taught a seminar, when you guys
would have gone to it, and then they put it in a book, "The
Believer's Authority." GLORIA: "The Believer's Authority." It's
awesome. BILLYE: And this is the--this book outsold every
book we had at Kenneth Hagin Ministries, many times over. I
don't have time to go into it, but it had to do with the fall--
GLORIA: Yes. BILLYE: --of the Berlin wall, even, and
communism. He wrote in the forward to that book, "Back in
the '40s, I asked myself the question, 'Do we have authority
that we don't know about, that we haven't discovered, that
we're not using?' I'd had little glimpses of spiritual authority
once in a while. Like others, I stumbled upon it, and I'd
exercised it without knowing what I was doing. I wondered,
'Is the Spirit of God trying to she me something?'" GLORIA: Mm.
BILLYE: "So I began to study along this line, think along
this line, feed along this line, and I began to see more and more
light. An article in the Pentecostal Evangel prompted my
study on the words 'power' and 'authority.' Then I came across
a wonderful pamphlet entitled 'The Authority of the Believer'
by John A. MacMillan," a missionary to China and the
Philippines. "As a result of my studies, I concluded that we as
a church have authority on the earth that we've never yet
realized, authority that we're not using. A few of us have
barely gotten to the edge of that authority." But, oh, listen
to this, Glo! GLORIA: I'm listening. BILLYE: It's a
prophecy. "But before Jesus comes again, there is going to
be a whole company of believers--" GLORIA: Yes, amen.
BILLYE: "--who will rise up with the authority that is theirs.
They will know what is theirs, and they will do the work that
God intended they should do." GLORIA: And we got to live to
see it. BILLYE: We're it. GLORIA: I mean, we were at the
beginning when Brother Hagin started teaching. BILLYE: We
were at the beginning when he first was getting the--himself--
GLORIA: --authority. Yeah. BILLYE: Now, I think-- GLORIA:
And we were broke, and we didn't know any better than to be sick.
And we didn't--we were not in bad health, but if we had been,
it would have been bad, really. Isn't that something, how we
just were at the right place-- BILLYE: Yeah. GLORIA: --at the
right time, all of us? BILLYE: And then he found that John A.
MacMillan book. And--well, actually, it was pamphlets. But
those pamphlets got put into a book, and I found that book
later. And this is what--John A. MacMillan is what
really--Brother Hagin studied to get the light on the subject.
GLORIA: Did you have it reprinted? BILLYE: We had it
reprinted. GLORIA: Good. BILLYE: No, yeah. We got it available.
GLORIA: I want it. BILLYE: "Authority of the Believer."
GLORIA: I don't have it. BILLYE: Now, John A. MacMillan wrote in
his preface, "The rapidly approaching end of the age is
witnessing a tremendous increase in the activity of the powers of
darkness." He lists several reasons why. We've all seen
this. We know the powers of darkness have increased. "To
meet the situation, the Church of Christ needs a new conception
of prayer. The urgent call is for men and women, wholly
yielded to the Lord, whose eyes have been enlightened to see--"
and he calls it "their ministry in the heavenlies." GLORIA:
Praise God. BILLYE: "--to which they have been called. Such
believers may, in union with the great head of the Body, exercise
an authority to which the powers of the air must give place
wherever challenged." GLORIA: Amen, that's right. Praise God.
BILLYE: Now, in his book, he begins with Ephesians, the book
of Ephesians. Remember, the book of Ephesians is the one that
tells us we're going to be a glorious Church. So the book of
Ephesians tells us, in the beginning, about the authority
that we have in our ministry in the heavenlies. All the Bible is
for the Church; not all the Bible is about the Church. Some
of the Bible is about other people. But the part of the
Bible that's about the Church are the letters, the New
Testament letters. GLORIA: Mm-hmm. BILLYE: And in this book
of Ephesians, it tells us we're going to be a glorious Church.
And in this book, there's a marvelous prayer. And that
prayer starts at Ephesians 1:17, goes on down to the 2nd chapter.
And Brother Hagin, when he was writing about this--and of
course, he read it in--in the book of MacMillan's. He told us
to pray this prayer every day and to make it personal. Put
your own name in it. GLORIA: Yeah, yeah. He did. BILLYE: And
so that's what I've been doing. Now, before we come back,
tomorrow, get your--get your Bible out and get your book of
Ephesians. And you're going to read this--this prayer which
starts at Verse 17. Now, the Bible--and this is what both
MacMillan and Brother Hagin point out. There are different
words, Greek words, that are all translated "power" in the New
Testament. There really should have been a difference in them.
And one of them is "dunamis," which is like dynamite power;
but the other one is exousia, which is-- TOGETHER: Authority.
BILLYE: And they give the example of a traffic policeman
and a corner. You know, even nowadays, we have little bitty
ladies that are traffic policemen. Let's say, you know,
they're coming out of the big-- GLORIA: You and I can be a
traffic policeman. BILLYE: Yeah, we could be. But what would it
take us to stop the traffic? It would take a uniform and a
badge. GLORIA: Yeah. BILLYE: Those little ladies, they can't
stop those big semis from coming. But if they have a
uniform and they have a badge, there's a power behind them. So
we have authority. We don't have the power-- GLORIA: That's good,
Billye. I like that. BILLYE: --to stop the devil. But we've
got something great behind us. We've got the authority--
GLORIA: That's right. BILLYE: --in the name of Jesus, in the
blood of Jesus. And tomorrow, we're going to see just exactly
how to use that authority. GLORIA: We learned to take
authority over sickness, lack of money, serious lack of money,
debt-- BILLYE: Anything the devil did! GLORIA: --used
cars--(Both Laugh)--airplanes. And it worked. BILLYE: It's
yours now. GLORIA: Amen. It'll work for anybody that'll do it.
You just have to get your--you have to find out what belongs to
you, like Billye's teaching us, and then you just take your
authority over it, and you do what the Scripture says. If it
says, "Love somebody," which it does, you love. "Yeah, but
they're hard to love." Well, that's not--that's not an issue.
You love anyway. Amen? BILLYE: Because He said so.
GLORIA: You sow, you tithe. "Well, I just don't have
enough money to tithe." That's why you don't
have enough money. Billye and I'll be back.
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