>> Rosemary: ON THIS SUNDAY
NIGHT, GETTING A FIRSTHAND LOOK
AT WHAT A CHANGE ELECTION IN
ONTARIO MIGHT BRING.
THE LAST CHANCE FOR THE MAIN
PARTY LEADERS TO CONVINCE
VOTERS.
WE'LL HAVE THE DEBATE
HIGHLIGHTS AND SET THE STAGE
FOR THE PUSH TO VOTING DAY.
PLUS, WHY ONTARIO'S DECISION
MATTERS HERE IN OTTAWA AND THE
REST OF CANADA.
>> Ian: ALSO TONIGHT, THE ON
AGAIN-OFF AGAIN SINGAPORE SUMMIT
SURE SEEMS ON AGAIN.
WHY THERE IS NEW OPTIMISM IN
WASHINGTON.
WHY SO MANY ARE STILL CALLING
FOR CAUTION.
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
>> Rosemary: WE'RE NOW LESS
THAN TWO WEEKS BEFORE ONTARIO
VOTES FOR A NEW GOVERNMENT AND
TONIGHT WITH THE CLOCK TICKING
DOWN, THE LEADERS OF THE THREE
MAIN PARTIES WENT AT IT FOR THE
FINAL TIME.
>> BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN
PAYING ATTENTION TO EVERYDAY
FOLKS AND WHAT THEY NEED.
>> ANDREA, FULL-DAY
KINDERGARTEN --
>> I'M SORRY, BUT $18 A YEAR IN
TAX BREAKS?
>> ANDREA, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT
YOUR --
>> LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE.
>> YOUR PLAN WOULD ANNIHILATE
THE MIDDLE CLASS.
>> I THINK PREMATURE FOR THE
QUESTION.
>> YOU THINK IT IS UNAFFORDABLE
--
>> Rosemary: IT SOUND ADD LOT
LIKE THAT TONIGHT.
LOTS OF DEBATE OVER EVERYTHING
FROM TAXES AND THE ECONOMY TO
ISSUES OF HONESTY AND TRUST.
NOT SURPRISING REALLY GIVEN THE
STAKES HERE.
AN ELECTORATE THAT SEEMS READY
FOR CHANGE.
AND SOME PRETTY DIFFERENT
CHOICES FROM WHAT IS THERE
ALREADY.
AS YOU SAW THE ENERGY OF THE
DEBATE WAS OFTEN PASSIONATE BUT
THERE WAS SUBSTANCE THERE AS
WELL.
WE'LL GO TO CBC'S HANNAH
THIBEDEAU -- NOPE.
WE'LL GO TO CBC NEWS POLL
ANALYST ERIC GRENIER WATCHING
THIS CLOSELY WITH ME THROUGHOUT
THE NIGHT.
YOUR THOUGHTS.
>> Reporter: IT WAS INTERESTING
TO SEE THE THREE OF THEM.
IF YOU WERE AN UNDECIDED VOTER
WATCHING THIS DEBATE YOU DID
CERTAINLY GET A STARK CONTRAST
BETWEEN THE THREE DIFFERENT
OFFERINGS THAT THE THREE
DIFFERENT PARTIES HAD.
YOU WOULD SEE KATHLEEN WYNNE
TRYING TO RISE A LITTLE BIT
ABOVE WHAT HAS BECOME A
HORWATH-FORD MATCHUP AND IT'S
HARD TO KNOW IF SHE WOULD BE
ABLE TO DO THAT IN A RACE WHERE
INCREASINGLY IT SEEMS LIKE THE
LIBERALS ARE A BIT OF A
BYSTANDER IN THIS.
FOR ANDREA HORWATH AND THE
N.D.P., WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS
IN THE FIRST DEBATE, ANDREA
HORWATH WAS A BYSTANDER BETWEEN
KATHLEEN WYNNE AND DOUG FORD
GOING AFTER EACH OTHER IN THAT
DEBATE AND SHE WAS ABLE TO
STAND BACK AND SAY YOU DON'T
NEED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THESE
TWO.
BUT SHE IT WAS FOCUS OF ATTACKS
FROM DOUG FORD AND KATHLEEN
WYNNE AND SHE WAS TRYING TO
MAKE THE CASE THAT THE DOUG
FORD CHANGE THAT HE IS OFFERING
IS TOO UNCERTAIN.
THEY DON'T HAVE A PLATFORM OUT.
THEY HAVEN'T COSTED THEIR
PROMISES.
YOU CAN'T RISK GOING TO FORD.
AND YOU ALSO CAN'T AFFORD GOING
BACK TO KATHLEEN WYNNE FOR MORE
TIME.
DOUG FORD'S MESSAGE HAS NOT
CHANGED VERY MUCH SINCE THE
BEGINNING OF THIS CAMPAIGN.
BUT THE CAMPAIGN HAS CHANGED A
LOT.
AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT HIS
MESSAGE HAS NOT EVOLVED IN THAT
WAY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF JUST
GOING AFTER KATHLEEN WYNNE
BEING THE AGENT OF CHANGE, HE
KNOW HAS TO MAKE THE CASE THAT
HE IS A BETTER OPTION FOR
CHANGE THAN ANDREA MORE VA*TSZ
AND THE NEW DEMOCRATS AND THE
RHETORIC HE TOOK AGAINST THE
N.D.P. SAYING THAT THEY WOULD
DESTROY THE ECONOMY AND THAT
BUSINESSS ARER THE FID OF THE
NEW DEMOCRATS, NOT SURE IF THAT
IS GOING TO RESONATE WHEN YOU
DO SEE THAT THE NEW DEMOCRATS
ARE DOING QUITE WELL IN THE
POLLS AND ANDREA HORWATH IS
PERSONALLY NOR POPULAR THAN
DOUG FORD.
>> Rosemary: ALTHOUGH A LOT OF
DAYS LEFT AND THIS ELECTION HAS
BEEN SURPRISING FROM THE
BEGINING TO SAY THE LEAST.
LET ME LEAVE IT ON THIS, ERIC.
DO YOU THINK ANYTHING
SUBSTANTIVE CHANGED?
>> Reporter: THE CHALLENGE FOR
DOUG FORD WAS TO HALT THE
N.D.P. MOMENTUM.
THEY HAVE BEEN GAINING IN EVERY
POLL IN THIS CAMPAIGN F. THAT
CONTINUE, THE N.D.P. WOULD GO
ON TRACK TO FORM A GOVERNMENT
BECAUSE WE SEE P.C. SUPPORT HAS
DROPPED.
NOT CLEAR THAT HE'S DONE
ANYTHING TO DENT THAT SUPPORT
THAT'S GROWING FOR THE N.D.P.
AND AT THE SAME TIME IT IS NOT
CLEAR EITHER THAT ANDREA
HORWATH DID NOT HAVE A BAD
DEBATE.
SHE WAS NOT NEARLY MAYBE AS
GOOD AS SHE MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN
THE FIRST ONE.
BUT SHE DELIVERED AT LEAST ON
THE VERY BARE MINIMUM OF WHAT
WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED IN
ORDER NOT TO GIVE VOTERS A
REASON NOT TO GET ON THAT
BANDWAGON WITH THE N.D.P.
DOUG FORD MIGHT NOT HAVE ALSO
DONE ENOUGH TO MAKE THOSE
VOTERS WHO WANT CHANGE, WHICH
WE SEE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY
OF ONTARIANS THAT HE IS THE
BETTER OPTION THAN ANDREA
HORWATH AND THE NEW DEMOCRATS.
FOR KATHLEEN WYNNE TO STOP THE
DECLINE IN SUPPORT THAT SHE HAS
BEEN SUFFERING, NOT CLEAR AS
WELL WHETHER SHE WOULD BE ABLE
TO DO THAT.
IT WAS A CHALLENGE TO BEGIN
WITH.
SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, WITH
RELATIVELY STRONG PERFORMANCE
IN THE DEBATE, SAVE SOME OF
THOSE SEATS THAT THEY'RE HOPING
THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO.
BUT IN ORDER TO TURN AROUND
WHAT HAS BEEN A REALLY ROUGH
CAMPAIGN FOR HER, I'M NOT SURE
WHAT THAT SHE DID THAT TONIGHT.
>> Rosemary: ERIC GRENIER,
ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
LOTS MORE STILL TO COME ON
TONIGHT'S "NATIONAL."
A KILLER WHALE WAS TAKEN FROM
PUGET SOUND 51 YEARS AGO.
NOW A FIRST NATION WANTS HER
BACK.
>> Ian: IT IS THE INSURANCE
CLAIM YOU MAY HAVE TROUBLE
CLAIMING.
BUT FIRST, THE NORTH KOREAN
SUMMIT.
WILL THEY OR WON'T THEY?
IT WAS ON.
THEN CALLED OFF.
NOW IT'S GREEN FOR GO AGAIN FOR
THE HISTORIC MEETING BETWEEN
THE U.S. PRESIDENT AND THE
LEADER OF NORTH KOREA.
IN FACT, PLANNING FOR THE
SUMMIT SUDDENLY KICKED INTO
HIGH GEAR TODAY.
ELLEN MAURO EXPLAINS WHY.
>> Reporter: IT SEEMED FOR A
WHILE THAT THIS WOULD BE THE
CLOSEST KIM JONG-UN WOULD GET
TO SINGAPORE.
AN IMPERSONNATOR WALKING THE
STREET, GLAD HANDING TOURISTS.
[LAUGHTER]
[CAMERAS CLICKING]
BUT THE REAL NORTH KOREAN
LEADER SEEMS MORE LIKELY TO BE
THERE, TOO.
AFTER YESTERDAY'S SURPRISE
MEETING BETWEEN KIM AND SOUTH
KOREAN PRESIDENT MOON JAE-UN TO
DISCUSS THE POSSIBLE SINGAPORE
SUMMIT WITH U.S. PRESIDENT
DONALD TRUMP.
WE HAVE AGREED, SAID MOON
TODAY, THAT THE JUNE 12 SUMMIT
SHOULD BE HELD AND THAT OUR
JOURNEY FOR THE KOREAN
PENINSULA'S DENUCLEARIZATION
AND PEACE SHOULD NOT BE HALTED.
AFTER ABRUPTLY CANCELING THE
SUMMIT ON THURSDAY, TRUMP AGAIN
SEEMS EAGER TO GET NORTH KOREA
TO THE TABLE.
>> President Trump: A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON IT.
IT'S MOVING ALONG VERY NICELY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT JUNE 12 IN
SINGAPORE.
THAT HASN'T CHANGED.
>> Reporter: AND TODAY ANOTHER
CLEAR SIGN THAT TALKS COULD
HAPPEN.
A U.S. DELEGATION ARRIVED IN
NORTH KOREA.
INCLUDING VETERAN DIPLOMAT AND
NUCLEAR NEGOTIATOR SUNG KIM.
LATER ON TWITTER, TRUMP
SEEMINGLY APPEALED TO THE NORTH
KOREANS SAYING NORTH KOREA HAS
BRILLIANT POTENTIAL AND WILL BE
A GREAT ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL
NATION ONE DAY.
KIM JONG-UN AGREES WITH ME ON
THIS.
[BAND PLAYING]
BUT THERE IS STILL SKEPTICISM
ABOUT KIM JONG-UN'S MOTIVES THE.
>> I REMAIN QUINTSED THAT HE
DOES NOT WANT TO DENUCLEARIZED.
IN FACT, HE WILL NOT
DENUCLEARIZED BUT HE WANTS TO
GIVE OFF THIS PERCEPTION THAT
HE IS AN OPEN LEADER, THAT HE
IS PEACEFUL, THAT HE IS
REASONABLE.
>> Reporter: WITH A PRESIDENT
EAGER TO SCORE A VICTORY,
THOSE FEARS MAY NOT MATTER AND
IT SEEMS THE ON AGAIN-OFF AGAIN
TALKS MAY JUST BE ON AGAIN.
ELLEN MAURO, CBC NEWS,
WASHINGTON.
>> Ian: ALSO TODAY WHITE HOUSE
LOW J*IXES TEAM LEFT FOR
SINGAPORE TO PREPARE FOR THE
SUMMIT.
IF IT DOES GO AHEAD, PEOPLE ARE
TALKSING ABOUT THREE POSSIBLE
VENUES.
THE SHANGRILA HOTEL MAY BE THE
BEST BET.
IT'S AWAY FROM THE CENTRAL CORE
AND HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE
HOSTS HIGH-SECURITY EVENTS AND
IT IS FULLY BOOKED FOR THE
SUMMIT DATE.
YOU CAN READ INTO THAT WHAT YOU
WILL.
SO IS THE MARINA SANDS RESORT,
ONE OF DONALD TRUMP'S BIGGEST
DONORS RUNS THE COMPANY THAT
OWNS IT.
AND THE THIRD POSSIBILITY IS A
MORE REMOTE ISLAND.
IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE EASIER TO
SECURE.
BUFF ITS HOTELS MAY NOT BE
LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE
EVERYONE WHO WILL BE ATTENDING.
CLOSER TO HOME NOW, MEMBERS OF
AN INDIGENOUS FIRST NATION THAT
TRACES ITS ROUTES TO SOUTHERN
BRITISH COLUMBIA ARE ON A
MISSION TO BRING BACK A KILLER
WHALE BACK TO HER HOME WATERS.
48 YEARS AGO, LAHITA WAS TAKEN
FROM PUGET SOUND.
IT IS NOW IN THE MIAMI
SEAQURIUM WHICH VOWS THAT IT
ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE.
HERE'S GRAG RASMUSSEN.
>> Reporter: THIS PROTEST
OUTSIDE THE MIAMI SEAQURIUM IS
THE LAST STOP ON A LONG JOURNEY.
IT STARTED WHEN THE LUMI FIRST
NATION IN WASHINGTON STATE
CARVED THIS POLE AND DISPLAYED
IT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
ALL PART OF A FIGHT TO RELEASE
A WHALE CAPTURED IN THE SALISH
SEA NEARLY FIVE DECADES AGO.
>> SHE'S HAD TO PERFORM TWICE A
DAY FOR HER FOOD AND SHE'S BEEN
LOCKED UP, THE SIZE OF THE TANK
TO HER IS THE EQUIVALENT OF A
PRISON CELL.
[CHEERING]
CHEER
>> Reporter: CHEF WAS ONE OF
DOZENS CAPTURED OFF BRITISH
COLUMBIA AND WASHINGTON STATE
IN THE 1960s AND 1970s.
NOW ONLY LOLITA AND ONE OTHER
CAPTURED WEST COAST ORCA ARE
LEFT ALIVE IN CAPTIVITY.
>> WE'RE JUST ASKING TO DO THE
RIGHT THING.
>> Reporter: THE LUMMI NATION
HAS AN ELABORATE PLAN TO BRING
HER HOME.
THE IDEA IS TO MOVE HER FROM
MIAMI TO AN ISLAND IN
WASHINGTON STATE SOUTH OF THE
BORDER WITH B.C.
A NET PEN WOULD BE BUILT IN A
SHELTERED COVE WHERE SHE WOULD
ONCE AGAIN SWIM IN THE OCEAN,
BE TRAINED TO HUNT AND POSSIBLY
BE RELEASED.
BUT THE OPERATORS OF THE MARINE
PARK SAY RELEASING HER COULD
ENDANGER HER LIFE.
>> REALLY THEY SHOULD BE
ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT LOLITA.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT HER BEST
INTERESTS.
THEY DON'T REALLY CARE WHETHER
SHE LIVES OR DIES.
>> Reporter: BUT THE DEBATE
REVOLVES AROUND WHAT'S BEST FOR
A WHALE THAT SPENT NEARLY 5
YEARS IN A POOL.
-- 50 YEARS IN A POOL.
>> THIS COULD BE A CRUEL AND
INHUMANE THING TO DO.
>> Reporter: THIS U.B.C.
PROFESSOR ADMIRES THE SENTIMENT
TO CORRECT PAST CRUELTIES BUT
FEARS THE KEIKO, MADE REFERENCE
BY "FREE WILLIE."
HE DIED WITHIN A YEAR OF
RELEASE.
>> SHE IS TOO OLD.
YOU WOULD DON'T THIS TO YOUR
GRANDMOTHER SO WHY WOULD YOU DO
THIS TO A WHALE?
>> Reporter: BUT THE LUMMI
AREN'T GIVING UP SAYING THEY
HAVE THE MONEY AND EXPERTISE TO
BRING LOLITA SAFELY HOME.
>> Ian: IT'S ESTIMATED THAT 60
KILLER WHALES ARE KEPT IN
CAPTIVE ADVERTISE WORLDWIDE.
27 OF THEM TAKEN FROM THE WILD.
THERE'S ONE ORCA IN CAPTIVITY
IN CANADA.
KISKA IS AT MARINELAND IN
NIAGARA FALLS, ONTARIO.
SHE WAS CAPTURED IN 1979.
NO KILLER WHALES HAVE BEEN
CAPTURED FOR DISPLAY IN NORTH
AMERICA FOR DECADES BUT THE
PRACTICE CONTINUES ELSEWHERE,
MOST NOTABLY IN RUSSIA AND
CHINA.
RUSSIA HAS FOUR ORCAS ALL
CAUGHT SINCE 2012.
CHINA HAS 15, TAKEN FROM THE
WILD UNTIL THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
>> Rosemary: IT IS THE
INSURANCE CLAIM YOU CAN'T MAKE.
THE VALUE A VEHICLE LOSES A.
A CRASH, EVEN WHEN IT HAS BEEN
REPAIRED PROPERLY.
IT IS CALLED DIMINISHED VALUE
AND HAS DRIVERS FEELING THE
IMPACT OF THE AN ACCIDENT LONG
AFTER THE CRASH WHEN THEY TRY
TO SELL THE VEHICLE.
ROSA MARCHITELLI FROM OUR "GO
PUBLIC" UNIT INVESTIGATES.
>> Reporter: AS SOON AS IT WAS
HIT, BILL BROWN KNEW HIS
5-MONTH-OLD S.U.V. WAS WORTH
THOUSANDS LESS, EVEN AFTER THE
REPAIRS WERE DONE PROPERLY.
HE ALSO KNEW OWNERS HAVE TO
DISCLOSE DAMAGE TO VEHICLES
OVER $2,000 TO POTENTIAL BUYERS.
>> $15,000 DAMAGE DONE TO THE
CAR I KNEW THAT WHEN I SOLD
THAT, I WOULD HAVE TO DISCLOSE
THAT AND IT WOULD BE WORTH LESS
THAN IF IT HAD NOT BEEN IN AN
ACCIDENT.
>> Reporter: HE TOOK THE
AT-FAULT DRIVER, IN HIS CASE,
TO SMALL CLAIM'S COURT.
TAKING ON TWO LAWYERS HIRED BY
THE DRIVER'S INSURANCE COMPANY.
INITIALLY BROWN WAS AWARDED
$6,000 IN DAMAGES FOR
DIMINISHED VALUE.
BUT ON APPEAL, THAT AWARD WAS
CUT DRAMATICALLY.
AND HE HAD TO PAY LEGAL COSTS
FOR THE OTHER SIDE.
LEAVING HIM $1,000 IN THE HOLE.
>> THESE BATTLES ARE FOUGHT AT
THE SMALL CLAIMS LEVEL.
THEY'RE NOT FOR LARGE AMOUNTS.
BUT THE AMOUNT IS NOT LARGE
ENOUGH TO WARRANT PAYING A
LAWYER.
SO, MOST CANADIANS ARE GOING TO
END UP, AS I SAID, REPRESENTING
THEMSELVES.
AND IT'S NOT A EVEN BATTLE.
>> Reporter: DRIVE DRIVERS
CAN'T GET COVERAGE FOR
DIMINISHED VALUE ANYWHERE IN
CANADA.
THAT IS NOT THE CASE IN CERTAIN
U.S. STATES WHERE INSURANCE
COMPANIES ARE REQUIRED TO PAY.
>> THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME
VEHICLE.
IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER ONE HAS
BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT, REPAIRED
TO SPEC --
>> Reporter: WE ASKED POTENTIAL
BUYER WHAT IS THEY'RE WILLING
TO PAY FOR A VEHICLE THAT HAS
BEEN IN A CRASH.
WOULD YOU PAY THE SAME AMOUNT
FOR THE ONE IN THE ACCIDENT?
>> NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
>> Reporter: WOULD YOU PAY THE
SAME AMOUNT FOR A VEHICLE THAT
HAS BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT, EVEN
IF IT WAS REPAIRED?
>> NO.
I'D WANT TO PAY LESS.
>> Reporter: CBC'S
"MARKETPLACE" LOOKED AT THIS
ISSUE SEVEN YEARS AGO.
AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED A
LITTLE.
ACCORDING TO THIS VEHICLE
APPRAISER WHO OFTEN TESTIFIES
FOR DRIVERS IN DIMINISHED VALUE
CLAIMS.
HE SAYS SOME INSURANCE
COMPANIES ARE NOW WILLING TO
NEGOTIATE SETTLEMENTS IF
DRIVERS ASK.
>> WITH THE LEGAL COSTS RISING
AND THE MORE AND MORE INCIDENTS
WITH MORE AND MORE DRIVERS, THE
INSURERS ARE INTERESTED IN THE
MOST ECONOMICAL END TO THE
SITUATION.
SO, IT BEHOOVES THEM TO
NEGOTIATE.
>> Reporter: THE PROBLEM, HE
SAYS, IS PROVING A DOLLAR
AMOUNT, EXACTLY HOW MUCH A
DRIVER WILL LOSE WHEN THEY GO
TO SELL THE CAR.
ROSA MARCHITELLI, CBC NEWS,
CALGARY.
>> Rosemary: IF YOU HAVE A
STORY FOR GO PUBLIC, CONTACT
ROSA AND THE TEAM AT
GOPUBLIC@CBC.CA.
HERE ARE THE OTHER STORIES WE
HAVE ON TAP TONIGHT.
FROM GLOBAL PARIAH TO SOCCER
MECCA.
RUSSIA PREPARES FOR NEXT
MONTHS'S WORLD CUP.
AND AMY CHUA IS THE TIGER MOM
WHO WROTE A BEST-SELLING MEMOIR
ABOUT HER TOUGH PARENTING STYLE.
NOW SHE IS DIGGING HER CLAWS
INTO U.S. POLITICS.
>> Ian: NEXT.
IRELAND COMES TO GRIPS WITH A
LANDMARK VOTE THAT WILL CHANGE
ITS ABORTION LAW.
>> YOU KNOW, IRELAND IS A
YOUNG, PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY AND
WE CAN
>> Rosemary: HERE'S SOME OTHER
STORIES WE'RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT.
THE 100TH MEMORIAL CUP IS
DECIDED TONIGHT AS THE REGINA
PATS FACE OFF AGAINST THE A XR,
ADIE BATHURST TITANS.
RIGHT NOW THE ACADIE-BATHURST
LEAD 1-0.
TROPICAL STORM ALBERTO IS
APPROACHING FLORIDA'S GULF
COAST TONIGHT.
SO FAR HEAVY RAIN SEEMS TO BE
THE WORST OF IT.
BUT THE STORM IS GAINING FORCE
WITH SUSTAINED WIND SPEEDS
APPROACHING 80 KILOMETRES PER
HOUR.
FLORIDA IS UNDER A STATE OF
EMERGENCY ALONG WITH PARTS OF
ALABAMA AND MISSISSIPPI.
NOW THIS IS A STATE OF
EMERGENCY.
YOU CAN'T DENY THAT.
ELLICOTT CITY, MARYLAND IS
COPING WITH VIOLENT FLASH
FLOODS.
TWO YEARS AGO THEY DEALT WITH A
SIMILAR DELUGE THAT LEFT TWO
PEOPLE DEAD.
AND IAN, OF COURSE WE'RE
FOLLOWING THAT BIG SHIFT THAT
HAPPENED IN IRELAND.
>> Ian: THAT'S RIGHT.
A REFERENDUM SO SIGNIFICANT IT
IS DEEMED AS A QUIET REVOLUTION.
PEOPLE VOTED BY A SIGNIFICANT
MARGIN TO THROW OUT THE
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT
MADE ABORTION ILLEGAL.
>> 100 YEARS SINCE WOMEN GAINED
THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
TODAY WE AS A PEOPLE HAVE
SPOKEN AND WE SAY THAT WE TRUST
WOMEN AND.
RESPECT WOMEN TO MAKE THEIR OWN
DECISIONS AND THEIR OWN CHOICES.
>> Ian: THE CHANGE WAS
SUPPORTED BY 66.4% OF THE
VOTERS.
THE TURNOUT WAS A RECORD HIGH
FOR AN IRISH REFERENDUM, JUST
UNDER 65%.
THIS RESULT OPENS THE DOOR NOW
TO LEGAL ABORTION IN THE FIRST
12 WEEKS OF A PREGNANCY OR
LATER IF THERE IS A RISK TO THE
MOTHER OR THE FETUS.
NOW UNDER THE OLD LAW, WOMEN
HAD -- WHO HAD AN ILLEGAL
ABORTION COULD FACE UP TO 14
YEARS IN PRISON.
ONE WOMAN TELLS OUR NAHLAH AYED
JUST HOW PROFOUNDLY SHE FEELS
THIS CHANGE.
>> AS MUCH AS THEY MIGHT NOT
LIKE THE IDEA OF IT, ABORTION
IS ALREADY HERE.
PEOPLE ARE TAKING PILLS THAT
THEY ORDER ONLINE, ALTHOUGH
IT'S AGAINST THE LAW.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN PAIN OR
DESPERATE, THEY WILL DO WHAT
THEY NEED TO DO.
WE'RE LYING.
WE'RE LYING WHEN WE SAY THAT
THIS COUNTRY IS SAFE FOR WOMEN
AND I'M CONTRIBUTING TO THAT
LIE FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE.
I HAVE TO TELL THIS STORY.
>> Reporter: BECAUSE OF WHAT
YOU HAD TO TRAVEL.
>> I'M NOT PERFECT BUT I'M AN
EVERYDAY PERSON AND IT HAPPENED
TO ME.
I NEEDED AN ABORTION.
I COULDN'T GET IT HERE.
I DID AS MUCH RESEARCH AS I
COULD AND I WENT TO THE
NETHERLANDS.
OVER AND BACK THE SAME DAY
BECAUSE I COULDN'T AFFORD TO
STAY OVER.
IT'S A DECISION I CONSIDERED
REALLY DEEPLY.
I KNEW, I KNEW IT WAS RIGHT FOR
ME.
AND SO UNFORTUNATELY SOME
PEOPLE THINK THEN THAT I'M A
PRIME TARGET FOR -- I AND WOMEN
LIKE ME, ARE PRIME TARGETS FOR
ABUSE TO CALL US MURDERERS AND
TO CALL US SLUTS IS ANOTHER
FAVORITE.
E WHY DIDN'T YOU CLOSE YOUR
LEGS?
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, SEX HAPPENS
AND CRISIS PREGNANCIES HAPPEN.
AND WE WON'T BE SHAMED FOR IT
ANYMORE.
WHEN PEOPLE SAY YOU HAVEN'T
HEARD OUT THE OTHER SIDE, I
SAID WE HEARD NOTHING BUT THE
OTHER SIDE.
THE OTHER SIDE IS OUR STATUS
QUO, IS OUR LAW.
SO, WE'VE GIVEN IT A GOOD OLD
HEARING OUT.
WE'VE LIVED IT.
>> Reporter: TOUGH MOMENT.
>> IT'S VERY HOPEFUL MOMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST -- I
REALLY LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND I
WANT THIS COUNTRY TO LOVE US.
I THINK IT DOES.
AND I JUST WANT AN ALTERNATIVE.
[CHEERING]
>> Reporter: WHAT IS GOING ON
IN YOUR HEAD RIGHT NOW?
>> IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY.
I'M SO FULL OF EMOTION.
I'M SO FULL OF GRATITUDE AND TO
EVERYONE WHO VOTED YES.
MANY OF THEM WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE
SHARED VIEWS ON ABORTION ITSELF
OR THE RIGHT TO CHOICE, BUT
THEY HAVE AT LEAST SAID THEY
WON'T MED UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE'S
DECISION-MAKING PROCESS AND
THAT IS SUCH A KIND THING A
MATURE THING AND I FEEL LIKE
IRELAND HAS REALLY TAKEN ITS
PLACE IN GROWN-UP COUNTRIES.
I'M SO GRATEFUL.
>> Reporter: WHAT DOES IT MEAN
FOR IRELAND AS A COUNTRY?
>> I THINK IT MEANS THAT, YOU
KNOW, IRELAND IS A YOUNG,
PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY AND WE CAN
BE PROUD OF THAT NOW.
[CHEERING]
>> Reporter: IT HAS BEEN YEARS
OF WOMEN LIKE YOURSELF WHO HAVE
COME OUT AND TOLD THEIR STORY.
>> YEAH.
>> Reporter: HOW MUCH DO YOU
THINK WILL RENATE ON WHAT THE
RESULT HAS BEEN TODAY?
>> I THINK THAT HAS BEEN THE
CAMPAIGN.
[CHANTING]
>> TOGETHER FOR YES!
>> Rosemary: STILL AHEAD ON
TONIGHT'S "NATIONAL," A SUNDAY
INTERVIEW.
SHE HAD A CONTROVERSIAL BEST
SELLER AND NOW SHE IS STIRRING
IT UP AGAIN WITH HER NEW BOOK
ON AMERICAN POLITICAL TRIBE.
>> Ian: BUT NEXT, HOW RUSSIA
HOPES TO SHED ITS OUTCAST IMAGE
WITH NEXT MONTH'S WORLD CUP.
>> THIS IS THEIR SHOW.
AND THEY'LL PUT ON A GREAT SHOW
HERE.
>> WELCOME.
WELCOME.
*
>> Ian: THERE IT IS.
THE FIFA WORLD CUP TROPHY
UNVEILED IN ST. PETERSBURG.
ONE OF 11 RUSSIAN CITIES
HOSTING GAMES FOR RAPIDLY
APPROACHING 2018 WORLD CUP.
RUSSIA PULLING OUT ALL THE
STOPS FOR SOCCER FANS, BOTH
THOSE CLOSE TO HOME AND THE
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS EXPECTED
TO VISIT FROM ABROAD.
OF COURSE, THESE DAYS NEWS
ABOUT RUSSIA AND THE WEST TENDS
TO BE BAD NEWS.
SPIES AND SANCTIONS AND
DIPLOMATIC EXPULSIONS, TALK OF
A NEW COLD WAR.
BUT SOCCER'S WORLD CUP BEGINS
IN SA FEW DAYS AND CHRIS
BROWN'S DISPATCH FROM MOSCOW
SHOWS US A COUNTRY MORE THAN
READY FOR SOME DIFFERENT
HEADLINES.
>> Reporter: RUSSIANS ARE
GETTING READY TO OPEN THEIR
DOORS AND WELCOME THE WORLD.
DURING THE FOUR WEEKS OF FIFA
2018, ONE MILLION FOREIGN
VISITORS ARE EXPECTED TO GET A
CLOSUP LOOK AT RUSSIA, MANY FOR
THE FIRST TIME.
THEY'LL VISIT NEW STADIUMS,
TOUR LANDMARKS AND FILL THEIR
SUITCASES UP WITH DOLLS.
THE WORLD CUP REPRESENTS A
UNIQUE MARKETING OPPORTUNITY
FOR RUSSIA.
EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN RUSSIA WAS
AWARDED THE TOURNAMENT, IT WAS
BEFORE THE OLYMPIC DOPING
SCANDAL, BEFORE THE TAKEOVER OF
CRIMEA AND SUCCESSIVE ROUNDS OF
ECONOMIC SANCTIONS.
IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW THEN
JUST HOW BAD RELATIONS WITH THE
WEST WOULD GET.
BUT PRAKTCLI EVERY TICKET HAS
BEEN SOLD AND MOST RUSSIANS NOW
HOPE TOURISTS LEAVE WITH A
BETTER IMPRESSION.
YULIA AND ALEXEI PLAN TO DO
THEIR PART TO SHOW RUSSIA'S
NICE SIDE.
>> [SPEAKING RUSSIAN].
>> Interpreter: I THINK FOREIGN
VISITORS WILL SEE THAT RUSSIA
IS NOT A HOSTILE STATE.
WE'RE POWERFUL AND WE'RE ALSO
FRIENDS.
WE'RE OPEN TO EVERYONE AND
WE'RE FRIENDLY.
>> WELCOME, EVERYBODY.
WELCOME.
>> WELCOME TO RUSSIA.
[LAUGHTER]
>> [SPEAKING RUSSIAN].
>> Reporter: WHERE AS THE SOCHI
OLYMPICS IN 2014 WERE FOCUSED
ON A SINGLE CITY, THE WORLD CUP
SPANS 11.
12 STADIUMS WERE EITHER BUILT
FROM SASKATCHEWAN OR HEAVILY
RENOVATED.
BUT THE TOTAL BILL LIKELY TO
FAR EXCEED THE PROJECTED $11
BILLION BUDGET.
>> THIS IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT
TO THEM, I THINK, THAN THE
OLYMPICS.
THIS IS THEIR SHOW.
AND THEY'LL PUT ON A GREAT SHOW
HERE.
>> Reporter: DOUG STEELE OF
HALIFAX HAS CALLED MOSCOW HOME
FOR 24 YEARS.
HE'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE
BEST-KNOWN CANADIANS IN THE
CITY.
>> THE OWNER OF THE BAR IS A
CANADIAN, DOUG STEELE.
>> Reporter: THANKS TO THE
POPULARITY OF HIS MANY BARS AND
RESTAURANTS OVER THE YEARS.
HE PREDICTS VISITORS WILL BE
SURPRISED THAT WHAT THEY SEE OF
RUSSIA DOESN'T SQUARE WITH THE
NEGATIVE HEADLINES.
>> EVERYONE COMES HERE AND
THEY'RE SORT OF APPREHENSIVE OF
WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET.
AND EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE
LEAVING WITH THIS OH, NOT WHAT
I THOUGHT.
FOR ME IT IS INFINITELY BETTER
OFF THAN IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.
MUCH, MUCH BETTER OFF.
MUCH BETTER OFF.
AND ANYBODY THAT SAYS
DIFFERENTLY I THINK IS PROBABLY
A LITTLE WRONG.
WHY SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT,
IT'S THE GOVERNMENT.
WHY SUPPORT THE CANADIAN
GOVERNMENTSIT?
'S THE GOVERNMENT.
BUT THE COUNTRY, I THINK THE
COUNTRY IS GREAT.
>> Reporter: MOSCOW'S FAMOUSLY
BEAUTIFUL AND EFFICIENT METRO
SYSTEM HAS TAKEN THE LEAD ON
TRYING TO ROLL OUT THE WELCOME
MAT TO VISITORS.
IT'S ADDED ENGLISH ANNOUNCEMENT
ON THE TRAINS AND REPRINTED
ALMOST 31,000 SIGNS SO THAT
THERE IS NOW ENGLISH ALONG WITH
THE RUSSIAN.
>> THERE A CASH MACHINE IN THE
STATION?
>> YES, THERE IS.
>> WHERE IS IT?
>> Reporter: IT'S ALSO TRAINING
HUNDREDS OF TICKET CLERKS AND
OTHER WORKERS ON HOW TO BE MORE
HELPFUL TO ENGLISH-SPEAKING
VISITORS.
>> YOU NEED TO CROSS THE STREET.
>> Reporter: WE DROPED IN ON A
LANGUAGE CLASS WITH THIS
LANGUAGE TEACHER.
>> THERE A BIKE RENTAL STATION
ON THE MAP?
>> YES.
>> HOW CAN I GET THERE FROM THE
METRO?
>> GO -- GO STRAIGHT THERE FROM
THE METRO, THEN TURN LEFT.
>> MY STUDENTS USUALLY SAY THAT
PASSENGERS, THEY ARE SURPRISED.
WHEN BOOKING CLERKS CAN EXPLAIN
MORE THAN JUST PRICES.
>> Reporter: RUSSIA'S TV ONE,
THE LOCAL RIGHTS HOLDER, HAS
BEEN HYPING THE TOURISM
BENEFITS OF THE TOURNAMENT FOR
MONTHS.
IRONICALLY, THE LARGEST GROUP
OF FOREIGN TICKETHOLDERS WILL
BE FROM COUNTRIES WHOSE TEAMS
DIDN'T QUALIFY.
CHINA AND THE UNITED STATES.
>> LET ME HELP YOU.
>> Reporter: THIS METRO WORKER
SAYS THE ENORMOUS COST OF
HOSTING FIFA WILL BE WORTH IT
IF PEOPLE HAVE A GOOD TIME.
>> CITIES COMPETE WITH EACH
OTHER TO IMPRESS AND ATRACT
MORE GUESTS.
SO WE TAKE REAL PART IN THIS
PROCESS.
>> [SPEAKING RUSSIAN].
>> Reporter: STILL, POLITICS
WILL NEVER BE FAR FROM THE
FUTBOL PITCH.
PRESIDENT VLADAMIR PUTIN HAS
HIS FAN I.D. AND IS NOW DOUBT
HOPING THE SPECTACLE WILL
DEMONSTRATE RUSSIA'S GREATNESS
TO THE WORLD.
[SHOUTING]
WHILE DETRACTORS NOTE HIS
GOVERNMENT HAS CONVENIENTLY
JAILED RUSSIA'S LEADING
OPPOSITION FIGURE, ALEXEI
NAVALNY FOR THE DURATION OF THE
COMPETITION.
>> PUTIN IS GOING TO USE THE
[INAUDIBLE].
>> YES.
I THINK THAT COMPARISON WITH
1936 IS CERTAINLY RIGHT.
>> Reporter: DOUG STEELE, THE
CANADIAN EXPAT, SAYS YOU CAN
ENJOY RUSSIA WITHOUT AGREEING
WITH ITS GOVERNMENT.
>> THIS IS NOT HITLER'S STATE.
THIS IS NOT -- THIS IS NONE OF
THAT STUFF AT ALL.
AND I THINK THAT IS WRONG.
I THINK THAT IS UNFAIR.
DON'T GET CAUGHT UP ON WHO RUNS
IT.
DON'T GET CAUGHT UP ON THAT.
PEOPLE GO TO VIETNAM.
ARE THEY CAUGHT UP IN THE FACT
THAT THERE IS STILL A COMMUNIST
GOVERNMENT?
THEY DON'T THINK ABOUT IT.
THEY JUST THINK IT IS ANOTHER
EXTENSION OF THAILAND OR
SOMETHING.
COME IN AND ENJOY THE PEOPLE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
>> Reporter: FIFA MAY NOT DO
MUCH TO IMPROVE RELATIONS
BETWEEN GOVERNMENTS, BUT
RUSSIANS ARE HOPING ITS CAN
BUILD BETTER RELATIONSHIPS WITH
THOSE WHO VISIT HERE.
>> ONE TICKET.
NO PROBLEM.
>> Reporter: CHRIS BROWN, CBC
NEWS, MOSCOW.
>> Ian: NOW CHRIS MENTIONED
THAT MOST OF THE TICKET
PURCHASES ARE COMING FROM
COUNTRIES THAT DIDN'T EVEN
QUALIFY FOR THE WORLD CUP
FINALS.
THAT IS ONE SURPRISE IN A
TOURNAMENT THAT HAS ALREADY
SEEN A FEW.
FIRST OF ALL, ITALY DIDN'T EVEN
QUALIFY FOR THE FINALS.
THE FIRST TIME IT DIDN'T MAKE
THE CUT IN 60 YEARS.
ANOTHER WORLD CUP POWERHOUSE,
THE NETHERLANDS, ALSO FAILED TO
QUALIFY.
MEANWHILE, SOME SELDOM-SEEN
TEAMS WILL BE IN RUSSIA THIS
TIME.
EGYPT MADE IT FOR THE FIRST
TIME SINCE 1990 WHILE PERU
HASN'T QUALIFIED SINCE 1982.
THOUGH ITS PROBLEM NOW, A
CAPTAIN BANNED FOR DOPING.
AND THEN THERE IS ICELAND.
THIS IS THE COUNTRY'S FIRST
WORLD CUP FINAL WITH A
POPULATION OF JUST OVER 300,000
IT IS THE SMALLEST COUNTRY EVER
TO MAKE IT.
>> Rosemary: UP NEXT, THE
SUNDAY INTERVIEW.
YALE PROFESSOR AMY CHUA IS
BETTER KNOWN AS THE TIGER MOM,
THE POLITICAL TRIBE NOW SHE IS
WRITING ABOUT.
>> THEY VIEW THE OTHER SIDE AS
ACTUALLY NOT JUST PEOPLE AS
THEY DISAGREE WITH, BUT AS
IMMORAL, WORST PEOPLE, EVIL
PEOPLE.
BOTH SIDES ARE WAY
>> IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY PULL
PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR GROUPS AND
HAVE THEM INTERACT AS HUMAN
BEINGS, IT IS UNBELIEVABLE THE
PROGRESS.
NOW I DON'T JUST MEAN EXPOSURE.
I MEAN ACTUALLY INTERACTING --
>> Rosemary: SIT AT A TABLE.
GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER.
>> YEAH.
>> Rosemary: THE AMERICAN
ACADEMIC, LAWYER AND
BEST-SELLING AUTHOR AMY CHUA ON
THE ISSUE OF POLITICAL
TRIBALISM.
REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, BARELY
ABLE TO SEE EACH OTHER AS EQUAL
HAOUBS, LET ALONE AMERICANS ARE
SHARED DREAMS.
SHE HAS A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THE
PROBLEM AND POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS.
FOR THE SUNDAY INTERVIEW,
HERE'S AMY CHUA.
[CHANTING]
[SHOUTING]
>> GO HOME!
GO HOME!
[SHOUTING]
>> YOU'RE THE FASCIST!
[SHOUTING]
>> Rosemary: BY NOW THESE
SIGHTS AND SOUNDS ARE FAMILIAR.
AMERICA, PERHAPS MORE DIVIDE
THAN EVER.
>> KILL TRUMP!
KILL OUR PEOPLE!
HAIL VICTORY!
>> Rosemary: THE 2016 CAMPAIGN
VICTORY EXPOSED CONTEMPT
AMONGST THOSE WHO FELT UNHEARD.
>> President Trump: WE HAVE BAD
HOMBRES HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO
GET THEM OUT.
>> Rosemary: DONALD TRUMP
TAPPED INTO THAT AND IT
INSPIRED PASSIONED ATTACKS
AGAINST HIM AND UNFLINCHING
LOYALTY.
BUT WHY AND HOW DID THE UNITED
STATES BECOME SO DEEPLY
POLARIZED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
POLITICAL SPECTRUM?
YALE LAW SCHOOL PROFESSOR AMY
CHUA HAS WRITTEN TWO BOOKS
ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY AND IS NO
STRANGER TO AMERICA'S CULTURE
WARS.
>> AMY CHUA IS GIVING US A BAD
NAME LIKE WE'RE ALL HARSH
DRAGON MOMS.
>> Rosemary: IN 2011, HER
MEMOIR MADE HER A HOUSEHOLD
NAME.
>> BASICALLY DOESN'T LET HER
KIDS HAVE ANY FUN.
>> IT'S LIKE STRIVING FOR
EXCELLENCE IS A BAD MOM.
>> SHE'S BEEN HEADLINED THE
WORST MOM IN THE WORLD.
>> Rosemary: AND IT PROVOKED
OUTRAGE AND DEATH THREATS.
NOW CHUA IS BACK TO HER FOREIGN
POLICY ROOTS.
HER NEW BOOK "POLITICAL
TRIBES," GROUP INSTINCT AND
FATE OF NATIONS EXPLORES THE
ROOTS OF THE DIVISIONS WE'RE
SEEING TODAY AND WHAT IT MEANS
TO AMERICA AND THE WORLD.
I SPOKE TO HER RECENTLY IN
TORONTO.
LET'S START WITH WHAT POLITICAL
TRIBALISM MEANS.
HOW ARE YOU DEFINING IT?
>> SO, HUMAN BEINGS ARE
BASICALLY TRIBAL ANIMALS.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED BELONG TO
GROUPS AND ONCE WE CONNECT WITH
A GROUP, OUR TENDENCY IS TO
WANT TO CLING TO IT AND TO
DEFEND IT AND TO THINK IT'S
BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER GROUP.
AND THAT IS NOT ALWAYS BAD.
YOU KNOW, FAMILY CAN BE VERY
TRIBALISTIC AND SPORTS VERY
TRIBAL.
THE PROBLEM IS WHEN TRIBALISM
TAKES OVER A POLITICAL SYSTEM.
THAT'S DANGEROUS BECAUSE THEN
YOU START TO SEE EVERYTHING
THROUGH THE LENS OF YOUR OWN
TRIBE.
>> Rosemary: HOW DOES IT
DIFFER, THOUGH, FROM A
POLITICAL PARTY?
YOU ARE A TWO-PARTY SYSTEM
BASICALLY IN THE UNITED STATES.
HOW DOES IT DIFFER FROM A
POLITICAL SYSTEM?
ARE THERE PARTS WITHIN IT?
>> IT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
IN THE UNITED STATES, THE
REPUBLICANS AND THE DEMOCRATS,
THERE USED TO BE MUCH, MUCH
MORE OVERLAP BETWEEN THE TWO OF
THEM AND THERE WAS MUCH MORE
FLUIDITY BETWEEN THESE TWO
GROUPS.
NOW PEOPLE SAY REPUBLICANS SAY
THEY DON'T WANT THEIR CHILD TO
MARRY A MEMBER OF THE OTHER
POLITICAL PARTY.
TUDS SHOW THAT PEOPLE FROM,
SAY, THE DEMOCRATS THEY NOW
VIEW THE OTHER SIDE AS ACTUALLY
NOT JUST PEOPLE THAT THEY
DISAGREE WITH, BUT AS IMMORAL.
WORST PEOPLE.
EVIL PEOPLE.
NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE MOST
RECENT PEW FOUNDATION STUDY,
YOU SEE THAT BOTH SIDES ARE WAY
MORE EXTREME.
>> Rosemary: SO, DID DONALD
TRUMP SEE THAT?
SEE TRIBES AND TAP INTO IT?
IN A WAY THAT MAYBE OTHER
CANDIDATES, OTHER POLITICIANS
DID NOT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
DONALD TRUMP IS A MASTER
POLITICAL TRIBALIST.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T
UNDERSTAND THIS.
THEY SAY WHAT HAPPENED?
WHY CAN'T THE WHITE WORKING
CLASS SEE THAT DONALD TRUMP IS
A BILLIONAIRE.
HE IS NOTHING LIKE THEM.
BUT FROM THE VIEW OF POLITICAL
TRIBALISM, IT'S ACTUALLY VERY
CLEAR.
DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE A MUCH
BETTER JOB THAN ANY OTHER
CANDIDATE AT PORTRAYING HIMSELF
AS A MEMBER OF THE SAME
CULTURAL TRIBE AS AMERICA'S
LIGHT WORKING CLASS.
THE SPORTS HE WATCHES.
YOU KNOW, NASCAR AND WORLDWIDE
WRESTLING.
HE STUFFS HIMSELF ON McDONALD'S.
YOU KNOW, NOT VEGAN, HEALTH
FOOD.
SO, I THINK THAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE I KNOW ON THE COAST,
MULTICULTURAL AND WE THINK OF
OURSELVES AS TOLERANT.
EVERY TIME HE SAYS SOMETHING,
THE FEELING IS NOW THIS IS
GOING TO BRING HIM DOWN.
SO MYSOGINIST, SO RACIST.
BUT, IN FACT, FROM THE POINT OF
VIEW OF A LOT OF WORKING CLASS
AMERICANS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
COUNTRY, THEY JUST IDENTIFY.
THEY'RE ALWAYS GETTING CALLED
OUT LIKE THAT.
>> Rosemary: YOU TALKED ABOUT
ETHNONATIONALISM LIGHT IN THE
BOOK, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
EXCEPT I WONDERED IF THERE
WASN'T THE -- A DANGER OF IT
TIPING INTO A DARKER PLACE.
>> SO NOW FOR THE FIRST TIME IN
U.S. HISTORY, WHITES ARE ON THE
VERGE OF LOSING THEIR MAJORITY
STATUS.
THE PREDICTIONS ARE USUALLY BY
ABOUT 2044.
SO THE RESULT OF THAT IS IT'S
NOT JUST MINORITIES WHO ARE
THREATENED IN THE UNITED
STATES, WHITES STILL THREATEN,
TOO.
SO, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN GROUPS
BECOME THREATENED, THEY FEAR
THAT THEY'RE LOSING THEIR
DOMINANCE.
AS A RESULT OF THIS, YOU SEE IN
AMERICA A LOT OF HARSH RHETORIC
THAT I'M CRITICAL ABOUT ON THE
RIGHT AND THE LEFT.
OBVIOUSLY EASY CASE.
WHITE SUPREMACIST, RACIST,
HORRIBLE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK IT'S
VERY DANGEROUS FOR
PROGRESSIVES, THE LEFT, TO THEN
ACCUSE ALL 60 MILLION PEOPLE
WHO VOTED FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP
AS BEING A WHITE SUPREMACIST
AND RACIST.
>> Rosemary: WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT AMERICA AS A SUPER GROUP,
THAT'S SORT OF WHAT YOU SHOULD
BE CONTINUING TO STRIVE FOR.
THAT IS WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE IT
TO STAY.
IS THAT FAIR TO SAY?
WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF THAT?
>> TO BE A SUPERGROUP FIRST,
YOU NEED TO HAVE A VERY STRONG
OVERARCHING COLLECTIVE IDENTITY.
YOU KNOW, AMERICAN.
THAT IS THE FIRST REQUIREMENT.
BUT SECONDLY, TO BE A
SUPERGROUP, YOU HAVE TO ALLOW
INDIVIDUAL SUBGROUP IDENTITIES
TO FLOURISH.
AND CANADA HAS THIS.
YOU'RE THE MOSAIC COUNTRY.
BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE BOTH.
SO THE IDEA AT ITS BEST, A
SUPERGROUP IS A COUNTRY WHERE I
CAN BE I'M IRISH AMERICAN, I'M
LYBIAN AMERICAN, I'M KOREAN
AMERICAN AND YET INTENSITY
PATRIOTIC AT THE SAME TIME.
>> Rosemary: AMERICA PROMOTES
THE IDEA OF THE MELTING POT AND
CANADA PROMOTES
MULTICULTURALISM.
DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS LESS
A THREAT OF TRIBALISM,
TRIBALIST POLITICS IN CANADA
BECAUSE OF THAT?
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TRYING TO
PUSH PEOPLE -- LIKE I WOULD
ARGUE THAT WE'RE OPENLY PROUD.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Rosemary: DO YOU THINK THERE
IS A DIFFERENCE THERE?
>> YOU PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE
MOST IMPORTANT POINT OF THE
BOOK N. THIS SENT, YES, AMERICA
NEEDS TO LEARN FROM CANADA.
BUT I WOULD PUT IT DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK THAT WE ALWAYS
EXAGGERATE THE EXTENT TO WHICH
THE MELTING POT METAPHOR REALLY
APPLIED.
BECAUSE THAT APPLIED TO A UL OF
THE MOSTLY WHITE EUROPEAN
IMMIGRANTS.
SO, ABSOLUTELY, WE HAD
EXCEPTIONAL ASSIMILATION WITH
THE GERMANS, THE POLS,
HUNGARIANS AND ITALIANS.
BUT REMEMBER WE ALWAYS HAD A
VERY LARGE AFRICAN AMERICAN
POPULATION THAT ABSOLUTELY WAS
NOT PART OF THIS GREAT MELTING
POT.
NATIVE AMERICANS WHO WE
EXTINGUISHED.
SO, I THINK THAT THE MOSAIC
METAPHOR IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
THE SUPERGROUP CONCEPT ALLOWS
BOTH.
YOU ALLOW THESE INDIVIDUAL
IDENTITIS TO FLOURISH.
SOME MAY ASSIMILATE OVER TIME,
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
BUT HERE'S WHERE I WOULD PUSH
BACK.
I THINK THAT OVERARCHING
NATIONAL IDENTITY IS VERY
IMPORTANT AND I'VE HEARD THIS
WHERE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT CANADA
SOMETIMES.
>> Rosemary: YEAH.
NOT AS PATRIOTIC.
YEAH.
YEAH.
>> OR IS THERE THE SAME KIND OF
GLUE?
AND IN THE UNITED STATES, IT'S
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT.
BECAUSE WE HAVE MANY MORE
IMMIGRANTS IN TERMS OF RAW
NUMBERS THAN YOU DO.
>> Rosemary: LET'S END IT ON
THIS.
I THINK YOU DESCRIBED YOURSELF
AS AN OPTIMISM, IN SPITE OF ALL
OF THIS.
HOW DO YOU MOVE FORWARD, THEN,
WHEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A
COUNTRY THAT IS DIVIDED INTO
POLITICAL TRIBES, INCREASINGLY
ISOLATING THEMSELVES.
>> IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY PULL
PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR GROUPS, AND
HAVE THEM INTERACT AS HUMAN
BEINGS, IT IS UNBELIEVABLE THE
T PROGRESS.
I DON'T JUST MEAN EXPOSURE.
I MEAN INTERACTING --
>> Rosemary: SITTING AT A TAKE
AND GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER.
>> AND THE TWO AMAZING EXAMPLES
I GIVE, ONE IS THE INTEGRATION
OF THE U.S. MILITARY IN THE
1950s AND THE OTHER EXAMPLE IS
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
THE ATTITUDES TOWARD SAME-SEX
MARRIAGE CHANGED SO
DRAMATICALLY IN JUST 30 YEARS.
30 YEARS AGO, 90% OF AMERICANS
WERE OPPOSED AND NOW ABOUT 65%
ARE IN FAVOR.
WHY?
BECAUSE PEOPLE STARTED TO LEARN
THAT THIS FACELESS GROUP OF
PEOPLE WHO WANTED -- SO IT'S
LIKE OH, MY GOSH.
IT'S MY COUSIN.
IT'S MY SON.
IT'S MY NEIGHBOR.
IT'S MY COLLEAGUE.
AND ONCE YOU HUMANIZE THAT,
IT'S AMAZING.
SO WARMTH CAN CHANGE.
BUT TO DO, THAT YOU HAVE TO GET
OUT OF THE TRIBAL MINDSET.
>> Rosemary: AMY, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING
ME.
>> Rosemary: IF THE IDEA OF
TRIBALISM IN U.S. POLITICS
RESONATE, CONSIDER THIS --
DONALD TRUMP RECENTLY THINK
HIGHEST APPROVAL RATINGS IN
MORE THAN A YEAR, POLLING
AROUND THE MID 40s.
BREAK IT DOWN BY 40, ITST AND
IT'S STARK.
ABOUT 90% OF DEMOCRATS
DISAPPROVE OF HIM AND 80% OF
SELF-IDENTIFIED REPUBLICANS
BACK HIM.
FOR TRUMP, THAT REPUBLICAN
SUPPORT MATTERS MORE BY THE
MONTH.
>> DO WE LOVE HILLARY CLINTON
SGLU.
[CHEERING]
[APPLAUSE]
>> Rosemary: ACROSS THE U.S.,
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE
HOLDING PRIMARIES AHEAD OF THIS
YEAR'S PIVOTAL MIDTERM
ELECTIONS.
>> PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I KNOW
THAT INDIANA WILL DELIVER IN
2018.
>> Rosemary: THE STAKES FOR
DONALD TRUMP ARE HIGH, KEEPING
AHOLD OF CONGRESS WILL HELP HIM
PUSH THROUGH HIS AGENDA FOR THE
NEXT TWO YEARS.
>> President Trump: LOOK AT ALL
THOSE BEAUTIFUL RED HATS.
THOSE BEAUTIFUL RED HATS.
>> Rosemary: BUT IT'S MORE THAN
THAT.
INVESTIGATIONS HAVE BEEN
CLOSING IN ON TRUMP CAMPAIGN
PATIENTS AND ASSOCIATES,
PROBING AMONG OTHER THINGS,
LINKS TO RUSSIAN EFFORTS TO
MEDDLE IN U.S. DEMOCRACY.
IF REPUBLICANS LOSE BIG IN THE
MIDTERMS, A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS
COULD TURN UP THE HEAT EVEN
FURTHER.
THAT'S WHY TRUMP IS OUT IN
PLACES LIKE INDIANA TO RALLY
SUPPORT FOR LOCAL CANDIDATES.
>> President Trump: BUT IT CAN
ALSO DISAPPEAR IF YOU PUT FOOLS
AND IF YOU PUT THE WRONG PEOPLE
IN.
>> Reporter: WHEN IT COMES TO
THE STRUGGLELES AND SCANDALS IN
WASHINGTON, TRUMP VOTERS MAY
NOT KNOW FOR SURE WHAT IS GOING
ON.
BUT MANY KNOW WHAT SIDE THEY'RE
ON.
>> EVERYBODY IS TALK ABOUT
RUSSIA AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHY.
I REALLY DON'T.
>> YOU'RE STILL GOING TO VOTE
FOR 'EM.
>> SURE.
SURE.
>> Reporter: WHY IS THAT?
>> BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, I'M
GOING TO PLAY THE PARTY SIDE.
>> Reporter: LOYALTY TO THE
PARTY SIDE WILL HELP TRUMP.
BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT FUELS
THE DEMOCRATIC ENTHUSIASM THAT
THREATENS HIM.
>> Ian: ALL OF THIS WAS SO
INTERESTING AND I THINK THERE
ARE A LOT OF CANADIANS WHO
STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND THE
TRUMP PHENOMENON.
AFTER READING THE BOOK, AFTER
YOUR ENTIRE CONVERSATION WITH
HER, DID YOU UNDERSTAND IT
BETTER?
>> Rosemary: WELL, I MEAN, I
THINK YOU WOULD AGREE, IAN MOST
PEOPLE WOULD AGREE, TOO, IN THE
UNITED STATES IT'S MUCH EASIER
TO PICK A SET OF MEDIA
ORGANIZATIONS AND JUST LOOK AT
THEM AND JUST READ THEM.
RIGHT?
AND THEN NEVER SEE THE SORT OF
OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY AND
THAT IS AT LEAST PART OF IT, AS
SHE POINTED OUT, THAT PEOPLE GO
INTO THEIR LITTLE GROUPS AND
THEY JUST STAY THERE.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY
INTERACT OR EXCHANGE IDEAS AND
BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY JUST
REMAIN SORT OF ENTRENCHED IN
THEIR THOUGHTS.
IT'S INTERESTING.
SHE HAS LOTS OF THOUGHTS ABOUT
HOW THAT INFLUENCES AMERICAN
FOREIGN POLICY AND SEEING SOME
OF THAT WITH DONALD TRUMP RIGHT
NOW, TOO.
DEFINITELY A GOOD READ.
EVEN IF IT'S AS SHE SAID, MAYBE
NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD APPLY
NECESSARILY TO CANADA.
IT SURE HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND
HOW AMERICAN POLITICKS ARE SO,
SO DIVISIVE.
WHEN WE COME BACK, A PREVIEW OF
THE WEEK AHEAD.
AND MEANWHILE, IF YOU WANT TO
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>> THEY SCORE!
[CHEERING]
>> Ian: AND THEN THERE WERE TWO.
GAME ONE OF THE STANLEY CUP
FINALS TOMORROW NIGHT IN LAS
VEGAS.
WHERE THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS HOST
THE WASHINGTON CAPITALS.
WE'LL BE WATCHING THAT CLOSELY.
FOR THOSE STILL FEELING THE
STING OF WINNIPEG'S LOSS A WEEK
AGO, WONDERING WHICH WAY TO
LEAN.
VEGAS'S ROSTER IS
OVERWHELMINGLY CANADIAN.
WORKERS AT CANADA'S SECOND
LARGEST RAILWAY COULD BE OFF
THE JOB IN TWO DAYS.
UNIONS REPRESENTING SOME 3300
EMPLOYEES AT C.P.S RAIL SERVED
STRIKE NOTICE THIS WEEKEND.
EFFECTIVE THIS TUESDAY AT 10:00
P.M. EASTERN.
THEY SAY THEY WANT A BETTER
DEAL ON PENSIONS, SICK DAYS,
DENTAL POLICIES AND MORE REST
FOR WORKERS.
AND ANOTHER DEADLINE WE'RE
WATCHING THIS WEEK.
KINDER MORGAN'S DECISION ON THE
FUTURE OF THE TRANSMOUNTAIN
PIPELINE EXPANSION.
THE COMPANY GAVE THIS THURSDAY,
MAY 31ST AS THE DATE BY WHICH
LIT EITHER PUSH ON WITH THE
PROJECT OR WALK AWAY IN THE
FACE OF MOUNTING PROTESTS AND
POLITICAL SETBACKS.
KINDER MORGAN STOPPED ALL
NONESSENTIAL WORK ON THE
EXPANSION LAST MONTH.
AND THE DAY AFTER THAT, THE
CANADIAN AUTO INDUSTRY COULD
FIND ITSELF FACING POTENTIALLY
CRIPPLING TARIFFS ON EXPORTS TO
THE U.S. AS NAFTA TALKS DRAG ON.
CANADA AND MEXICO HAD BEEN
GRANTED A TEMPORARY EXEMPTION
ON STEEL AND ALUMINUM TARIFFS.
IT'S SET TO EXPIRE THIS FRIDAY.
>> Rosemary: QUITE THE RESCUE
IN PARIS THIS WEEKEND WHEN A
TODDLER WAS SEEN HANGING FROM A
BALCONY.
A PASSER-BY TOOK DRAMATIC
ACTION.
A FOURS-STOREY CLIMB THAT'S
EARNED HIM THE NICKNAME FROM
THE CITY'S MAYOR THE SPIDER-MAN
OF THE 18TH DISTRICT AND IT IS
OUR MOMENT TONIGHT.
[SHOUTING]
[SHOUTING]
[CLAPPING]
[WHISTLING]
[CHEERING]
[CRYING]
>> Ian: SO EXTRAORDINARY.
A YOUNG MAN IN HIS EARLY 20s
AND AS THE POLICE CHIEF SAID OR
FIRE CHIEF, ONE OF THE
OFFICIALS SAID YOU NEEDED
SOMEONE WHO, FIRST OF ALL, HAD
THE COURAGE TO JUMP INTO ACTION
LIKE THAT, BUT ROSEMARY, ALSO
NEEDED TO BE INCREDIBLY
PHYSICALLY FIT.
I MEAN, WHAT TINY PERCENTAGE OF
THE POPULATION COULD EVEN
PHYSICALLY DO WHAT HE DID?
>> Rosemary: YEAH.
THAT KIND OF UPPER BODY
STRENGTH?
THAT'S LIKE A LOT OF CHINUPS IN
A ROW THAT HE HAD TO DO.
AND THE STORY IS EVEN MORE
INTERESTING BEHIND HIM AS WELL,
IAN.
HIS NAME IS MOMADU GASAMA A
22-YEAR-OLD UNDOCUMENTED WORKER
FROM MALI SO THERE IS A
MOVEMENT THAT'S STARTED TO TRY
AND GET HIM TO BECOME, YOU
KNOW, AN ACTUAL CITIZEN OF
FRANCE AND HE IS MEETING WITH
EMANUELLE MACRON TOMORROW.
IT HAS MANY LAYERS TO THE STORY.
BUT THE BEST PART IS THE CHILD
LIVED AND HE IS SAFE AND HE IS
A HERO.
>> Ian: AND THE GUY THAT WAS UP
THERE, A LOT OF PEOPLE WONDERED
WHY HE DIDN'T STEP IN.
APPARENTLY THERE WAS A DIVIDER
AND HE COULDN'T REACH AROUND TO
PROPERLY GRAB THE CHILD SO THAT
IS WHY HE STOOD THERE AND
WATCHED.
>> Rosemary: INCREDIBLE.
OK.
THAT IS "THE NATIONAL" FOR
SUNDAY, MAY 27.
GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY.
>> Ian: GOOD NIGHT.
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