THANK YOU ROB REINER. WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH BEING
SEXY. >> A NEW POLL THIS MORNING.
OH, GOOD, MY DAUGHTER IS AWAKE. >> THEY ALWAYS TEXTALITY 6:01.
>>>. >> A NEW POLL GIVES VOTERS
LATEST OPINIONS OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY.
NEARLY A WEEK AFTER THE MILITARY SYKES IN SYRIA, HIS APPROVAL
RATING IS 39%, UP ONE POINT FROM LATE MARCH WHILE THE PERCENTAGE
OF THOSE WHO DISAPPROVE IS DOWN TWO POINTS TO 49%.
56% OF AMERICANS FAVOR LIMITED U.S. STRIKES ON MILITARY TARGETS
IN SYRIA. 59% DON'T BELIEVE PRESIDENT
TRUMP KNOWS WHAT HE WANTS TO UNITED STATES TO DO THERE.
39% BELIEVES HE MAKES A PLAN. 49% DISAPPROVE OF HOW HE'S
HANDLING FOREIGN POLICY, A 7% APPROVAL FROM FEBRUARY.
40% OF AMERICANS SAY HE'S STRENGTHENING THE U.S. ON THE
WORLD STANL, UP FIVE POINTS. 49% SAY HE IS WEAKENING THE U.S.
WHICH HAS FALLEN FROM 56% EARLIER.
HOWEVER, ONLY 42% HAVE TRUST IN HIM TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION
IN AN INTERNATIONAL CRISIS. 55% DO NOT.
39% TRUST HIM TO WEIGH ALL THE OPTIONS BEFORE ACTING DURING A
CRISIS. 58% DO NOT.
>> THERE HAS BEEN OBVIOUSLY -- IT'S SAFE TO SAY WE'RE IN A
PERIOD OF TRANSITION. >> YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THOSE
NUMBERS. >> SOMETIMES THEY'RE LEADING
INDICATORS, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT.
THE GALLUP POLL HAS TRUMP UP FIVE POINTS OVER THE LAST WEEK.
NOT AS MUCH MOVE IN THE MARIS POLL.
OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF PEOPLE, MARK HALPERIN, STILL WAITING AND
SEEING HOW THIS TURNS OUT. >> THIS POLL IS IN LINE WITH
MOST OF THE OTHERS. THE EVENTS OF THE LAST WEEK, AS
MUCH AS THEY'VE GOTTEN ACCLAIM ON FOREIGN POLICY DIDN'T
REVOLUTIONIZE WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF THE PRESIDENT.
I THINK IT WILL REENFORCE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE WHAT DAVID WROTE
IN HIS COLUMN, AS HE MOVES TO BE A MORE ESTABLISHMENT FIGURE AT
LEAST ON FOREIGN POLICY, DOES HE SEE POSITIVE REENFORCEMENT AND
CONTINUE IN THAT DIRECTION, AND DOES HE EXTEND THAT WHEN
CONGRESS COMES BACK TO THINGS LIKE HEALTH CARE OR TAX REFORM.
>> DAVID IGNATIUS YOU WRITE THIS CALLED "TRUMP GETS A TASTE OF
SUCCESS." TRUMP IS MAKING GAINS BECAUSE
HE'S ASSEMBLED A COMPETENT NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM AND
LISTENS TO ITS ADVICE. THERE WAS A CONSENSUS AMONG HIS
TOP ADVISERS FOR A QUICK, LIMITED STRIKE ON A SYRIAN AIR
BASE AND TRUMP TOOK THE RECOMMENDATION.
HE DIDN'T AMPLIFY, AUGMENT OR OTHERWISE DISRUPT WITH HIS OWN
TWEETS. HE ALLOWED THE PROCESS TO WORK.
IF TRUMP GOES BACK TO HIS FREE WHEELING, TWEETER-IN-CHIEF ROLE
OR IF THE DISRUPTIVE WOULD-BE STRATEGIST STEPHEN BANNON
REGAINS INFLUENCE, OVER THE PAST WEEK TRUMP ADOPTED A DIFFERENT
APPROACH, MORE CAREFUL AND CONSENSUAL.
IT BRINGS HIM CLOSER TO THE FOREIGN POLICY MAINSTREAM THAT
HE BE RIDED DURING THE CAMPAIGN. BUT IT ALSO GIVES LIMB A TASTE
OF THE SUCCESS HE CRAVES. SO WELL PUT.
>> PEOPLE SAY WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ALL OF THESE CHANGES, OH, I'M
SHOCKED. IT'S LIKE HAVING SOMEBODY TO
INVEST YOUR MONEY IN THE STOCK MARKET AND THEY'VE LOST YOUR
MONEY FOR THE PAST 60 DAYS AND SUDDENLY THEY START MAKING GREAT
INVESTMENTS. I'M NOT GOING TO CRITICIZE THAT.
WE'VE ALL PREPARED FOR TRUMP THE
DISASTER. HOW DO YOU HANDLE TRUMP THE
SUCCESS IF WE KEEP MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION?
>> WELL, WE'LL SEE. I THINK THE PUBLIC IS RIGHT TO
BE SKEPTICAL. THOSE NUMBERS WERE INTERESTING,
GREATER SUPPORT BUT STILL A LOT OF MISS GAVE VINGS REFLECTED IN
THOSE NUMBERS. IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT TRUMP HAS
BONDED WITH THIS CORE GROUP. YOU LIST HIS SECRETARY OF
DEFENSE JIM MATTIS, SECRETARY OF STATE REX TILLERSON, CERTAINLY
HIS SON-IN-LAW JARED KUSHNER AS A KIND OF IN-HOUSE WHISPERER TO
THE PRESIDENT. YOU LIST THE NEW DEPUTY NATIONAL
SECURITY ADVISER DINA POWELL AND HER BOSS, H.R. McMASTER.
WHEN YOU HAVE A CRISIS AND DO WELL AT SOLVING IT, THERE'S
SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS. WE ALL KNOW THAT.
YOU BOND WITH THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WITH.
WE CAN DO THIS. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WATCHING
OVER THE LAST WEEK. THEY COULD STILL UNRAVEL.
THE BANNON ISSUE IS UNRESOLVED. THEY'VE GOT TO GET THAT SORTED
OUT. THE PRESIDENT COULD COME BACK TO
BE BEING THE DISRUPP TORE. SOMETHING GOES WRONG, HE HAS
SURPRISES, REACTS -- DOUBLES DOWN --
>> TOMORROW IS SATURDAY MORNING. YOU NEVER KNOW.
>> WHEN HE GETS UP IN THE MORNING, IT'S A NEW MORNING.
>> BUT HE'S READING COLUMNS LIKE THIS.
>> HE'S GETTING APPROVAL. HE IS ON ONE LEVEL THE KING OF
THE FLIP-FLOP YOU HAVE TO SAY. HIS POSITIONS ON KEY ISSUES ARER
RADICALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY WERE DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
BUT HE'S ALSO BECOMING A CREDIBLE LEADER IN FOREIGN
POLICY WITH A STRONG TEAM AND I WOULD SAY SOME REAL SUCCESSES.
>> HE ALSO -- IT'S VERY INTERESTING WITH RUSSIA.
DAVID, YOU SAID EARLY ON WHEN TRUMP TOOK THE CALL FROM THE
TAIWANESE LEADER, THROWING CHINA OFF IS NOT THE WORST THING IN
THE WORLD. THEY'RE ALWAYS THROWING US A BIT
OFF. I THINK TRUMP PROVED, YOU WRITE
BY A VERY POSITIVE MEETING WITH THE CHINESE THAT CAME OVER.
THEY GET TO GO BACK AND SAY WE SAT DOWN WITH THIS GUY THAT WAS
TALKING TO TAIWAN. RUSSIA, WE'RE HEARING THE SAME
THING ABOUT RUSSIA, AMBASSADOR McFAUL SAID, VLADIMIR PUTIN
THOUGHT HE HAD -- JULIE IN THE ATLANTIC WRIEGTS, THE AMERICAN
AIR STRIKE ON THE AIR BASE IN SYRIA DIDN'T DO THAT MUCH.
A DAY AND 59 TOMAHAWK MISSILES LATER, ASSAD IS STILL IN POWER,
PLANES STILL TAKING OFF, STILL FLYING, STILL DROPPING BOMBS AND
KILLING PEOPLE IN THE SAME PROVINCE WHERE THE GAS ATTACK
KILLED PEOPLE LAST WEEK. WHAT THE STRIKE DID DO WAS
RADICALLY ALTER THE POWER DYNAMIC BETWEEN MOSCOW AND
WASHINGTON THAT PUTIN SPENT THE LAST THREE YEARS ESTABLISHING,
ONE IN WHICH PUTIN ACTS AND WASHINGTON GOSH SMACKED
SCRAMBLES TO REACT. IT'S PUTIN AND HIS GOVERNMENT
THAT IS REACTING. HE'S LEARNING THE SAME EXACT
THING THAT JEB BUSH AND MARCO RUB YOU AND TED CRUZ AND ALL OF
THOSE PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT THEY WERE SO MUCH SMARTER THAN DUMB
DONALD TRUMP LEARNED IN THE CAMPAIGN.
>> SOMEBODY IN THE WHITE HOUSE SAID TO ME OVER THIS LAST WEEK,
SO THE RUSSIANS ARE CATCHING FOR A CHANGE RATHER THAN PITCHING.
THE RUSSIANS HAVE BEEN PITCHING, CALLING THE SHOTS.
NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO REACT TO U.S. POLICY.
THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT TRUMP WANTED AND I THINK IT HAS REAL
BENEFITS. I JUST WOULD STRESS ON CHINA,
THE FACT IS THAT TRUMP HAD TO PAY THE TICKET OF ADMISSION.
TRUMP STARTED OFF DESTABILIZING, I'M GOING TO REVISIT THE TAIWAN
ISSUE. THE CHINESE SAID, WELL,
PRESIDENT XI IS NOT GOING TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND TALK TO
YOU UNTIL YOU CLARIFY THAT. I'M TOLD TRUMP IN A WHITE HOUSE
MEETING SAID, SO CLARIFY, MEANING SO GET IT DONE.
IF THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE, LET'S GET IT
DONE. THAT'S WHEN THIS BEGINS.
IT DID MEAN BACKING OFF OF SOME OF HIS EARLY RHETORIC.
>> TOMORROW IS SATURDAY AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN, BUT
IN THIS MOMENT YOU SEE TRUMP ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THROUGH ON
SOMETHING HE ALWAYS SAID HE WOULD DO, ESPECIALLY ON THE
WORLD STAGE, AND THAT IS ALWAYS KEEP PEOPLE GUESSING.
AND RUSSIA RIGHT NOW IS IN THE POSITION TO BE MOST SURPRISED
BECAUSE FOR MONTHS HE HAS BEEN VEXING THE ENTIRE MEDIA
COMMUNITY AND THE WORLD COMMUNITY AS TO WHY HE IS SO --
WHAT'S THE WORD -- ALMOST POSITIVE AND AT TIMES
RIDICULOUSLY POSITIVE ABOUT VLADIMIR PUTIN.
>> OBSEQUIOUS. >> OBSEQUIOUS.
ALL OF A SUDDEN THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
>> THE SAME COULD BE SAID FOR CHINA, THE WAY HE'S SPOKEN ABOUT
CHINA. THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF HIS
CAMPAIGN IS WE'RE GETTING SCREWED AND RIPPED OFF BY CHINA,
THEY'RE BAD ACTORS AN CURRENCY MANIPULATORS.
THAT ALL CHANGED AFTER THE MEETING WITH PRESIDENT XI.
HE'S MOVING CARRIER GROUPS UP TOWARD THE KOREAN PENINSULA.
JOHN HEILEMANN, I WOULD GO TO YOU AND TALK ABOUT DAVID
IGNATIUS' POINT ABOUT WHO THE
PRESIDENT IS LISTENING TO. IT APPEARS TO BE THE TIGHT INNER
CIRCLE. STEVE BANNON LOOKING TO BE
MARGINALIZED. I THINK TRUMP WOULD SAY, YES,
BANNON HELPED ME TO BECOME PRESIDENT, THE DECISIONS HE'S
MADE ON THE MUSLIM BAN, THE TRAVEL BAN, HEALTH CARE REPEAL,
HE WANTS TO GO WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOTTEN HIM WINS.
>> I THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, WILLIE, WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
TRUMP AS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, CERTAINLY PEOPLE WHO ON THE LEFT
SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE
MAINSTREAM CONSERVATIVE SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM, THEY
LOOK NOW AT THE NOTION, AS JOHN McCAIN SAID TO US LAST WEEK,
THAT THE BIGGEST THING HE TOOK OUT OF THE SYRIAN STRIKE LAST
FRIDAY WAS, IT LOOKS LIKE DONALD TRUMP IS LISTENING TO THE
GENERALS. THAT GIVES ME CAUSE FOR SOME
DEGREE OF GREATER COMFORT AND CONFIDENCE.
I THINK THAT'S TRUE, AS I SAID, ACROSS MUCH OF THE MAINSTREAM
POLITICAL SPECTRUM. YOU MAY DISGRE OR AGREE WITH ANY
GIVEN POLICY DECISION OR PREFERENCE THAT THOSE PEOPLE
HAVE, BUT PEOPLE LIKE McMASTER, LIKE GENERAL MATTIS, THESE ARE
SERIOUS PEOPLE, SOBER PEOPLE, AND THE FACT THAT TRUMP SEEMS TO
BE LEANING ON TO THEM NOW IN A WAY HE WASN'T NECESSARILY BEFORE
GIVES YOU SOME SENSE, NOT JUST BECOMING MORE CONVENTIONAL
PRESIDENT, POTENTIALLY, BUT ALSO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT HE
KNOWS, TO SOME EXTENT AT LEAST, HE'S STARTING TO KNOW WHAT HE
DOESN'T KNOW. >> YOU KNOW, MARK, A WEEK AFTER
THE STRIKES, SOME MEDIA WRITERS WITH OVERSIMPLIFY THIS.
OH, IT'S JUST ABOUT THE STRIKES. NO, GREAT COMFORT FROM WHAT HE
SAID ABOUT NATO, THE FACT THAT RUSSIA IS BACK ON THEIR HEELS,
THE FACT WE HAVE A STRONGER RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA AFTER HE
WAS PROMISING 40% TAFR RIFFS. KNOWING TRUMP WE SAID IN
REALTIME, THAT'S THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER'S OPENING BID.
YOU GO IN HARD. >> SAME WITH PUTIN.
>> IT WAS HIS OPENING BID. >> COULD BE THE SAME THING WITH
PUTIN. >> HE'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE
FACT THAT CONGRESS IS AWAY, HE HAS THE STAGE TO HIMSELF.
I THINK THE THING HE SAID ABOUT TED CRUZ AND JEB BUSH,
PARTICULARLY TED CRUZ AND MARCO RUBIO IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
MOST HUMAN BEINGS HAVE THE CAPACITY, IF THEY'RE DEALING
WITH SOMEBODY, JUST CARROTS OR JUST STICKS.
YOU'RE IN A GOOD MODE OR A BAD MODE.
HE CAN DO CARROTS AND STICKS ONE DAY SIMULTANEOUSLY.
YOU LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH RUSSIA AND CHINA, TOTALLY
FLIPPED. CHINA, GOOD PERSONAL
RELATIONSHIP, TALKING ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER, WHICH WILL
COME TO A HEAD ABOUT WORKING WITH NORTH KOREA.
RUSSIA, OBSEQUIOUS BEFORE, NOW VERY MUCH.
KEEPING PEOPLE UNSETTLED BUT BEING WILLING TO SWITCH ON A
DIME. THAT'S THE WAY HE'S ALWAYS BE
AND IT'S WORKED THIS WEEK ON FOREIGN POLICY.
>> IT HAS RISKS. >> BIG RISKS.
>> SCARED THE HELL OUT OF THE FOREIGN POLICY COMMUNITY AND OUR
ALLIES, BUT IF THIS IS WHAT IT LEADS TO, THEN THAT'S A POSITIVE
THING. WE JUST -- AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID
BEFORE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING NEXT.
WE DO KNOW, THOUGH, HE'S LISTENING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
>> HIS PEOPLE WOULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT SOME DISRUPTION
WAS NECESSARY, THAT PEOPLE WERE SO COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR
EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT AMERICA WOULD AND WOULDN'T DO.
WE WERE JUST SORT OF FIXED IN PLACE IN PEOPLE'S MINDS.
I'M STRUCK BY THE WAY IN WHICH TRUMP IS PLAYING A GAME THAT I
REMEMBER FROM RICHARD NIXON WHICH IS THE GAME OF A
TRIANGULAR WORLD WITH THE U.S., RUSSIA AND CHINA.
YOU PLAY ONE OFF AGAINST ANOTHER.
YOU MOVE BACK AND MOVE FORTH. CONSTANT DIALOGUE, LEVERAGE ONE
AGAINST THE OTHER. THAT IS WHAT KISSINGER THOUGHT
WAS THE HEART OF GOOD POLICY IN A PERIOD AFTER VIETNAM WHEN THE
U.S. WAS WEAK AND STRUGGLING TO FIND ITS WAY BACK.
KISSINGER HAD THIS VISION, AND I THINK HE'S BEEN FEEDING SOME OF
THAT TO JARED KUSHNER WHO I CAN'T HELP BUT SEE AS
KISSINGER'S KIND OF PROTEGE IN THIS WHITE HOUSE AND SAYING THIS
GAME OF NATIONS IS THE WAY YOU WANT TO TRY TO GAIN GREATER
LEVERAGE. >> MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
AS YOU KNOW, THOSE TWO HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR SIX MONTHS NOW.
I REMEMBER, AGAIN, COMING UP BEFORE WHEN HE PUT CHINA OFF
GUARD EARLY ON, YOU SAID THE SAME EXACT THING.
KEEP BOTH OF YOUR RIVALS OFF BALANCE.
>> THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LESSON ONE OF KISSINGER'S STATE CRAFT.
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