for a summit between President Trump and King Kim John on Purdue's stunning and
surprising pictures but what about the substance did the two leaders resolve
differences that could lead to a nuclear confrontation joining me here in
Washington is Jack Reed the top Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee
senator welcome back to Fox News Sunday thanks Chris
president Trump says that North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat his words and
on Friday he added this I have solved that problem that we're getting it
memorialized but that problem is largely self senator your reaction North Korea
is a nuclear threat the president statement was absolutely in my view
preposterous north korea has between 20 and 60 nuclear weapons they have
missiles that you can deliver those weapons to Japan South Korea Guam they
have an intricate infrastructure of nuclear laboratories testing facilities
etc this issue is just beginning to be dealt with it has not been solved but
and in fairness it it hasn't and the president acknowledges that although we
clearly is more optimistic than you are that it's going to get settled north
korea has suspended its nuclear bomb and missile tests for months it has
destroyed one of its main testing facilities the two sides are talking at
the highest level would you concede the president Trump has dramatically reduced
tensions between the two countries well I think initially president Trump helped
elevate the tensions I mean the fire and fury they did demeaning Twitter's about
Kim jong-un etc I think the path that diplomas that he's chosen is the wiser
one I commend him for that but if the meeting itself the summit was a great
victory for kim jongwan he got the prestige of the first leader of North
Korea to be literally embraced by the president of United States his sordid
record on human rights on mistreating his own people is not only
ignored but frankly contradicted in many respect by the president's comments the
sanction regime which again the president I think and his staff did very
well in putting it together will dissipate given the lack of enthusiasm
for enforcement guarantees about the security of North Korea which the
president seemed to imply it's different than than this the maximum pressure
campaign he's put on and then conceding without any other quid pro quo the
exercises that we conduct with the South Koreans was I think a mistake indeed the
president chose to call them provocative war games which are not the case at all
so at the end of that summer Kim jong-un walked away I think with a great deal
and we're just now beginning to try to put together put it back together III
just want to press on that one point you're the top Democrat in the Senate
Armed Services Committee the President did agree to suspend joint military
exercises between South Korea and the United States he did however say that if
North Korea drags its feet on denuclearization he can always resume
the game so how how big a deal is that it is a big deal first of all is a
complete surprise to our allies the South Koreans and the Japanese they are
very concerned second it is part of our determined not wargaming but deterrence
of the North Koreans and if this goes for a long period of time operationally
will lose the skills that we need to collaborate with our colleagues in the
region and I think also it's interesting that the Chinese were among the first to
report the secession of these exercises and I think they're going to take a
great deal of comfort from that so it's which subjects on you president Trump
announced Friday that he is imposing now finally not threatening but imposing
stiff new tariffs on China effective July 6th here he is we're just going to
do 50 billion dollars on 50 billion dollars of high technology
equipment and other things coming into the country
China responded quickly that it is going to respond it's going to retaliate with
tariffs on us farm products on crude oil on us
cars senator are we now in a trade war with China it looks that way but the
president I think is right in calling out China they have abused in many
respects the free trade arrangements that have been built up over generations
they don't allow American companies to compete in China or international
companies as they are allowed to in other countries they have I think used
the trade system to their advantage so the president I think is where I could
taking action the question is are these actions coordinated I don't think so I
mean he before I left for the Singapore summit he had it very very difficult
meeting with the g7 so he's not going into this trade battle of China with a
unified effort by the Western powers and then second I think a lot of his
judgment seem to be snap judgments he imposed tariffs on countries aiming at
China and it wanted up sort of hitting Canada and other countries where we have
not only trade relationships with very strong national security relationships
so the concept I think it's right to go after China the method I think he
employs just in many cases counterproductive but the trade war
issue is we are could be dangerously approaching such a trade war I want to
switch to one other subject which is gaining interest and concerned by the
moment and that is the issue of families at the border being separated let's put
up some statistics in the first six weeks after the administration launched
its zero-tolerance policy we now find out that 1995 miners were separated from
1940 adults coming across the border illegally here is president Trump's
explanation that's the law and that's what the Democrats gave us and we're
willing to change it today if they want to get in and negotiate but they just
don't want to negotiate your reaction to the policy and the impact it's having in
terms of separating these families it's not the law it's the president's policy
in fact is stated it's been reporting the press
that he's using it as the negotiation tool he's using it to intimidate
families so they don't come across the border he's using it as a political ploy
so it's not the war and to say this law is just misrepresenting misrepresenting
the facts let me ask you about two aspects of that one in terms of trying
to deter families from crumbing across the border they're coming across
illegally what's wrong with that I we should have and we've tried in the
past on bipartisan basis to develop comprehensive immigration reform which
would secure the border we can't have a border that it's open but it also would
recognized one individuals that are here for many years and to provide a much
more effective process if people are seeking asylum if people are trying
illegitimate ly to to come in to the United States we have to protect our
borders but it is I think a repugnant to most Americans when you have people like
dr. Franklin Graham condemning these family separations as abhorrent to the
core American values that grandma the son of Billy Graham grants but let me
ask you at the other aspect of it because it has been suggested some
people in the White House design this is a negotiating ploy and the argument is
that the president has suspended the daca program although the courts have
stopped that and he has imposed this policy to try to bring Democrats like
yourself to the table to create a kind of grand bargain yes he'll stop this
policy he'll provide some protection on for the dreamers but in return you the
Democrats will give him the border wall and limits on legal immigration things
like the Visa Lottery and chain migration I don't think Americans would
like to see children two years old four years old torn away from their parents
as the negotiating ploy in Washington DC I think that's the American view of this
there are other ways to negotiate between Republican Democrats using
children young children as political foils is abhorrent
but are you saying that you will not agree to a deal that has this as a
saying that this is Republican to most Americans and when you have leaders of
the community leaders like dr. Graham speaking out that sense of strong strong
signal there are ways we can negotiate we had a
few months ago and we thought our deal with the president with respect to some
enhancement of water border security including stretches of the wall in
return the docker the dreamers would be allowed to stay at the last moment that
blew up that was a fear comprehensive bargain that negotiation and he just
sort of walked away from it but to use children this way to me is something
that frankly you know that's not what we're about in this country
Senator Reid thank you thanks for coming in always good to talk with you sir
coming up our Sunday group returns to discuss the showdown over immigration
will the parties resolve their differences on separating families and
the dreamers and border enforcement good chemistry you haven't had any rockets
shut up in the air for seven months you haven't had any research they just blew
up their test site this is the weakest statement I have ever seen come out of
any engagement with North Korea the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee Bob Menendez questioning president Trump's positive assessment of
the nuclear deal he struck with North Korea's Kim jong-un and we're back now
with the panel congresswoman Harman how do you assess the Singapore summit what
are the pluses for the u.s. what are the minuses well it was a made-for-tv moment
and let's understand that there were two big images one was at the g7 when Trump
sitting like this glaring at Angela Merkel and the second one in the exact
same time frame was shaking hands with Kim jong-un and slightly later saluting
in return to his salute in North American North Korean general how do I
assess it I think it's a short term propaganda win for Kim he got almost
everything he wants Jack Reed just said that Senator Jack Reed on your program
but I think if he just makes no more threats and doesn't test again he's
gotten away with becoming a nuclear name being recognized by the world and I
think there will be more economic advantages to him I think China will
trade more and we won't punish China for trading with North Korea and I think
that you know yay him just one other comment there are two winners here short
term I think one is China which now has much more of an advantage in in Asia now
that we're suspending our exercises and possibly reducing or eliminating our
troops in South Korea but the other is Russia because of what we did with the
g7 and the new tariff plan let's not call it a more Europe is destabilized
and that gives Russia huge advantage with respect to Ukraine and in the
Middle East because we renounce the Iran deal
it seems to me Russia has more free rein in Syria and parts of the Middle East
jillian is someone who worked on the National Security Council for President
Bush and President Obama President Trump seems confident he got a deal from Kim
to give up his nuclear weapons even if that isn't spelled out in the final
agreement the joint agreement that they signed do you share the president's
confidence I share the president's hope and optimism not necessarily his
confidence because I think no matter what is said now truly only time will
tell one thing to point out that you know a lot of in the wake of this summit
it seems to be that the response is breaking down along political lines much
like it did to President Obama's overtures to the Iran regime but when it
comes down to policy matters here there's one major challenge the Trump
administration's facing that President Obama didn't really have to deal with
back in 2012 13 and 14 and that is North Korea's continued super aggressive gray
zone warfare in cyberspace I've been speaking to cyber experts and tech
experts this week who say that during the lead-up to the summit even as the
summit was ongoing North Korea sponsored hackers were infiltrating US banks
financial institutions and carrying out attacks on them and this is something
that they have not yet dealt with they might be able to get to some kind of a
denuclearization deal without addressing that but it will ultimately fall apart
unless the Trump administration confronts the
hedaan I hope they're doing it behind the scenes through covert channels let's
turn to the other subject I discussed with Senator Reid and that's the
separation of families coming across the border which I think it's fair to say is
is sparking growing outrage as we now learn that almost 2,000 minors were
separated from their adult parents as they came across the border in the first
six weeks after the president and his administration announced it's zero
tolerance policy here was the president on this this week they're all saying
about separating the families and that's a Democrat bill that's Democrats wanting
to do that and they could solve it very easily by getting together but they
think it's a good election point Carl what do you think of this separation of
families zero tolerance and what's come from it what do you think of it as
policy and what do you think of it as it apparently is being used by the Trump
administration as leverage to get the Democrats to negotiate a bigger deal on
immigration well let's take the politics of it first and then go back to the
policy if you take a look there's a new Harvard Harris Poll that that says give
the dreamers a they can remain here and have a path to citizenship in return for
which there is increased you use merit rather than family connections you
eliminate the diversity lottery and you provide funding for the border wall and
in that poll that deal gets better than two to one so at the end of it were in
favor of it and so at the end of this the president's position I'll give you
the dreamers and a path to citizenship in return for these three things has the
support of the American people so the administration's on firm ground the
president's not on its firmer ground when it comes to his description of the
of the detention of minors and separation from families this is being
driven by a decision by the Justice Department for zero tolerance that is to
say anybody who comes across the border is now going to be charged it used to be
for the policy that if you came across the border if you were a Mexican you
were immediately removed out of the country now apparently they're going to
charge the Mexicans with an immigration violation that makes it impossible for
them to enter the country legally the future to work or become a US
citizen so the administration has taken the zero-tolerance policy and rather
than taking you know Oh TMS we would hold them and move them out of the
country within 30 or 35 days now you have to hold these people until the
whole process of charging them litigating in a court finding them
guilty or not and then processing them out of the country takes place and we
only have two facilities in which you can put families intact a small one in
Artesia New Mexico and another one in Dili Texas we used to have a big
facility in Taylor Texas but the courts made us in essence the restriction Obama
closed today so where are we on the idea that somehow this policy which is
sparking a lot a growing outrage is going to be an effective tool for the
Trump administration to use to bring Democrats to the negotiating table my
hope is is that I know the president said it's a negotiating technique I hope
the Democrats will not get as stuck on trying to win that argument with the
president they're not going to convince him that this was the wrong thing to do
they ought to find a way to resolve the situation which is provide an
opportunity for the dreamers to - and this is also incumbent upon the
Republicans in the house the dreamers get a path to citizenship and get to
remain here and there are other changes on their side including money for the
board Walt look we have a board we have a wall along I think six hundred miles
in the border it needs to be replaced and upgraded that's primarily what the
president's talking about he has given up on the notion of building a wall at
the top of the canyon in Santa Elena Canyon in Texas which is where the US
border is 1500 feet in the air he's finally given up on that notion so he's
talking about a limited wall but maybe a couple of dozen miles more than we now
have but upgrading that to make it modern and and repairing it Chris let me
bring you into this because it strikes me that the president is in a kind of
politically risky position here one to the degree that he keeps this the
separation going and I'll ask you does he get blamed for this or do Democrats
get blamed and if he were to get a deal which would include what Karl says the
amnesty or citizenship for the dreamers and a lot of hardline conservatives are
going to call that amnesty now have some downside for him too so he is
in a box and he's in a box with his own base and he's in a box because
Republicans can't agree on anything their real problem here is they can't
come to terms amongst themselves about what does acceptable immigration
legislation look like Paul Ryan they just totally faced Paul Ryan Paul Ryan
did a deal he avoided a discharge petition that would have been basically
rebellion among the members of the House you know how rare that would be so Paul
Ryan defeats this and he says okay boys hang together because we're gonna come
out with legislation next week and then the president goes and dumps on it no
we're not gonna do that now later the White House comes back and tries to
clean it up and say well what the president meant to mean was this but in
any case the president 5:30 Tuesday is going up to Capitol Hill to talk to
House Republicans to try to work this out it got to do a deal until
Republicans can agree on what they think immigration policy should look like
amongst themselves the Democrats are off the hook they are totally getting away
scot-free because the Republicans have to finish their own work first and
remember when epic 64% of Republicans believe the dreamers ought to be allowed
to remain and allowed to apply for citizenship 64% of Republicans 77% of
independents 92 percent of Democrats 79 percent of the Americans overall
Republicans ought to do will democrats be forced to deal to try to end the
separation of families or did they actually see this as a political benefit
for them as heartless as it may be who wants these kids to be pawns it's the
wrong policy the right policy was something Mike Pence and John Kelly when
he's head of Homeland Security tried to pursue in Florida where they had a
summit on helping Central American governments the push factor comes from
Central America Mexico should police its southern border better but these kids
and migrants are coming from Central America where there's rampant corruption
and danger to their families that's why there's no clean up the situation at all
Thank You panel see you next Sunday when we come back Lord Stanley comes
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