Americans of European background
call themselves "white"
Are you white?
I...
Ori Rishon Lezion
Me. I am a person of the world
I am from everything
Do you know the concept?
I know about it
Is it something that people say here in Israel?
There are those who say it but less here in Israel
What is your ethnic background?
My mother is French
and her parents were from Turkey
My father is from Morocco
of blessed memory
Pini Givataim
No, I am not white
I asked you where your parents are from and you said Persia
Just look at my skin Is it white skin?
But most Israelis are mocha like that
some people from outside would say you are not black
you are whitish
Mediterranean
We can be Italian, Greek Whatever
Spanish
Do you think Israelis in general are white?
I think Israelis in general are Mediterranean
We are part of the Mediterranean
Even the Ashkenazis who came from Poland?
Even the Ashkenazis
If you were born here you are part of this territory
There is no doubt about it
Yann Tel Aviv
Yes
My grand grand grandparents
were born somewhere over here and not in the hottest places
Where is "over here"?
Not in Africa
Russia
Sapir and Ido Modiin
Look at me
We are closer to Mexicans
Middle Eastern
If you were in the US, would you be white?
Somewhere in between
Definitely not white
but not black as well so something...
I think Americans would describe us as Hispanic
Probably
What is your ethnic background?
North Africa
and a bit Iran today
Iraq
Yemen
Iran
but we insist we are Israelis
so we don't try to make such an impact
on how we are today
We were born here our parents were born here as well
It's our grandparents
people here
say about others
I don't think it matters the way it matters in the US
what the colour of your skin is
I am not sure about it but
Uri Tivon
Do you know in America the concept of being white?
No
Have you heard of it? - No
Being white - No
I don't follow these things
Are you white?
I guess, yes
How yes, what do you mean?
It's my skin colour
It's not because I chose it It's how I turned out
So in the Israeli context, are you white?
In Israel, we don't think about this No one...
I never encountered anyone telling me I am white
Other than your question now The first time it came up
What is your ethnic background?
My parents came here from Iraq
There is a concept in America
about being white
Rachel Geva Binyamin (West Bank settlement)
No
I am very black (how Israelis of this colour define themselves)
Something that very much defines my identity is that I am not white
and I feel very dark
because it influences a lot of my behaviour
What is your ethnic background?
Tunisian
Both sides? - Yes
If you meet Palestinians
are they white?
No
They are also black
They are also very close to me in culture
Eastern culture
that was once very much on the periphery
but now has more room in the mainstream
They are not white
Are you speaking about the Eastern (Jewish) culture
or the general Israeli culture?
I am speaking about the Eastern Arab culture
Eastern Arab culture
which includes those (Israelis) that came from North Africa
and also Palestinians
that also many times, want a lot of connections with their culture
Music, food
style of ...
So the culture was once more at the peripheries and now more central
I think at the time of the establishment of the country because we were at war
and it also happened in the 1950s with the treatment of Eastern Jews
so it remains that things that are Arab and Eastern (Jews)
are outside cultures that need to be fought against
and now we are in a different place Israel is very "Eastern" today
which gives a lot of respect to that
and sometimes those who are Ashkenazi like my husband here
feel... - He doesn't want to be on camera
feel they are on the fringes but
I think our stength is
we know how to find within ourselves both white and black
As someone Ashkenazi, your culture is much more fun than ours
Also my children who are mixed
also seem to me sometimes on one side, sometimes on the other
but in a good way
Have you heard of the concept of being white?
Bar and Avraham Jerusalem
From the United States
They speak about white people
Have you heard about this?
Umm, yes
Meaning it became an insult Is that what you mean?
It's like...
I don't want to explain too much
They say that Israelis are white
that you are white
Umm, yes
We are fine with that
As you can see, not so white
we are more
black-brownish - Yes
You are okay with it that you are white?
Totally
Everyone can say what they want
Every can decide ... - We accept it with love
What? I didn't hear
We accept it with love
Everyone can decide...
But do you define yourselves as... what are your ethnic backgrounds?
Maroccan
Both of you? - Yes
We are brother and sister
Do you define yourselves white or
No. Black-brownish
Yes
We are white, black-brownish
For us, I don't think in Israel that concept exists
(this idea) has less influence
So what is there in Israel Explain
There are all the people who live here
We really work hard on accepting the other
and so there won't be differences between people
That there won't even be a conversation
about skin colour
But day to day, is there a conversation about it?
Like do you have a lot of friends who are Ashkenazi
or Ethiopian
Do you ever talk about that?
In our school... - I have Ethiopian Friends, white friends
like you said, Ashkenazi friends
All sorts of people
but we try to accept the other
and put effort that it will happen
David Jerusalem
As a Jew, are you white?
Culturally, I think I am
I mean, I have the privilege of white man
but here in Israel...
Like what? Give me an example
I behave, in Europe for example
I behave like I am a white man
I have all the privileges I deserve
or need to be
Here in Israel, it is not so recognized
white man, black man
There is a little bit of racism here in Israel
It's not
as (much) talked about
as in the US
Here it's more like
there is stigma about some groups of people
not so much their colour
Which group are we talking about?
Name something as an example
Here in Israel it is the Ethiopian
they are Jews
and they have a little bit of racism towards them
but it is pretty subtle
Like what?
I don't know from my experience
but I heard that
that there is a little bit of police bullying them
and treating them a little bit not the way they should
Specifically more
there is a group of
Sudanese
here in Israel
that are treated really really bad
and they are not even citizens
so it is even more
really really bad
With your friends, family have you ever heard anyone say
something against any of those groups?
Friends, yes
Family, no
Even though my family is religious
Ultra orthodox Jews - Really?
Hassidic
You turned out different
Thank you
What did your friends say? Give me an example
I know someone
who is
she is a really old lady about 80 years old
and she is Moroccan
and she is really really racist
and quite
it's not rare at all in those communities
they are racist
By those, are we talking about older people
Northern African people
Old people
I had a grandmother too that was a little bit racist
I know it
It sounds like something from the old millenia
that still exists
Dov Jerusalem
Yes, I think so, yes
You would define yourself as white
I don't think of it that way
but put in context
put in context
Standing next to a black man I suppose yes
But how do you think of yourself?
I think of myself mostly in spiritual terms
In terms of the way you...
who you are as a person your identity
My ethnic identity?
My ethnic identity is defined only in relation to
society, to other people
So living in Israel
what do you feel?
I feel an Israeli
I feel a Jew
If you ask me to compare myself to others
relating to my height
or my skin
or my host culture
or particular culture I live in
in Israel now
I can do that
but I prefer to frame things regarding Israel
and Israelis as a whole that we are all Israelis
that those of us who are Jewish Israelis are Jews
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