- The Joe Montana of triathlon.
In my opinion, he is the best triathlon lead of all time.
(upbeat music)
And there's an exit from the river just about 150 meters
that way.
Kim has a look on her face right now.
- I'm devastated right now - She just found out
there's no Santa Claus (laughs).
(upbeat music)
What's up, train-iacs?
Today, there are some very big things happening.
What's up, train-iacs?
Today, there are some very big things happening.
Maybe calls for a little bit of a history lesson
to understand how big and important this podcast
that I'm doing later today is.
Doing it with Mark Allen.
I'll tell you straight out, he is like the Wayne Gretzky,
the Michael Jordan, the Paylay,
the Joe Montana of triathlon.
In my opinion, he is the best triathlete of all time
and he was a part of what I think
and what a lot of people think is the best triathlon
of all time,
like single best one-day race.
And if you haven't heard of it, this is the Iron War
that happened in 1989 between Mark Allen
and Dave Scott.
For six years, Dave Scott, the man,
was going into Kona and basically it was his biggest race
of the year.
He would get beat up throughout the course of the year,
be injured, but he would always show up
in Kona, ready to race and he would win every time.
At the same time, Mark Allen, his nemesis,
would come in, and for the life of him,
even though he was basically going undefeated
throughout the rest of the season, for years on end,
he could not beat Dave Scott in that race.
So coming into the Ironman World Championship
in Kona in 1989, you again had Dave Scott,
Midwest, hard-working, defending champion,
tough-as-nails dude going after probably the fittest,
most natural triathlete
ever to have walked the earth, Mark Allen,
ready to clash again.
What ended up happening is, the gun went off
and they swam.
Dave and Mark were excellent swimmers.
Mark was a former all-American swimmer
and he stayed on Dave Scott's toes the entire race.
Got out of the water together.
They go out on the bike and they race 112 miles together
and they came off the bike literally, again, together.
Went through transition together and then when they got out
onto the run, Dave Scott said, "You know what?
"I got to dump this guy."
And they brought the pace down to like, five minute miles
and as soon as Dave Scott would bring up the pace,
Mark Allen would answer.
As soon as Mark Allen would bring up the pace,
Dave Scott would answer.
And they're calling back and Mike Riley,
who is also on the podcast, the voice of Ironman,
"You are an Ironman!"
That guy, he said that he's back in the tower.
And they're calling in saying, "They're down to five,
"ten miles!"
And he's going, "What?
"That's got to be insane!
"That's not right."
But no, it was right.
They were pushing each other so hard, so fast
that both of them were thinking, "This is insane.
"We can't keep up this pace,"
but they kept going shoulder-to-shoulder
and they were literally,
(claps) as Mark Allen describes it,
bumping into each other because they were going so hard
and they were so close
that they couldn't control themself.
Then, with about three or four miles left,
they're still together having raced seven hours
and 40 minutes side-by-side.
There was a hill coming into the town of Kona,
and at the bottom of the hill, there was an aid station.
Mark Allen says, "You know what?
"At the top of the hill, I'm going to go."
And at that moment, Dave Scott reaches over
to grab a water, Gatorade, or something like that
and something in Marks' head said, "Go!"
And he hammered it and lost Dave.
And for the first time in the entire day,
Dave did not have an answer for him.
For the first time in your entire career,
Dave did not have an answer.
Mark Allen ended up winning.
(crowd cheers)
- To beat Dave Scott on what ended up
being his absolute best day of his career, you know,
was really something special.
(upbeat music)
(crowd cheers)
- Oh, you did it!
- Oh, oh, you did it!
Yeah!
- It was the passing of the title from the best
in the sport to my career, really.
(upbeat music)
- The competitive element of that race
couldn't have been any better.
You know, it was the perfect race for competition.
It was the perfect race to exploit our talents
and that day, his talent was just a little bit better.
- And still, to this day,
that marathon that they did,
officially, it's not the fastest marathon
ever ran in Kona, but back when their time was calculated,
their marathon time included the transition.
It took until last year for Patrick Lange
to actually beat that time, but it didn't include
the transition, so in my opinion, those two dudes,
almost 30 years later, still have the Ironman
Kona marathon record.
And it's a real testament to how badass they were
that 30 years of science and nutrition,
and training, and tech later,
that that is still the guttiest race ever.
Now the way that I told that, I'm sure it does not
do it justice.
If you are at all interested in triathlon,
which, like, all of you are,
is you need to go read the Iron War.
This book is so fantastic that I think I read it
in a day-and-a-half.
Kim doesn't do triathlon, hasn't ever read
a triathlon book.
She read it in the course of about three days.
It's so fantastic.
It talks about the emotion
and like, the self will required not just for these guys
to do triathlons and do well, but for everyone in triathlons
to do well.
It talks about the science of training
and the different methods of training,
and basically, the biggest thing about it is,
it's not about the gear you have, or the suit you have,
or the race you're doing.
It's about what you got in here and up here.
So I'll put a link in the description below
to where you can go and buy that book on Amazon.
If there is one triathlon book that you ever read,
it should be that one.
As always, if you did click through that link
and buy anything within the 24 hours
after clicking through that link,
it doesn't cost you anything extra, but it helps us out
because we get a small commission,
so much appreciated.
And yeah,
Mark Allen does not grant a ton of interviews
and we're interviewing him.
This is big stuff.
This is big, big stuff.
In other not-so-big-stuff news,
I have the morning swim in the Red River just dialed in.
(whooshing effect)
So nice this morning.
(upbeat music)
So I have a pretty sweet setup here figured out
now that I know that I can swim in that river.
I park here.
(upbeat music)
And there's an exit from the river just about 150 meters
that way.
(upbeat music)
Then, I take my bike,
I go down as far as I want to swim.
(upbeat music)
I lock up my bike, I swim.
(upbeat music)
I come back.
Aw!
Ah!
Hoob, hoob, hoob.
Massive rip in this, just from sitting on a hanger
all winter.
That's not normal.
So I swim down as far as I want to go,
I hop out, I go to work, I shower.
It's awesome.
Getting your training done
doesn't always have to be a ginormous production
as long as you're willing to suffer a little bit
of ridicule from the entire city
about working out,
swimming, and biking, and running
where people normally don't.
But besides that, totally enjoyable!
Here, I'll give you some context
of how convenient this is.
Headquarters is right
over there.
Ah, ah?
It's pretty nice.
Stick with me, folks.
You'll go a long way.
(loud jingling)
- His feet smells like poo.
- Who's excited for Mark Allen, though?
- Whoo!
- I want to know what was going through your head
in between that 1982, 1989 where you were so dominant.
- We obviously, I mean,
we've already now gotten into a bit of the Iron War,
so we may as well just continue there.
Taren assigned me the book as reading.
- It was assigned reading. - My reading assignment.
Yeah, if you want to be on this podcast, Kim,
you've got to read the book.
- So I read the book and it was really fascinating.
Do you feel it was an accurate depiction
of everything that happened at that time?
- To be honest, no.
It actually, Dave Scott and I
had a lawsuit filed against the author
and the publisher because so much of what was in there
had been, basically,
fabricated or interpreted by the author's mind,
I guess.
He never did one interview with us,
he never asked us one question.
You know, he put it all together
kind of in a sensationalized fashion.
You know, we settled out of court
and went our own ways, but.
- Kim has a look on her face right now.
- I'm devastated right now. - She just found out
there's no Santa Claus (laughs).
- I don't even know what to ask you anymore.
- Yeah! - Everything I know
is untrue. (man laughs)
Well, because he did go into a lot of things
from, you know, as far back as your childhood,
your relationship with your father,
all these kind of things.
You know, the mental challenges that you had
as far as breaking through some of those
self-imposed barriers.
So, I mean, I guess I have to ask you,
is any of that true (laughs) then?
- Not really.
My main purpose and goal for racing
was not to overcome any.
- I did have one more Iron War question for you, Mark,
and that was the fact that you clearly
didn't have a mustache when everybody else
(man laughs) seemed to have a mustache
in all of the footage. (man laughs)
- Cool.
- You could edit that last little part in about saying
Wayne Gretzky.
- Wayne Gretzky.
- Of triathlon.
- Of triathlon.
- Michael Jordan of triathlon.
That was awesome. - Mm-hmm.
- Big fan.
- Maybe. - Bigger fan.
- Big fan, bigger fan.
Yeah.
Train-iacs?
Like, we're spitting heat in these podcasts.
(loud exhale)
Go to triathlontaren.com/podcastinfo
if you want to be notified of when these are out.
We just had The Grip, Mark Allen!
That was the best.
- So cool.
- All right, guys.
- Go outside! - You're free.
- Don't poo on the floor.
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