one of the things that has been a central theme it seems like though of
your connection to others is the fact that that connection though involves
service to others and it seems as though this is a message of many individuals I
don't know if you want to use the word guru or other terminology of people who
others look to as a GPS but it seems as though there is always a centrality of a
recognition of our oneness and from that a recognition that our life is one of
services if there is a there's a certain contradiction in the question in the
sense if there is oneness many the question of service now I'm asking
aren't you if you get to do something for your children do you feel that
you've done a great service do you know it's a privilege that you have the
opportunity to do this but if you happen to do something for that urging who is
on the street was helpless suddenly become service or in other words when
your heart is bereft of now you can do service if you have love in your heart
you can never do enough in this life to handle not enough this is the experience
of every human being whether you are in love with one person or whatever even if
you're in love with one person when you really in love with one person these two
hands are not enough how much of what you do it's not enough isn't it when
there is no line you keep accounts of all the things that you do and it's a
service and if you do a lot of service you will
create such an unlit unrealistic expectation about people that
immediately it will lead to frustration activity when you if you really see
suppose your little finger is rotting up if you are 10 - this is the service if
you have experienced the oneness of the existence there would be no such thing
as service it would be just expanding yourself to do whatever you can do is a
natural process in our lives if we do not do what we cannot do that's not an
issue but if we do not do what we can do we are a disastrous life whatever we can
do must happen and we as a generation of people are in a unique space for the
first time for the very first time in the history of humanity even 25 years
ago this would not be possible for the very first time we have the necessary
resource capability and technology to address every human problem on the
planet the only thing that is missing is
inclusiveness in the way we are experiencing ourselves if there is a
more inclusive experience of yourself and the rest every other life on this
planet we are capable of offering solutions to everything for the first
time in the history of humanity the question is are we going to just sit on
the threshold and die or are we going to cross it this is the big question I want
to see that we as a generation of people do not become a way in generation that
we will do things that we can do what we cannot do it's fine
in some ways this brings up though the issue of has has been quoted eighty-five
people I have more resources in terms of financial capability from 3.5 billion
people which is extraordinary annex certainly in the United States we've
seen this ever widening divergence between the haves and the have-nots and
while I think we would all agree that within ourselves we have the capability
to change or the potential but why don't we have that or why does not so many
people sing we have this intent in fact as we were discussing sometimes having
more makes individuals want more not to give more see whatever 2 to 5% of the
population holding or 80% of the world's Welk that's what is I don't know if that
statistic is perfect but so many of that one thing is we can see it is a great
problem when I seed is a great possibility now you have to change only
2% of the population to transform the world because because they don't show up
because we have developed this in the world right from the time of Marx you
know Karl Marx and talking about he's not supposed to talk about him in the
valley but I am talking about him he might have known a lot of it about
economics but he doesn't know much about human nature he predicted that the
richest countries in the world will take to communism just the reverse happen
wherever the poorest populations are there they are the ones who fly the red
flag even today yes so tourists talking about communism means those who have
nothing sher want to share those who have
something to share become cautious about this whole thing naturally if I have a
lot and I say I want to share it with you
who will suspect me I got nothing and I'm talking about sharing this is
dangerous policy so we need to change the equation it is not for those who do
not have to talk about sharing because what little they have they're not
willing to share they're expecting somebody else who have
a lot to share what little they have they cannot share so the transformation
to bring about a transformation in the world we are in a better place than ever
before because the wealth is accumulated in 5% of the population the power has
accumulated in the hands of 25 to 30 people and the popular in the world if
you transform these 25 30 people the world will change that is not that
doesn't look like an impossible thing but if you tell me you're gonna make 7.2
billion people meditate tomorrow morning I will say that's a hopeless goal but we
want to make 2% of the world to meditate an experience life in a larger way than
the way they're experiencing right now it is for sure a possibility isn't it
yes I certainly appreciate that example but you know if we were compared it to a
nut the have-nots have a very thin shell sometimes and are more open to have
their shell cracked because they have nothing to lose
while the perception is among these people I would suggest you they have an
extraordinarily thick shell and sometimes even an atom bomb doesn't seem
able to crack that show so well that may think that 2% of the nuts
I have I had the you know the opportunity and the privilege to be
among those two percent of the people in the Economic Forum's and various others
you know business situations and what I found is at least 90% 80% of them let me
be critical 80% of them are fantastic human beings it is just that there is a
structure to climb and suddenly asking them to break the structure is not
practical and it's not going to work there may be about 15 percent or maximum
20 percent of the people are super arrogant about what they have
accumulated but the rest of them I have always found it's a pleasure to talk to
them because they're brilliant people they're not successful for nothing
they're brilliant people and believe me it is not love it is not compassion it's
not other things which is going to change this world
it's just sense we just have to have sensible human beings sense is what
needs to be kindled if you're sensible you understand the only way that all of
us can live well the only way we can exist in a certain way on this planet is
by doing certain things this sense is easy to bring into people who have a
certain level of intelligence naturally and they have exercised this
intelligence to accumulate because that is how we have structured the society
everybody is trying to accumulate but now we are talking against people who
have managed to do it we have not created a social structure where it's of
a different nature the social structure right from the school is how to be
better than the guy who's standing next to you so those who are successful we
should not resent that ever it's very important it is important the success is
acknowledged it is just that we want to make success
more universal not so narrow there's a saying in the African law when the lion
feeds everybody gets to eat because it doesn't need everything okay
he eats select parts rest others eat anyways so similarly this whole economic
engine that we have created is of a certain kind where human consciousness
is not shipping the Commerce Commerce is shaping the human consciousness this is
a topsy-turvy way of creating the world we are bound to pay a huge price for
this it is like if we succeed we will fail that's our situation there is a
there's a proverb in India about a classic situation like this where a man
is sitting on the wrong end of the branch and cutting the branch when he
succeeds he will fail that is the kind of economic model that we have created
if it really succeeds if all the seven billion people become super successful
that means the end of the world yes so now we have to have the courage that we
have come this far we have to have the courage to dismantle something that is
successful and remodeled this but we will wait for it to fail and then
remodel it which is a silly way of doing things we must have the courage to
change the model of how we have constructed this world when it's humming
with success do we have the wisdom and the courage and the consciousness to do
this that's a question but for that to happen we don't have to change 7 billion
people on the planet if we change the consciousness and the mindset of a
hundred people on the planet it can happen easily I'm not saying it's easy
or not it is a possibility between the possibility and the reality there is
always a distance to walk do we have the commitment
the courage to walk the distance that's all the question is well I think that
begs a question who's doing the walking I mean they're there we're here
but it's Kenny now I want to tell you a successful story of this is about 11
years ago a few responsible people in India came to one of our programs in the
center then they saw the projects in the works and whatever we were doing and
then they said so cool this is great but what about the nation I said say I don't
have to go and do everything in the nation that's not practical but we can
do this I have a list of 2000 people who can make a difference for this country
they're in different levels of leadership I'm not talking about Prime
Minister Chief Minister they come and go in five years but there is another set
of leadership which stays there for 25 to 30 years in position if you transform
these 2,000 people you will see the country will change they said two
thousand people well I can get all of them he said I said get them just get
them to me for four days well we don't in batches in four years are five years
they said they will do it now it's almost 11 years we have touched about 45
to 46 percent of them and quietly they're transforming the country no
question about it there is no fireworks happening but
transformation is like this when the flower blossoms there is no band being
beaten it just happens quietly and it is for
sure happening believe me I'm hands-on in touch with these people in many
different levels have they changed everything
no I'm saying if 10% of the way the thing can feel about everybody around
them changes there is a huge change and they are definitely doing it so these
are business leaders bureaucratically there's various people are different
they hold responsible positions for 25 to 30 years in the life of the nation
and that's making a big difference let maybe trying to context that example but
again getting back to the 85 people who are not bound to a country or tradition
or a connection perhaps to any particular philosophy and I think as
we've seen in this country and it has been reality shown by economists this
idea of creating situations where the wealthy the extremely wealthy are able
to make 10 10 20 30 40 percent of their money every year fundamentally because
they have access that no one else has and allows them to accumulate more and
continue this separation and then we talk about trickle-down economics which
there's not one example that has ever worked and it's like the example so far
and again I'm not against transformation I'm just talking about at least reality
that I've seen we're we have very seldom if ever the same despots dictators or
people in high levels of power voluntarily give up that power I'm not
at all that this is the whole thing say when it is spoken from outside they feel
threatened and they will only tighten their fortresses that's why I brought in
the example of Marx he thought the rich will do it but the poor wanted and it
never worked it's a great idea but gone bad because
you're trying to work it from the wrong end if Mark had Marx had devices to
transform the consciousness of the welding and then he talks about
communism that would have been the most fantastic thing okay but now you're
going on the street and those who have nothing are talking about sharing now it
becomes ugly now this whatever this ad particle that we're talking about
yep ten of them just one weekend I will see
that they transform the remaining 75 and I'm not somebody who lives in some dream
state I'm very much grounded I know this may look very looking at the world the
realities of the world I understand very much where you're coming from it's not
that I have not faced that situation every day I am against the wall okay but
a wall is not an impossible thing a wall need not be broken you can always have
the skill to climb across or you can make the other guy climb across I have
frequently been asked to speak at Aspen and typically it's associated with
having an event with affluent people and and sometimes in those situations I feel
like somebody in the zoo you know they brought this particular animal out to
look because that's a favorite animal that week and so I got invited to an
event following a talk at an individual's house and I would suggest
you that this home which was only 30,000 square feet probably was worth a
significant amount of money in that area and the gentleman who was hosting it was
in his 80s and he was a survivor of the Nazis and as a teenager and had become
an extraordinarily successful businessman and when you walk into his
home there is probably a painting that's 12 feet high of him standing with his
skis with the mountain behind him and I'm sure that there's no ego involved
there and then he proceeds to have a
conversation with me and I'm not quite sure because I wasn't particularly
important but he has a conversation with me and in the conversation he points to
his watch he says see this watch by custom million dollars so he said
there's only ten in the world this I can show you my garage it's a ten-car garage
there's ten million dollars boy who escaped the concentration camp he's
bound to have these things you should excuse him appreciate your comments so
as part of this conversation he's having with me he says you know in my entire
life I have never felt loved or have been able to give a love which is
horrible right here this man who nomally has everything has nothing so I talking
to him and it turns out he's divorced and he has children who are there
actually and I have two conversations for a while sage if you meet with me for
one hour day for the next 10 days I will change your entire outlook on life and
you will have love I guarantee it just like the Men's Wearhouse guy
so do not just so you know his first question is how much will it cost so I
say well this man's worth around a billion dollar I say it will cost you
$100,000 in an hour but I guarantee it he looks at me for a little bit he says
how about 50 ok so then his daughter overhears his conversation and she says
Papa you should do it she goes in fact this was his daughter she said I would
give up my entire inheritance to see you happy because I've never seen him happy
in my entire life you know his responses you don't
understand the value of money and that's how our conversation this is I'm not
sure if I could have done it two hours now I could have dined for free and for
any of you out there I will do it I'll try we need to we need to come to terms
with this today all of you are here in United States of America enjoying the
comforts that you are enjoying with a lot of complaints of course not
understanding at least materially you are living in the best possible space
that you can live in okay and this is all happened because you
chose a certain model of economic policy this policy of capitalism was a sensible
thing to choose when you only thought of your nationalistic way of existence when
you saw the rest of the world as a source for your whatever that system
will not work in future it may work for another 25 years after that it will not
work we have to reject this whole thing but first of all you must decide whether
you want a market economy like this or you want socialism or communism you must
decide if you go for market economy some people will race ahead if you want
to resent them then you must go for communism if you go for communism some
people will tell you what to eat what to wear where to sit were not a city if
that's ok with you it's fine I'm saying you cannot choose
to go in this direction and long to go in this direction
every system will have its negativities but I'm saying right now because we're
talking about transforming the world by transforming an individual human being I
think it's a tremendous possibility right now that the wealth is
concentrated in a few individuals hands if you transform them every human being
is willing to transform if you approach improperly for a man who values money so
much whoever the person that you were talking
about because he's come up you can understand the guy boy a little a young
boy who escaped concentration camp and who came to a new place you know in the
really a new world literally and built his life he thinks in a certain way he's
added up from pennies to billion dollars okay from one penny to penny has come
two billion dollars so that's all he thinks you should have talked money to
him if you ask me you should have offered it to him if you spend one hour
with me I'll give you $100,000 this is my team if you bring these 85 no no no
if you bring these 85 people to me I will give them $100,000 each they have
to spend a weekend with me you have to do it the way it works they are living
in this world we have to do it the way it works in this world people come to me
always you know even in the foundation we have a little over thirty six hundred
full-time volunteers and over 3 million part-time volunteers that's a laser
complaints and complaints and complains every day the number of complaints that
I handled you will kill you ok so people come to me I can't bear with this person
I can't work with this person I tell them see this is the kind of
people we have on this planet if you want to work with ideal people go to
heaven today leave today if you want to do some work in this world these are the
people
actually perhaps on that note maybe we should open it up to some questions and
there are microphones that are difficult questions for him nice questions for me
so my question is actually on pilots since the government there is going to
be changing increase soon and I wanted to find out you know hinduism
concentrates a lot about inner transformation but i see a lot of lack
of you know a social consciousness and service or as you term you know going
out and having a sense that you know this is my country
what do you see needs change in india why do you think it's like sorry why do
you think it's like I think because from early on I mean from ages no no no why
do you come to this conclusion that it's lacking I see it no it's not true you
were looking at it from a you're trying to put a template a Western template on
India which we were very proud that we are like a cosmic Yas understand we feel
homesick if there's too much order
do not misunderstand that as lack of you know passion for what it is there's an
enormous passion you should see you just see there is no other nation where such
a large Democratic exercise happens the way it happens in India no other country
in the planet can fulfill that believe me you should see how it happens even
the tourists in the remotest possibility where there's no road and electricity
even there he gets to vote okay it's a big thing anyway what is the possibility
the next five years if will be scintillating for India probably ten
years so big changes are going to happen for sure because what has been lacking
for India is an Indian has never been the leader of the country when I say
this I'm saying our education systems and India have been such once we get
English educated our brains are in Greenwich Mean Time yes so there is no
there is there has not been a leadership who understands people the way they are
somebody who will not ask Indian people to fit into another format which is not
theirs they made them they made ordinary people feel ashamed just because they
don't know how to speak English they can speak their mother tongue fluently but
people are ashamed that they can't speak English when you see nation is just an
idea let's understand this it's not some god-given thing it's just an idea if you
know a certain fashion in this idea nation becomes strong when you're
ashamed of being who you are how will it be passion about it for the
first time we are having a leadership which is passionate about who we are
okay this is very important this is over ten twelve thousand year old culture
which is so complex that you cannot put it into simple logical analysis that you
normally put other societies into because it is too complex and it's too
multi-dimensional multi-ethnic 'el everything multi okay it needs a very
organic leadership not a synthetic leadership which drops there because
somebody is somebody's son or daughter okay
that's what has happened in the last 30 years next question thank you very much
I'm wondering of other ways that she would suggest of turning that and
walking the four miles instead of the 24,000 miles you mentioned perhaps
finding a guru was one way so that was one question and also how does one find
a guru here in the United States thank you you must understand the basic human
predicament all that you experience all that you experience light and darkness
pain and pleasure agony and ecstasy whatever whatever everything that you
experience happens within you is that so do you see me right now do you see me
right now where am i use your hands and point out how you got me all wrong you
know I'm a mistake now this light is falling upon me reflecting going through
your lenses inverted image in the retina where do you see me now within yourself
where you hear me right now within yourself where have you seen the whole
world within yourself have you ever experienced anything outside of yourself
your entire experience of life happens only within you
so what is happening within you to make it happen the way you want it is not
something that's beyond you it is just that right now all the five sense organs
the five faculties of perception are all outward bound if I do this you can hear
this but so much activity in the body you cannot hear this if an ant crawls
upon your hand you can feel it so much blood flowing you cannot feel it in the
very nature of things sense organs an outward bound because there survive
there are instruments of survival but the seat of your experiences within you
this is your fundamental predicament you need a sense which can turn inward if
you have access to the basis of your experience would you create highest
level of pleasantness for yourself or misery definitely highest level of
pleasantness isn't it the problem is not of intent the problem is of excess so do
you need some guidance on this for sure you do so don't use the word guru
because it's supposed to be a four-letter word in California it has
all kinds of wrong connotations yeah GPS right now if you buy the GPS you buy
from the best company yes whichever is working well the same thing you must do
you must ask the maximum number of people if it's working well for all of
them you can do it too and anyway if you buy a GPS you're not
committed to it for life if it works you keep it otherwise you throw it same
thing with me I will give you something that works you keep it otherwise threw
it what's the problem
you paying more to buy a pair of shoes she's asking a hundred thousand dollars
in our
I exist and just asking for the costs of the hall and the microphone and the
stuff okay because I have produced a large a large large a huge mass of
slaves who are willing to work seven days of the week 365 days to provide
this for you you understand not waste their lives
make it happen for yourself what you don't do I think you must look at
yourself very carefully because the children are picking up everything
rapidly and they'll exaggerate everything that you're doing
so one foremost thing is at least make yourself in such a way but you would
like to be somebody may not approve it doesn't matter at least you've made
yourself in such a way that you like the way you are gurus know women will not
make good gurus nor will men make good buckaroos unless you know how to be
beyond the - you can't be this if you're a man or a woman if you're stuck with
your gender then there's no chance of being a guru because you're looking at
the mechanics of life in a completely different way you're just looking at
life as life all the problems on the planet is simply because everybody has
their own mission and these missions are creating variety of conflict if all of
us sit here without any mission mission means an assumed position of importance
and agenda individual agenda if all of us can sit here what is a
human being longing for every human being all of you wherever you are right
now you would like to be little more than what you're right now isn't it
something hello yes if that little more happens what little more if that happens
what so it looks like in installments you're going towards something how much
more would settle you for good let's look at it right now
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