>> ANDREW: IT IS THURSDAY,
JANUARY 4TH.
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
>> Adrienne: TONIGHT, ONTARIO'S
PREMIER
CALLS THE TIM HORTONS FRANCHISEE
A BULLY.
AS SOME EMPLOYEES WONDER
HOW A PAY RAISE MAY LEAVE LESS
IN THEIR POCKETS.
>> Ian: ALBERT SCHULTZ BOWS OUT
OF THE THEATRE COMPANY HE
FOUNDED.
>> Andrew: WE BEGIN WITH A BOMB
CYCLONE OF WINTER
EXPLODING ACROSS ATLANTIC CANADA
THE STORM GOES ALL THE WAY FROM
CAROLINAS TO CAPE BRETON.
IT IS A DIABOLICAL COMBINATION
OF HEAVY SNOW, HURRICANE FORCED
WIND AND BITTER COLD.
A STORM SURGE FLOODED THE ICY
STREETS IN PARTS OF
MASSACHUSETTS, CREATING A
DANGEROUS SITUATION.
IN BOSTON, THIS ROAD BECAME AN
ICY RIVER.
WHEN THE SEA WALL FAILED.
WHILE SNOW AND WIND MADE FOR
WHITEOUT CONDITIONS ELSEWHERE.
IN PARTS OF NEW BRUNSWICK, HEAVY
SNOW FELL ALL DAY.
THE AUTHORITIES PLEADED WITH
PEOPLE TO STAY OFF THE ROADS.
AND IN NOVA SCOTIA, HIGH WINDS
AND FREEZING RAIN PRESENTED THE
BIGGEST CHALLENGES.
LET'S START OUR COVERAGE WITH A
LOOK AT THE SCENE NEAR HALIFAX
TONIGHT.
THIS IS THE COMMUNITY OF EASTERN
PASSAGE, WHERE A STORM SURGE IS
ROLLING THROUGH.
YOU CAN SEE THE WAVES PUSHING
THEIR WAY IN TOWARD LAND.
THE CBC'S KAYLA HOUNSELL HAS
MORE ON THE SITUATION.
IN NOVA SCOTIA.
>> Reporter: IT BARELY STARTED
WHEN IT BECAME CLEAR THE
WIND WOULD BE THE MAJOR CONCERN.
FROM NOVA SCOTIA'S CAPITAL TO
THE PROVINCE'S SOUTH SHORE...
>> INTERVIEW: DOWN HERE, IT WILL
BE BRUTAL.
I LIVE DOWN HERE.
>> REPORTER: AND EVERYWHERE IN
BETWEEN, THE WIND ROCKED BOATS,
RIPPED OFF SHINGLES AND KNOCKED
OUT POWER FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS.
>> INTERVIEW: THOSE FORECAST
HAVING UPWARD OF 110 TO 140 KM/H
WINDS AND SUSTAINED WINDS AS
WELL WHICH CAN REALLY CAUSE A
LOT OF FALLEN TREES ON THE
LINES.
>> Reporter: NOVA SCOTIA POWER
IS WARNING THE CUSTOMERS THEY
MAY BE OFF THE GRID UNTIL EARLY
NEXT WEEK.
IN THE COMMUNITY OF INDIAN
POINT, THE FIRE CHIEF SET UP A
WARMING CENTRE AND VOLUNTEERS
CALL AROUND TO MAKE SURE
EVERYBODY IS OKAY.
>> INTERVIEW: WE HAVE A LIST OF
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE
SAY VULNERABLE, OLDER, MAYBE NOT
AS MOBILE AS OTHER PEOPLE.
AND SO WE KEEP IN TOUCH WITH
THEM.
>> REPORTER: HE IS MAKING HOUSE
CALLS.
>> SHE IS BLOWING, HEY.
I JUST CAME TO SEE HOW YOU ARE
DOING.
>> REPORTER: LARRY EISENER LIVES
IN A TRAILER WITH HIS SISTER.
THEY ARE GETTING OVER THE LAST
STORM ON CHRISTMAS DAY.
THEY LOST POWER FOR TWO DAYS.
>> INTERVIEW: NO PHONE.
NOTHING.
IT WAS PRETTY BAD.
I DON'T THINK I EXPERIENCED THAT
EVER IN MY LIFE.
AS COLD AS THAT.
>> REPORTER: THEY ARE BRACING
FOR WHAT IS TO COME WHEN THE
WIND IS DONE WITH THEM THIS
TIME.
>> INTERVIEW: WE ARE HERE IN THE
WIDE OPEN AND THAT.
AND THE TRAILER IS OLD.
AND IT IS A HOME, YOU KNOW,
IT IS NOT A FANCY HOME.
IT IS A ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD.
>> Reporter: WITH THE REGION
SEEING GUSTS OF 110
KM/H, MOST FLIGHTS WERE
GROUNDED.
>> I AM GOING TO SHERBROOKE.
>> VANCOUVER IS WHERE OUR
GRANDPA IS PASSING AWAY.
WE ARE HOPING TO GET THERE FOR A
VISIT,
AND NOT A FUNERAL.
>> Reporter: HALIFAX MAYOR SAID
THE
STORM IS NOT OVER YET.
>> INTERVIEW: IT IS EXPECTED TO
BE AT THE WORST AT DIFFERENT
POINTS GUSTING THROUGHOUT THE
NIGHT.
>> REPORTER: WITH THE STORM
SURGE WARNINGS IN EFFECT, THE
OFFICIALS ARE WARNING ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF FLOODING IN
COASTAL AREAS OVERNIGHT.
CBC NEWS, INDIAN POINT, NOVA
SCOTIA.
>> ANDREW: THE STORM ALSO
BARRELED INTO NEW BRUNSWICK.
BLANKETING JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING
IN A LAYER OF WHITE.
AND THE BLOW COMES ON A
SIGNIFICANT DATE FOR THE
PROVINCE.
OUR
HARRY FORESTELL HAS MORE.
HOW BADLY HAS NEW BRUNSWICK BEEN
HAMMERED?
>> REPORTER: WE GOT HAMMERED
PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD TODAY,
ANDREW.
I DON'T KNOW THE SNOW TOTALS
YET.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE GOT CLOSE TO
THE PROJECTED 40 CENTIMETRES OF
SNOW IN THE FREDERICTON AREA.
AND THROUGH OTHER PARTS OF THE
PROVINCE.
OF COURSE,
THERE IS MORE COMING TONIGHT.
RIGHT NOW, WE ARE PELTED WITH
ICE PELLETS AND HEAVY GUSTS OF
WIND.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT
NEW BRUNSWICKERS IS PAST
EXPERIENCE HAS TAUGHT THEM WHEN
TO PAY ATTENTION.
THIS, OF COURSE, IS THE 20th
ANNIVERSARY OF
THE TERRIBLE ICE STORM THAT TORE
THROUGH ONTARIO AND QUEBEC IN
1998.
AND TORE THROUGH NEW BRUNSWICK
AS WELL.
THEN LAST YEAR, WE HAD THE
PROBLEM IN NORTH EASTERN NEW
BRUNSWICK, A MAJOR ICE STORM
THAT LEFT PEOPLE THERE WITHOUT
POWER FOR MORE THAN A WEEK.
SO WHEN EMERGENCY OFFICIALS AND
POLICE WARN NEW BRUNSWICKERS
TODAY THAT IT WAS BEST FOR THEM
TO STAY OFF THE ROADS, THEY
LISTENED.
THE ROAD BEHIND ME AT NOON TODAY
WAS BUMPER TO BUMPER WITH
TRAFFIC.
PEOPLE SCRAMBLED TO GET HOME.
THE AUTHORITIES HAD INSTRUCTED
THEM.
BUSINESSES, OFFICES,
SCHOOLS, UNIVERSITY CAMPUSES,
ALL CLOSED TODAY AND SENT PEOPLE
HOME.
AND THAT MADE IT MUCH EASIER FOR
THE PLOWS TO GET AROUND ON THE
ROAD TODAY.
WE HAD GUSTS OF WIND.
NOTHING LIKE WHAT THEY HAD IN
NOVA SCOTIA.
BUT STILL, EXPECTING 90 KM/H
GUSTS THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE
NIGHT TONIGHT.
AND REALLY THE CONCERN HAS BEEN
ON THE CONDITION OF THE ROADS.
AT ONE POINT, POLICE HAD CLOSED
PARTS OF HIGHWAY 1 AND THE
TRANS-CANADA HIGHWAY NUMBER 2,
THEY WARNED PEOPLE TO STAY OFF
THAT ROAD.
FOR THE MOST PART, PEOPLE APPEAR
TO HAVE PAID ATTENTION.
AND THAT MADE CLEANING THE ROADS
A LOT EASIER.
>> ANDREW: CAN I ASK YOU
VERY
QUICKLY, ARE WE EXPECTING THINGS
TO IMPROVE TOMORROW?
>> REPORTER: EVENTUALLY, I AM
SURE THEY WILL.
NOT ONLY TONIGHT.
-- NOT OVERNIGHT TONIGHT.
WE ARE EXPECTING MORE ICE
FLUCTUATING TEMPERATURES, AND
GOODNESS KNOWS WHAT WE WILL SEE
BY TOMORROW MORNING, THE ROADS
WILL BE GREASY.
I AM SURE THE PLOWS WILL WORK
ALL NIGHT TO KEEP THEM CLEAR,
ANDREW.
>> ANDREW: ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>> IN PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND
TONIGHT, THIS IS A VERY EMPTY
CONFEDERATION BRIDGE.
AT ONE POINT IT WAS CLOSED TO
ALL VEHICLES.
THEY ARE ALSO DEALING WITH
WHITEOUT
CONDITIONS THERE.
>>> NOW, ANOTHER REMARKABLE
THING ABOUT THIS SYSTEM WE HAVE
GIVEN YOU A HINT OF IS THE SHEER
SIZE.
IT ALSO BATTERED THE U.S. EAST
COAST TODAY.
MORE THAN A DOZEN STATES WERE ON
THE RECEIVING END OF IT.
SNOW, HIGH WIND AND COLD.
STEVEN D'SOUZA IN NEW YORK SHOWS
US HOW BAD THINGS GOT.
>> REPORTER: LIKE A HURRICANE IN
JANUARY, THE BOMB CYCLONE SENT
ATLANTIC WATERS TURNING, AND
WAVES CRASHING ON COASTAL TOWNS
IN MASSACHUSETTS.
THE COMBINATION OF HIGH TIDE,
WITH A MASSIVE WINTER STORM MADE
ITS PEAK AT THE SAME TIME, MADE
FOR TREACHEROUS CONDITIONS.
AND LEFT RESIDENTS SCRAMBLING
FOR SAFETY.
>> IT REALLY SHOCKED US.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FLOOD
WARNINGS OR EVACUATION ORDERS,
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> REPORTER: IN BOSTON, A NEAR
RECORD STORM SURGE TURNED
SNOW COVERED
STREETS INTO SLUSHY RIVERS.
SOME TRIED DRIVING THROUGH.
OTHERS TRUDGED ALONG ON FOOT.
BUT MANY WERE STUCK IN THE ICY
MESS, FORCING DRAMATIC RESCUES
BY BOAT.
THE STORM BRINGING CONDITIONS
NOT SEEN IN THE CITY SINCE THE
LATE '70S.
FROM SPACE, IT IS CLEAR, THIS
SYSTEM IS A MONSTER, SLOWLY
WORKING ITS WAY UP THE COAST
WITH A DANGEROUS MIX OF SNOW AND
HIGH WINDS.
IN NORTH CAROLINA, SEVERAL
DEATHS WERE BLAMED ON THE
WEATHER.
>> THERE IT GOES.
>> REPORTER: IN NEW JERSEY, GAS
AND ELECTRICITY WERE SHUT OFF BY
-- BEFORE
WIND GUSTS TOPPLED THE ROOF OF
THE GAS STATION.
WITH THE HIGHWAYS A MESS, THE
GOVERNOR DECLARED A STATE OF
EMERGENCY.
IN NEW YORK, THE SNOW CAME FAST
EARLY IN THE DAY.
THERE TOO THE MAYOR DECLARED A
SNOW EMERGENCY.
SCHOOLS WERE SHUT DOWN.
AND BY MIDDAY, WHITEOUT
CONDITIONS FORCED THE SUSPENSION
OF ALL FLIGHTS OUT OF JFK.
LAGUARDIA.
>> BETWEEN THE LOW TEMPERATURE,
THE STRONG WINDS, AND THE
DRIVING SNOW, EVERYONE SHOULD
TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY AND
TAKE PRECAUTIONS.
>> REPORTER: AS THE STORM MOVES
NORTH, THE FOCUS HERE TURNED TO
WHAT IS NEXT.
A BLAST OF ARCTIC AIR IS MOVING
IN.
BRINGING WITH IT RECORD COLD
TEMPERATURES THAT WILL LAST
THROUGH THE WEEKEND.
IN NEW ENGLAND, THE HOPE IS THAT
THE WORST OF THE FLOODING IS
OVER AND THAT THE WATER WILL
RECEDE BEFORE WINTER'S ICY GRIP
TAKES HOLD.
CBC NEWS, NEW YORK.
>> Andrew: YIKES.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
METEOROLOGIST JOHANNA WAGSTAFFE
TRACKING THE STORM FOR US.
SHE WILL JOIN US IN 20 MINUTES
WITH AN UPDATE.
FIRST, ADRIENNE,
YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING A STORY
OUT OF ONTARIO THAT GOT THE
PREMIER HERSELF VERY UPSET.
>> Adrienne: INDEED,
THINGS CAN REALLY HEAT UP,
ANDREW, WHEN GOOD INTENTIONS
DON'T LAND AS PLANNED.
LET'S START BY HEARING FROM A
TIM HORTONS WORKER WHOSE
IDENTITY WE AGREED TO HIDE.
>> I TRULY BELIEVE KATHLEEN
WYNNE IS DOING THE RIGHT THING
BY INCREASING OUR MINIMUM WAGE.
I FEEL THAT THEY DID NOT THINK
IT THROUGH.
>> ADRIENNE: IMAGINE IF YOU GOT
A BIG RAISE, NEARLY 18%, ONLY TO
FIND OUT YOU WILL BE TAKING
HOME LESS MONEY.
THE MINIMUM HOURLY WAGE IN
ONTARIO ROSE TO $14.
SOME BOSSES RESPONDED BY CUTTING
HOURS, PAID BENEFITS AND OTHER
PERKS.
TODAY, THE PREMIER HERSELF CAME
OUT SWINGING AGAINST SUCH MOVES.
BUT AS JACQUELINE HANSEN TELLS
US, THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE AND
IT IS TOUGH TO SAY WHO HAS WON
AND WHO HAS LOST.
>> REPORTER: THIS SMALL TOWN
COFFEE SHOP IS NOW A POSTER
CHILD FOR THE UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES OF THE MINIMUM WAGE
HIKE.
THE EMPLOYEES RECEIVED THIS
LETTER FROM THE STORE'S OWNERS.
SAYING THAT DUE TO THE WAGE
INCREASES, AND THE LACK OF
ASSISTANCE AND FINANCIAL HELP
FROM OUR HEAD OFFICE AND FROM
THE GOVERNMENT, BREAKS WILL NO
LONGER BE PAID AND LONG-TERM
EMPLOYEES WILL NOW BE REQUIRED
TO PAY HALF THE COST OF THEIR
BENEFITS.
>> REPORTER: THE TIM HORTONS
EMPLOYEE AGREED TO SPEAK TO CBC
NEWS ON CONDITION OF ANONYMITY.
FACTORING IN FEWER PAID HOURS
AND THE COST OF COVERING THEIR
BENEFITS, THE EMPLOYEE ESTIMATES
THAT EVERY TWO WEEKS, THEY WILL
TAKE HOME $50 LESS.
>> REPORTER: A GROUP
REPRESENTING SOME FRANCHISEES
SAID IT HOPES TO RAISE MENU
PRICES TO HELP OFFSET THE HIGHER
LABOUR COST.
IT SAYS WHILE OTHER COMPETITORS
HAVE RECEIVED CONCESSIONS FROM
THEIR FRANCHISORS, UNFORTUNATELY
OUR CHAIN HAS NOT.
MANY OF OUR STORE OWNERS ARE
LEFT NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO
IMPLEMENT COST SAVING MEASURES
IN ORDER TO SURVIVE.
THAT IS NOT HOW ONTARIO'S
PREMIER SEES IT.
>> I THINK IT IS BULLYING.
IT IS TAKING OUT ON PEOPLE WHO
REALLY -- WHO HAVE NOT GOT THE
ABILITY TO FIGHT BACK.
AND I THINK IT IS VINDICTIVE.
>> REPORTER: TIM HORTONS IS ONE
FLASHPOINT IN THE MINIMUM WAGE
DEBATE.
>> RESTAURANTS IN ONTARIO RUN ON
THE THINNEST MARGINS IN THE
COUNTRY.
WE WILL SEE REDUCTION IN SERVICE
HOURS, WE WILL SEE LAYOFFS
UNFORTUNATELY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE WILL HAVE
COST PASSED TO THE CONSUMERS.
>> REPORTER: THAT SEEMS TO BE
THE BOTTOM LINE.
SOMEONE HAS TO SHOULDER THE COST
OF THAT BIG RAISE.
CUSTOMERS, OWNERS, OR WORKERS.
JACQUELINE HANSEN, CBC NEWS,
COBOURG, ONTARIO.
>> ADRIENNE: NOW, IN THE MINIMUM
WAGE CONVERSATION THE COUNTRY IS
HAVING, THERE IS A CONSTANT PUSH
AND PULL BETWEEN THE COST AND
BENEFITS TO WORKERS AND THEIR
BOSSES.
THE MATH IS ON A LOT OF MINDS.
WE REACHED OUT TO THE GROUP
THAT REPRESENTS MORE THAN 500
TIM HORTONS
FRANCHISEES.
TO THEM, THE 2.40 INCREASE IS
ACTUALLY A LOT
MORE THAN THAT.
HERE IS HOW THEY BREAK IT DOWN.
FACTOR IN ADDITIONAL COSTS
INCLUDING CPP, EI AND TRAINING,
AND IT IS ACTUALLY 3.35 EXTRA AN
HOUR.
AFTER A YEAR'S WORTH OF SERVING
DOUGHNUTS AND COFFEES, THAT
MEANS AN ADDED COST TO THE
FRANCHISEE OF $7,000 PER
FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE.
STILL WITH US?
GIVEN AN AVERAGE OF 35 EMPLOYEES
PER FRANCHISE, THAT IS $243,000
A YEAR.
THE HIT TO THE BOTTOM LINES FROM
THE MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE IN
ONTARIO, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 4 AND
7%.
IAN, YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON A
NATIONAL INVESTIGATION THAT WE
AIRED LAST NIGHT INTO ACTOR
ALBERT SCHULTZ.
>> WHEN YOU IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS
-- SPOKE TO IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS
YESTERDAY, SHE TALKED ABOUT HOW
QUICKLY IT MOVED.
IT CONTINUES TO DO THAT.
ALBERT SCHULTZ IS OUT.
THE LONG TIME ARTISTIC DIRECTOR
HAS RESIGNED BOWING TO PRESSURE
AFTER SEXUAL MISCONDUCT CLAIMS
AGAINST HIM PLUNGED THE COMPANY
INTO CONTROVERSY.
HE ISSUED A STATEMENT SAYING...
>> WHILE I CONTINUE TO
VIGOROUSLY DEFEND MYSELF AGAINST
THE ALLEGATIONS BEING MADE.
I MADE THIS DECISION IN THE
INTEREST OF THE FUTURE OF THE
COMPANY INTO WHICH I POURED THE
LAST 20 YEARS OF MY LIFE AND IN
THE INTEREST OF THE ASPERATIONS
OF THE ARTISTS AND
ADMINISTRATORS OF THE COMPANY.
FOUR WOMEN AND THE LEGAL TEAM
DETAILED THE CIVIL SUIT AGAINST
SCHULTZ, LIFTING THE CURTAIN ON
WHAT THEY SAID WAS A TOXIC
WORKPLACE.
>> I WAS THERE FOR 12 SEASONS.
SO THERE WERE A LOT OF INSTANCES
OVER THE YEARS OF EITHER
UNWANTED TOUCHING OR GROPING.
>> IAN: THE WOMEN SAID BULLYING
AND UNWANTED SEXUAL TOUCHING
WERE REGULAR OCCURRENCES.
THEY WERE AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT
BECAUSE THEY COULD LOSE ROLES
AND OPPORTUNITIES.
HANNAH MILLER DOES NOT WANT
OTHERS TO GO THROUGH THAT.
>> FOR WOMEN OUT THERE WHO ARE
YOUNG ACTRESSES, WHO ARE AT THE
START OF THEIR CAREER, HAVE THE
STRENGTH TO DESERVE WHAT YOU
DESERVE.
AND THAT IS A SAFE WORK
ENVIRONMENT.
AND A SAFE PLACE FOR YOU TO MAKE
ART.
>> IAN: THE STORY IS CLOSELY
FOLLOWED BY MANY IN THE ACTING
COMMUNITY IN CANADA.
MANY ACTORS ARE WONDERING WHAT
IMPACT IT MAY HAVE ON THEM.
>> NO WONDER YOU DIDN'T REPORT
THIS.
>> REPORTER: NEWS OF THE
ALLEGATIONS AGAINST ALBERT
SCHULTZ SPREAD FAST, DOMINATING
CONVERSATION AT THE REHEARSAL
FOR A PLAY, FITTINGLY ABOUT
SEXUAL HARASSMENT.
>> IT WAS SHOCK AND AWE MIXED
WITH ELATION.
AND THEN A BIT OF HESITATION.
THERE IS THE WHOLE,
NOW WHAT.
>> REPORTER: THE UNIVERSITY
THEATRE, THE GUEST DIRECTOR IS
THINKING BACK ON
HER TIME WORKING WITH SOULPEPPER
AND ALBERT SCHULTZ.
>> Interview: HE HAS CREATED A
CULTURE THAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED
WHERE IT IS NARCISSISTIC AND
POWER DRIVEN.
>> Reporter: WITH THE
ALLEGATIONS OF
HARASSMENT AGAINST ONE OF THE
TOP STARS OF CANADIAN THEATRE,
AND THE NEWS OF HIS RESIGNATION
FROM SOULPEPPER, THE ACTING
STUDENTS ARE LEARNING THEIR
LINES AND ARE WORRYING ABOUT
THEIR FUTURE.
>> IT IS TERRIFYING, HONESTLY.
BEING IN THE INDUSTRY AS A WOMAN
IS TERRIFYING.
>> IT IS A SHAME NONETHELESS.
IT IS NOTHING NEW AND IT IS JUST
SOMETHING
I HAVE LEARNED I WILL HAVE TO
DEAL WITH.
>> REPORTER: SHE DOESN'T BELIEVE
THIS...
>> THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
WE ARE AT A CROSS ROADS WHERE
MEANINGFUL CHANGE CAN HAPPEN.
LET'S DO THAT.
>> REPORTER: SHE POINTS TO A
NEW
PROGRAM FOR THE UNION AND
THEATRE ASSOCIATION CALLED NOT
IN OUR SPACE.
THAT PROMOTES ZERO TOLERANCE FOR
BULLYING AND HARASSMENT.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, GETTING
THEATRE ACTORS TO REPORT
INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR.
>> THEY MAY DECIDE THEY WILL NOT
REPORT NOW BECAUSE THERE ARE
ONLY TWO MORE WEEKS.
OR THERE ARE ONLY 14 MORE SHOWS.
THEY WILL GRIT THEIR TEETH.
>> REPORTER: THAT MAY CHANGE.
AS OTHER ACTORS LOOK TO THE
WOMEN SPEAKING OUT.
WITH ALLEGATIONS
SCHULTZ SAYS HE WILL DEFEND THE
-- VEHEMENTLY.
>> IAN: FOR MORE ON THIS, WE ARE
JOINED BY AN EMPLOYMENT LAWYER
HERE IN TORONTO.
THE WOMEN IN THE CASE COULD HAVE
FOLLOWED ONE OF THREE PATHS.
THEY COULD HAVE GONE PUBLIC,
HELD A NEWS CONFERENCE AND LEFT
IT THERE.
THEY COULD HAVE GONE TO THE
POLICE AND INITIATED A CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION.
OR IN THIS CASE, WHAT THEY DID
IS GO TO A LAWYER AND START A
CIVIL LAWSUIT.
YOU THINK THEY MADE THE RIGHT
CHOICE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
THE CRIMINAL PROCESS IS A
GRUELING ONE FOR VICTIMS.
THE STANDARD IS VERY HIGH TO GET
A CONVICTION AGAINST THE
ACCUSED.
AND THEN THE OUTCOME IS FOCUSSED
ON THE SENTENCING OF THE
ACCUSED, NOT REDRESS FOR THE
VICTIM.
IN A CIVIL CONTEXT, THE OUTCOME
IS FOCUSSED ON REDRESS FOR THE
VICTIM.
AND THE STANDARD IS ACTUALLY
MUCH LOWER.
IT IS EASIER TO PROVE THE CASE.
>> IAN: LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE OF
THE POINTS.
WHEN PEOPLE GO TO THE POLICE,
THEY DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
IF IN FACT ANYTHING HAPPENS
NEXT.
IN A CIVIL LAWSUIT, YOU
REPRESENT PLAINTIFFS IN CIVIL
LAWSUITS, TALK ABOUT THE CONTROL
THEY HAVE ON THE PROCESS NOW.
>> INTERVIEW: IN THE CRIMINAL
CONTEXT, THE POLICE AND THE
CROWN HAVE THE CONTROL.
AND THEY GOVERN THE PROCESS.
IN A CIVIL CONTEXT, THE
PLAINTIFFS ARE THE ONES THAT
START THE CASE AND THEY WORK
WITH THEIR LAWYERS TO MOVE
THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THEY ARE THE ONES IN CONTROL.
>> IAN: YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW
THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM A
CRIMINAL PROCESS, WHERE IT IS
DIFFERENT FROM SIMPLY GOING
PUBLIC AS WELL.
THERE COULD BE DAMAGES AT THE
END OF THIS.
WE HEARD ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY ARE
ASKING FOR.
BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, IS
THAT WHAT A PLAINTIFF USUALLY
REALLY WANTS OR IS THERE A BIT
OF -- IT IS ASPIRATIONAL.
>> Interview: THERE IS INFLATION
THERE USUALLY.
THEY ARE HOPING
FOR PROBABLY A GOOD NUMBER.
BUT NOT AS HIGH AS WHAT THEY
HAVE PUT IN THE STATEMENT OF
CLAIM.
>> IAN: BASED ON YOUR
EXPERIENCE, WHAT IS THE
LIKELIHOOD, DO YOU THINK, THIS
WILL END UP IN A TRIAL?
>> INTERVIEW: IT IS VERY LOW
LIKELIHOOD OF IT GOING TO A
TRIAL.
MOST OF THE CASES RESOLVE.
THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED FOR
RESOLUTION AT ANY STAGE.
STARTING RIGHT NOW, THEY COULD
SIT DOWN, IF BOTH PARTIES ARE
READY TO TALK ABOUT RESOLUTION,
THEY CAN SIT DOWN ANY TIME
BEFORE A TRIAL.
>> IAN: ONE QUICK THING, ALMOST
IN EVERY CIVIL CASE I KNOW
THERE IS AN AGREEMENT NOT TO
PUBLICLY DISCLOSE THE TERMS AND
SO IS THAT USUALLY PART OF THE
PACKAGE?
>> INTERVIEW: IT IS ALMOST
MANDATORY.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT THIS TO GO
PUBLIC AFTERWARDS.
ANY SORT OF PAYMENT WILL LOOK
LIKE AN ADMISSION.
WHEN IT REALLY IS JUST A
COMPROMISE.
THERE IS A CONFIDENTIALITY
COMPONENT.
TO ANY SETTLEMENT OF THIS TYPE.
>> IAN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> ANDREW: AND STILL AHEAD ON
"THE NATIONAL" MORE ON OUR TOP
STORIES.
THE MASSIVE WINTER STORM HITTING
THE MARITIMES.
METEOROLOGIST,
JOHANNA WAGSTAFFE IS TRACKING IT
ALL FOR US.
>> IAN: JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS STILL
RIDING HIGH IN THE POLLS.
WHAT CAN THE OPPOSITION DO THIS
YEAR TO BREAKTHROUGH?
THAT IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS
THAT THE "AT ISSUE" PANEL WILL
ANSWER.
>> ADRIENNE: THE WHITE HOUSE IS
IN DAMAGE CONTROL TONIGHT,
BRACING FOR THE RELEASE OF A
BOOK THAT DESCRIBES THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION AS UTTER CHAOS.
>> DISGRACEFUL AND LAUGHABLE.
IF HE WAS UNFIT, HE PROBABLY
WOULDN'T BE SITTING THERE.
WOULDN'T HAVE DEFEATED THE MOST
QUALIFIED GROUP OF CANDIDATES
THE REPUBLICAN PAR
>> HE CALLED ME A GREAT MAN LAST
NIGHT.
HE
>> PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: HE
--
OBVIOUSLY CHANGED HIS TUNE
PRETTY QUICK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW.
>> ADRIENNE: THE U.S. PRESIDENT
DONALD TRUMP TAKING ANOTHER SHOT
AT HIS FORMER TOP ADVISOR STEVE
BANNON TODAY.
OVER NEGATIVE COMMENTS THAT
APPEAR IN THE UPCOMING BOOK
ABOUT THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE BY
AUTHOR MICHAEL WOLF WOLF.
AN EXCERPT TRIGGERED A FURIOUS
RESPONSE.
TRUMP'S LAWYER HAVE THREATENED
LEGAL ACTION AGAINST BOTH MEN
AND ARE TRYING TO BLOCK THE BOOK
FROM COMING OUT AT ALL.
ALL OF THIS DRAMA HAS FANNED THE
FLAMES OF PUBLIC INTEREST.
AND AS PAUL HUNTER REPORTS,
THERE WAS PLENTY OF FIRE AND
FURY ALREADY TODAY.
>> REPORTER: WITH EXCERPT AFTER
SALACIOUS EXPERT, DROPPING JAWS,
JEFRP -- EVERYWHERE, ON
PREORDERS ALONE,
IT IS ALREADY THE BEST SELLING
BOOK IN AMERICA.
TIDBITS ON DONALD TRUMP, WHITE
HOUSE INSIDERS WHO CALL HIM AN
IDIOT.
A FOOL.
A MORON.
SENIOR ADVISOR KELLYANNE CONWAY
SAID TO HAVE PUT A FINGER GUN TO
HER HEAD BEHIND HIS BACK AND
REMEMBER THE DAY, THEN PRESS
SECRETARY SEAN SPICER FALSELY
SAID...
>> THIS WAS THE LARGEST AUDIENCE
TO EVER WITNESS AN INAUGURATION
PERIOD.
>> Reporter: IMMEDIATELY
DISPROVEN, SURPRISER PRESSED
UPON TO JUSTIFY THAT CROWD.
MUTTERING A VULGAR VERSION OF
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
FOR THE SECOND STRAIGHT DAY, THE
WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY
TRIED TO PUT A SHINE ON IT.
>> IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING, YOU
KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS A WINNER.
>> Reporter: NONETHELESS, SHE
WAS ASKED TO ON THE BOOK'S
SUGGESTION TRUMP IS MENTALLY
UNFIT TO SERVE, SHE SAID.
>> IT IS DISGRACEFUL AND
LAUGHABLE.
IF HE WAS UNFIT, HE PROBABLY
WOULDN'T BE SITTING THERE.
>> REPORTER: AND THERE WAS PUSH
BACK TODAY AGAINST THE BOOK'S
AUTHOR MICHAEL WOLFF WHO WAS
WANTED BROAD ACCESS IN THE WEST
WING FOR HIS RESEARCH.
>> I WILL NOT GO THROUGH EVERY
SINGLE
PAGE OF THE BOOK.
>> REPORTER: SANDERS CHALLENGED
THE CLAIM TRUMP DID NOT KNOW WHO
JOHN BOEHNER WAS, THE FORMER
HOUSE SPEAKER CALLING THAT
RIDICULOUS.
>> CONSIDERING THE MAJORITY OF
YOU HAVE SEEN PHOTOS AND FRANKLY
SOME OF YOU HAVE TWEETED OUT
THAT THE PRESIDENT NOT ONLY
KNOWS HIM BUT PLAYED GOLF WITH
HIM, TWEETED ABOUT HIM.
THAT IS PRETTY SIMPLE AND PRETTY
BASIC.
>> REPORTER: STILL, THE OVERALL
PICTURE OF WHAT WOLFF CALLS HIS
INSANE YEAR IN THE WHITE HOUSE
HAS SO RILED THE PRESIDENT, THE
-- TRUMP FIRED BACK THROUGH HIS
LAWYERS, SEEKING TO BLOCK
PUBLICATION AND DEMANDING AN
APOLOGY.
THE RESPONSE, THEY MOVED UP THE
BOOK'S
RELEASE DATE UNTIL TOMORROW.
PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS,
WASHINGTON.
>> ADRIENNE: WHO IS MICHAEL
WOLFF?
LIKE TRUMP, HIMSELF, THE POPULAR
AUTHOR AND
COLUMNIST IS FROM NEW YORK LIKE
TRUMP AND LIKES TO BE WHERE THE
ACTION IS.
HIS BREAKTHROUGH BESTSELLER
COVERED THE '90S.COM ERA.
HE MADE HIS NAME FOCUSSING ON
AMERICA'S RICH AND POWERFUL.
WOLFF HAS BEEN PRAISED AND
DERIDED FOR HIS WRITING ON MEDIA
MOGULS, ESPECIALLY FOX AND
RUPERT MURDOCH.
>>> ACROSS THE UNITED STATES,
AND IN PARTS OF CANADA, TOO,
MARIJUANA COMPANIES PLUMMETED IN
VALUE TODAY, SOME BY MORE THAN A
THIRD, ALL AFTER THE U.S.
ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS
ROLLED BACK AN BOTTOM -- OBAMA
POLICY
THAT HELPED LEGALIZED POT BY NOT
ENFORCING FEDERAL LAWS.
THAT LEEWAY IS GONE.
>> A MAJORITY OF STATES NOW IN
THIS COUNTRY, HAVE LEGALIZED
MARIJUANA IN SOME CAPACITY.
IT IS TELLING THOSE VOTERS IN
SHOWS STATES THAT THEY KNOW
BETTER.
>> ADRIENNE: WHEN HE WAS
CAMPAIGNING, DONALD TRUMP SAID
THE STATES SHOULD SET THEIR OWN
PATH ON POT.
BUT NOW THAT HE IS IN CHARGE,
THE WHITE HOUSE SPOKESPERSON
SAID THE PRESIDENT BELIEVES IN
ENFORCING ALL FEDERAL LAWS.
>> IAN: WHEN WE COME BACK, AT
ISSUE PANEL SAT DOWN WITH
ROSEMARY BARTON EARLIER TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WHAT CAN WE EXPECT IN POLITICS
IN 2018.
STICK AROUND TO FIND OUT.
>> ANDREW: TAKE A LOOK AT
CHARLOTTETOWN TONIGHT, P.E.I.,
NEW BRUNSWICK AND NOVA SCOTIA
ARE GETTING HIT HARD BY A WINTER
STORM.
JOHANNA WAGSTAFFE IS NEXT WITH A
[*]
A MASSIVE WINTER STORM HAS BEEN
HITTING THE EAST COAST.
THOUSANDS ARE WITHOUT POWER.
CBC'S SENIOR METEOROLOGIST
JOHANNA WAGSTAFFE HAS BEEN
TRACKING THE STORM ALL DAY AND
JOINS US NOW.
WHAT IS THE LATEST?
>> JOHANNA: THE CENTER OF THE
STORM IS MOVING THROUGH THE BAY
OF FUNDY.
I WANTED TO START OFF WITH THE
SATELLITE PICTURE.
THE MASSIVE STORM IS NOW
SPREADING HURRICANE FORCED WINDS
ACROSS PARTS OF NEWFOUNDLAND.
AS IT BEGINS FINALLY TO EASE AS
FAR AS THE WINDS AND SNOW GOES
BACK IN TO NEW ENGLAND STATES OF
THE U.S.
TAKING YOU TO A CLOSER LOOK.
THE CENTER OF PRESSURE, NOW
MOVING THROUGH THE BAY OF FUNDY
AREA.
STORM SURGE WITH RAIN.
I AM GETTING REPORTS FROM THE
HALIFAX AREA, HIGH TIDE IN THE
PAST HOUR.
FLOODING ALONG THE BOARDWALK IN
HALIFAX.
REPORTS OF DEBRIT MOVING INLAND
AROUND SHORE ROAD.
AND THE LIVERPOOL AREA REPORTS
POWER LINES SPARKING.
POWER OUTAGES IS GOING TO BE --
ARE GOING TO BE A BIG STORY OVER
THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
LOOK AT THE CURRENT WINDS RIGHT
NOW.
IT IS GUSTING CLOSE TO 80 km/h
IN HALIFAX.
60 TO GANDER.
80 St. JOHN'S.
PEAK WIND GUSTS AT 115 km/h.
THIS IS JUST THE START OF WHAT
WILL BE A LONG FLIGHT.
>> Andrew: WOW.
SO MANY FOLKS HAVE BEEN TOLD
DON'T GET COMPLACENT BECAUSE THE
WORST MAY BE STILL YET TO COME.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE NEXT
FEW HOURS AND DAYS ROOK LIKE?
>> Johanna: THE CENTER OF THE
STORM HAS TO MOVE ALL THE WAY
THROUGH THE MARITIMES.
WIND WARNINGS REMAIN IN PLACE
FOR MUCH OF ATLANTIC CANADA FOR
THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
AS WE CONTINUE TO TAP INTO THAT
VERY COLD AIR THAT WILL MOVE IN
BEHIND THIS STORM FOR THE
WEEKEND.
THE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL
TRACK UP TOWARD LABRADOR.
FOR THOSE OF YOU GETTING RAIN,
HEADS UP, IT WILL SWITCH OVER TO
SNOW THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING.
REMAINING VERY GUSTY, THOUGH,
OVER THE NEXT 24 IF NOT 48
HOURS.
AND THEN, WE GET INTO THAT BIG
ARCTIC COOL DOWN FOR THE
WEEKEND.
LONG NIGHTS AHEAD FOR ATLANTIC
CANADA.
>> Andrew: ALL RIGHT.
METEOROLOGIST JOHANNA WAGSTAFFE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[*]
>>> BREAKING NEWS FROM OTTAWA.
SENATOR LYNN BEYAK HAS BEEN
REMOVED FROM THE CONSERVATIVE
CAUCUS AFTER REFUSING HERSELF TO
REMOVE A LETTER POSTED ON HER
WEBSITE.
IT WAS FROM A CANADIAN
SUGGESTING INDIGENOUS CANADIANS
WERE LAZY.
THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER SAID THE
PARTY WON'T TOLERATE RACISM.
>>> IT IS THURSDAY NIGHT, "AT
ISSUE" NIGHT.
ROSEMARY IS ON ASSIGNMENT.
EARLIER SHE SAT DOWN TO RECORD
THIS SPECIAL EDITION.
>> ROSEMARY: 2018 IS FOUR DAYS
OLD.
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS IS IN THE
MIDDLE OF A CHRISTMAS BREAK.
A HOLIDAY BREAK.
WHAT BETTER WAY TO START THE
YEAR THAN POLITICAL ANALYSIS
FROM "AT ISSUE".
WE ARE TAKING THE TIME TODAY TO
LOOK AHEAD AND ANSWER SOME OF
YOUR QUESTIONS.
YES, ACTUAL QUESTIONS BY YOU.
ANDREW, CHANTAL AND ALTHIA ARE
HERE AT THE TABLE IN TORONTO.
WE PUT A CALL OUT.
WE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT
QUESTIONS.
WE CHOSE THESE NOT BECAUSE THEY
ARE THE BEST OR THE WORST.
OR ANYTHING.
THEY ARE THE ONES I FOUND
INTERESTING.
I WILL START WITH AUSTIN.
HE TWEETED...
DO YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF?
>> NAFTA.
>> ROSEMARY: WHY?
>> IT IS THE ONE THING THAT IS
STILL LINGERING ON THE RADAR.
THE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING ITS
BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
STATUS QUO IS MAINTAINED.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SEEMS
TO BE BY ALL INDICATION NOT
REALLY INTERESTED IN MAKING A
DEAL.
I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME SORT
OF RESOLUTION TO THE WHOLE NAFTA
ISSUE, WHETHER THEY DUMP IT
COMPLETELY AND START WITH A
BILATERAL AGREEMENT OR LET IT GO
BY THE WAYSIDE, WE WILL SEE.
>> I THINK BOTH.
PREPARE NOW FOR THE NAFTA STORY
TO
NOT END WELL.
I THINK THAT IS HELP TO THE
GOVERNMENT.
CRITICISM ABOUT THE APPROACH.
WHILE THERE HAS BEEN SOME.
IT IS NOT REALLY FOCUSSED ON
WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU DO IF YOU
WERE THEM.
I THINK MARIJUANA IS AN ISSUE
THAT HAS A LOT OF TRACTION ON
THE GROUND.
LOTS OF PEOPLE WATCHING.
I THINK THE LIBERALS HOPE IT
WILL BE A GOOD NEWS STORY.
AND SO THEY WILL BE PUTTING A
LOT OF POLITICAL ENERGY INTO IT.
>> I WOULD BROADEN IT OUT FROM
NAFTA TO INCLUDE THE CHINA
TALKS.
AND THE TRANS-PACIFIC
PARTNERSHIP.
THE GOVERNMENT THAT IS THREE
DIFFERENT BALLS JUGGLED IN THE
AIR.
THEY ARE DROPPING THEM ALL AT
THIS POINT.
THEY ARE INTERLINKED AND THEY
ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CONCESSIONS.
THEY HAVE TO BRING THESE HOME.
WE HAVE TO HAVE ALTERNATIVES
IF NAFTA GETS IN TROUBLE.
RIGHT NOW...
>> ROSEMARY: THERE IS OVERLAP
YOU ARE RIGHT.
AND THERE IS CONFLICT BETWEEN
ALL THE DEALS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU --
>> NOT AS MUCH AS THEY ARE
CLAIMING.
SOME OF
THE THINGS THEY ARE TRYING TO
HOLD ON TO ARE THINGS IN MY
OPINION THEY SHOULD BE WILLING
TO GET RID OF.
SUPPLY MANAGEMENT FOR EXAMPLE.
>> I AM NOT CONVINCED IN THE
MINDS OF VOTERS, NAFTA AND CHINA
ARE THE SAME THING.
THERE IS A LOT MORE SUSPICION
AND POSSIBLY LARGER APPROVAL
RATING OF THE GOVERNMENT NOT
DOING CHINA THAN THE OPPOSITE.
AND I NOTE ON THAT,
BOTH OPPOSITION PARTIES WILL NOT
PUSH THE CHINA CARD BECAUSE THE
N.D.P. IS AGAINST IT AND THE
CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT REALLY HOT
ON IT.
>> ROSEMARY: THAT BRINGS ME TO
THE QUESTION FROM KATHERINE ON
TWITTER.
WHO ASKS, WILL ALL THE TRADE
DEALS FINALLY COME TO FRUITION
WITH PROGRESSIVE ELEMENTS
INTACT?
>> NO.
THERE WILL NOT BE PROGRESSIVE
ELEMENTS IN A CHINA TRADE DEAL.
THERE WILL NOT BE A CHINA TRADE
DEAL.
>> THERE WILL NOT BE A CHINA
TRADE DEAL IN 2018.
IT IS NOT HAPPENING.
>> THE PROGRESSIVE ELEMENTS ARE
MORE OF A PR THING.
YOU KNOW,
THE CHILE FREE TRADE DEAL IS
NON-BINDING, HOW DOES THE
GOVERNMENT JUSTIFY IT CAN
HAVE -- THEY WANT AS A BASE LINE
CETA, WHAT IT NEGOTIATED IN
CETA.
IT WILL NOT GET THAT PROBABLY IN
NAFTA.
IT DID NOT GET THAT IN CHILE.
>> FROM THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION...
NEVER MIND THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
>> ROSEMARY: THE NEXT QUESTION
ABOUT NAFTA.
IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH CANADA
SHOULD WALK AWAY FROM NAFTA
NEGOTIATIONS OR GIVE NOTICE,
WOULD CANADA BE BETTER OFF WITH
A BILATERAL AGREEMENT WITH THE
U.S.
WHICH IS WHAT YOU HINTED AT?
>> WE SHOULD BE PREPARED TO WALK
AWAY.
YOU HAVE TO BE IN A NEGOTIATION.
AND PARTICULARLY IN THIS
NEGOTIATION WHERE SOME OF THE
U.S. SIDES ARE FRANKLY CRAZY.
THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING PART
OF -- THERE ARE THINGS, USUALLY
IN TRADE TALK, I WOULD SAY IT IS
ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A BAD
TRADE DEAL IN MY OPINION.
THIS IS A CASE WHERE YOU COULD.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, IT
IS FAR FROM CLEAR FOR ME THAT
TRUMP COULD PULL THE UNITED
STATES OUT OF NAFTA.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE
CONSTITUTIONAL SEPARATION OF
POWERS, HE CAN GIVE NOTICE.
CONGRESS HAS TO ENABLE THE
LEGISLATION.
I DON'T THINK HE WOULD HAVE THE
VOTES IN CONGRESS.
>> IF YOU WANT TRUMP TO RUN INTO
CONGRESS AS AN OBSTACLE TO
NAFTA, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WALK
AWAY.
YOU LET THEM WALK AWAY.
AND SO THEY CAN'T USE YOU AS THE
REASON WHY YOU ARE PULLING THE
PLUG ON NAFTA.
CANADA WALKED AWAY.
IN ANY EVENT, THIS IS WHERE WE
ARE.
YOU DON'T WALK AWAY.
YOU WAIT FOR THEM TO DO
SOMETHING.
>> ROSEMARY: IS TRUMP BECAUSE OF
WHO HE IS, HE WOULD SEE THAT AS
AN INTERESTING MOVE...
>> IT IS CONGRESS THAT IN THE
END WILL LIKELY OR NOT DEAL WITH
NAFTA.
>> WHEN THIS CAME UP, THERE WAS
A LOT OF
TALK, THEY HAVE US OVER A
BARREL.
WE ARE DESPERATE FOR NAFTA.
WE HAVE BARGAINING LEVERS AND WE
SHOULD NOT CAPITULATE.
>> I THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS
GOING TO WALK AWAY.
BUT THE PRIME MINISTER HAS
ALREADY BASICALLY PUT A LINE ON
THE SAND ON RESOLUTION
MECHANISMS.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT
THE GOVERNMENT SAID THAT THOSE
ARE THINGS THEY WOULD BE READY
TO WALK AWAY FROM.
I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT A
BILATERAL AGREEMENT WOULD PUT US
IN A BETTER POSITION.
IT MAY BE HARDER TO NEGOTIATE.
I DON'T THINK THAT --
THEY TALKED ABOUT IT, THE PRIME
MINISTER TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE
FALL.
I DON'T THINK IT IS ACTION
ANYMORE.
>> ROSEMARY: LET'S TALK ABOUT
OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER PARTIES.
ASKED,
WHAT DO ANDREW SCHEER AND
JAGMEET SINGH AND THE RESPECTIVE
PARTIES NEED TO DO DIFFERENTLY
IN 2018.
WE ARE SORT OF GETTING INTO
THINKING ABOUT CAMPAIGNS.
TO INCREASE THEIR ODDS OF
BEATING THE LIBERALS IN THE NEXT
ELECTION?
>> PUBLIC POLICY.
HOW DID JUSTIN TRUDEAU WIN THE
ELECTION.
IT WAS NOT JUST THAT HE WAS NOT
STEPHEN HARPER OR A ROCK STAR,
IT WAS HE WAS SAYING
DIFFERENT THINGS AND PROMISING
THINGS THAT PEOPLE COULD SAY,
THIS IS WHAT HE IS SAYING.
YOU TELL ME WHAT THE
CONSERVATIVES OR THE N.D.P.'S
POLICIES ARE AT THIS POINT?
THERE ARE THE POLICIES GOING
INTO THE LAST ELECTION.
>> THE PRIME MINISTER DID NOT
HAVE A WHOLE
LOT OF POLICY UNTIL...
JAGMEET SINGH WANTS PHARMACARE
AND FREE POST SECONDARY TUITION
AND WANTS THIS, THAT AND THE
OTHER THING.
YOU DON'T HAVE A NARRATIVE ABOUT
EACH LEADER YET.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ANDREW
SCHEER...
>> THAT IS THE POINT.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR.
>> THEY CAN DO THAT IN
JANUARY, 2018.
>> THE PROBLEM FOR ANDREW
SCHEER, HE NEEDS THE N.D.P. TO
DO A LOT BETTER.
>> THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
>> AND HE NEEDS FRANKLY A BAD
ECONOMY.
IT IS REALLY HARD TO DISPLACE A
SITTING
GOVERNMENT WHEN THE ECONOMY IS
DOING AS WELL AS IT IS.
I AGREE, HE HAS TO START PUSHING
UP POLICY AND HAS TO MOVE AWAY
FROM THE HARPER STYLE.
HE HAS TO SOME EXTENT.
I ANY -- I THINK,
THERE IS AN OPENING FOR HIM TO
ADOPT A MORE GENIAL STYLE AND
MORE
SUBSTANTIVE STYLE.
THERE ARE CENTER RIGHT VOTERS
OUT THERE
WHO VOTED FOR JEAN CHRETIEN WHEN
TACKLING DEFICIT.
THEY WENT TO HARPER UNTIL HE WAS
TOO ANNOYING TO STICK WITH.
THEY ARE NOT PARTICULARLY HAPPY
WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU RIGHT NOW.
>> ROSEMARY: I THINK ALTHIA HAS
SOMETHING.
I GET THAT POLICY MATTERS.
ONE OF ANDREW SCHEER PROBLEMS IS
NOBODY KNOWS HIM.
AND JAGMEET SINGH TOO.
>> THEY ARE NOT TALKING TO THE
PUBLIC AS MUCH AS THEY SHOULD.
WE KNEW MORE ABOUT RONA AMBROSE
WHEN SHE WAS INTERIM LEADER THAN
ANDREW SCHEER.
>> ROSEMARY: THEY ARE TRYING.
>> NOT REALLY.
HE DENIES MEDIA REQUESTS.
HE IS NOT OUT AND ABOUT AS HE
SHOULD BE.
>> I THINK SINGH HAS IN
-- TO BE IN PARLIAMENT.
IT IS HARD TO GET A THIRD PARTY
LEADER TO GET ATTENTION FROM THE
MEDIA.
YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OF THE
AGENDA.
IT IS VERY DIFFICULT.
ONE OF THE FEW PLACES HE HAS IS
IN PARLIAMENT.
>> YOU NEED TO FIND A SEAT TO
OPEN.
I DON'T SUGGEST...
>> AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> I TAKE A PASS ON THAT ONE.
>> AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> ROSEMARY: LAST ONE, FROM
SUSAN KING.
AN INTERESTING ONE.
YOU ALL HAVE DIFFERENT NAMES.
IS THERE SOMEBODY THAT CANADIANS
ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THEY
SHOULD START?
>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF NAMES.
MARILYN GLADUE ON THE
CONSERVATIVE SIDE.
SHE IS A BRAND NEW M.P. FROM
2015.
SHE GOT THE PALLIATIVE BILL
PASSED.
BASICALLY,
THE CONSERVATIVES WERE ARGUING
THAT SENIORS WOULD NOT BE
CHOOSING MEDICALLY ASSISTED
DYING IF THERE WAS GOOD
PALLIATIVE CARE.
IT IS RARE FOR AN OPPOSITION
M.P. TO GET A PRIVATE MEMBERS
BILL PASSED.
SHE HAS.
SHE IS POTENTIALLY A LEADERSHIP
CANDIDATE TO WATCH.
SHE IS TAKING MORE SPACE THAN
YOU WOULD OTHERWISE THINK.
SHE IS LOVELY.
FUNNY.
A STAND UP COMIC.
ROSS GREWAL,
THE LIBERAL M.P. WHO MAY FACE
OFF AGAINST JAGMEET SINGH.
LOVELY, YOUNG, I THINK HE IS
UNDER 30.
THAT IS SOMEONE TO WATCH.
A NEW DEMOCRAT, DAVID
KASTOFERSON.
THE MAN DOES NOT GET ENOUGH
LOVE.
HE IS OLD SCHOOL.
HE DOES GOOD WORK.
HE DESERVES TO GET KUDOS.
>> I WILL NOT GO DOWN THE LIST.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
>> I WILL NAME TWO NAMES.
I WILL CHEAT.
THE FIRST IS FROM THE N.D.P.
HE HAS BEEN A FORCE IN PUSHING
FOR THE INDIGENOUS ISSUES.
HE HAS A GREAT GOVERNMENT ACROSS
FROM HIM.
BECAUSE THEY DID MAKE A LOT OF
PROMISES, AND I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT TO KEEP THEIR FEET TO
THE FIRE.
HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB ON THAT.
I PICKED A CONSERVATIVE SENATOR
GAGON FOR HIS BILL WHICH IS A
LAW ON PROTECTING JOURNALISM
SOURCES.
IT WAS AN IMPORTANT LAW.
INTERESTING THAT IT CAME FROM
THE SENATE AND THE
CONSERVATIVES, AND IT BECAME A
LAW.
>> ROSEMARY: I DON'T THINK A
SENATOR CAN BE A BACK BENCHER.
YOU PRACTICALLY CHEATED.
I WILL LET IT GO.
>> I WILL GO WITH GARNET JAMES.
THE CONSERVATIVE M.P. ELECTED BY
HIS PEERS AS PARLIAMENTARIAN OF
THE YEAR.
VERY YOUNG, I THINK HE IS
30 YEARS OLD.
VERY TALKATIVE.
HE IS THE SECOND MOST SPEECHES
-- DOES THE SECOND MOST SPEECHES
IN PARLIAMENT.
VERY IDEOLOGICAL.
I MEAN IT AS A COMPLIMENT.
SOMEBODY TO WATCH.
WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
FOR SOMEONE SO YOUNG AND
IDEOLOGICAL TO WORK ACROSS PARTY
LINES AND HAVE THE RESPECT AND
SUPPORT OF OTHER
PARLIAMENTARIANS SAYS SOMETHING
AS WELL.
>> ROSEMARY: DO YOU KNOW ALL OF
THE M.P.S?
I AM AT THE POINT WHERE I SEE A
FACE EVERY ONCE IN A
WHILE AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THE
PERSON IS.
YOU ARE PROBABLY BETTER THAN THE
REST OF US.
>> A WOMAN M.P., A LIBERAL, AT A
CAUCUS MEETING, I HAD NO IDEA
SHE WAS ELECTED.
>> WE FAILED THE QUIZ.
>> ROSEMARY: IF YOU ENJOY
POLITICS AS MUCH AS US.
CANADA'S MOST WATCHED POLITICAL
PANEL IS ALSO A POD CAST.
BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE.
YOU WILL GET EXTRA CONTENT AND
THE MAIN PANEL IN EVERY PODCAST
IS
ON ITUNES, PODCAST APP OR OUR
WEBSITE, CBC.CA/THENATIONAL.
>> Ian: COMING UP, MEDICALLY
ASSISTED DYING
AND ORGAN DONATION.
THOSE ARE TWO BIG HEALTH ISSUES.
EACH HAS ITS OWN ETHICAL
QUESTIONS.
WHAT IF YOU WERE TO BRING THEM
TOGETHER?
WE WILL BRING YOU THE STORY OF A
MANITOBA MAN WHO DID JUST THAT.
>> THE ORGAN DONATION BECAME
REALLY IMPORTANT TO HIM.
BECAUSE HE IS VERY CARING AND
VERY GIVING.
THAT WAS JUST ANOTHER WAY FOR
BRIAN TO GIVE LIFE TO SOMEBODY.
>> IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT
SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED
IN ORGAN DONATION WANT TO PAIR
ORGAN DONATION WITH THIS METHOD
OF DYING.
>> IAN: IT HAS BEEN 18 MONTHS
SINCE MEDICALLY ASSISTED DYING
BECAME LEGAL IN CANADA.
LEADING TO MORE THAN 2,000
RECORDED
DEATHS.
SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE
TO DONATE THEIR
ORGANS FOR TRANSPLANT FACE
SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES.
KAREN PAUL TELLS OF A MANITOBA
MAN WHO SAW HIS DYING WISH TO
SAVE OTHERS COME TRUE.
>> PROBABLY EVERYONE OF THE
ENTRIES
HAS SOME STORY.
THAT IS
ALMOST HARD TO BELIEVE.
>> Reporter: THE TWO STILL ENJOY
READING
THE BLOG WRITTEN BY THEIR FRIEND
BRIAN WADSWORTH.
>> HE WAS AN ADVENTURER.
ADVENTURE SOMEHOW FOUND BRIAN.
>> REPORTER: AN AVID DIVER AND
SAILOR, HE LIVED LIFE TO THE
LIMIT.
HE DIDN'T LET MUCH SLOW HIM
DOWN.
UNTIL HE GOT SICK ON A SAILING
TRIP IN FLORIDA LAST WINTER.
INTER --
>> Interview: THINGS HAVE
CHANGED DRASTICALLY FOR ME IN
THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
>> REPORTER: WADSWORTH WAS
DIAGNOSED
WITH ALS.
THE OUTGOING ADVENTURER'S HEALTH
DETERIORATED QUICKLY.
WEAKENING MUSCLES AND FACING
PARALYSIS, HE WANTED
MEDICAL ASSISTANCE IN DYING.
>> INTERVIEW: HE WANTED TO HAVE
DIGNITY AND DIDN'T WANT THE
DISEASE TO TOTALLY, YOU KNOW,
DESTROY HIM.
>> INTERVIEW: WHEN HE KNEW THERE
WAS A WAY OUT, A PLAN, SOMETHING
THAT WOULD WORK FOR HIM, HE WAS
RELIEVED RIGHT AWAY.
>> Reporter: WADSWORTH HAD ONE
MORE
WISH, TO BE AN ORGAN DONOR.
HE WENT THROUGH ALL THE TESTS.
GOT HIS AFFAIRS IN ORDER AND
CHOSE A DATE.
FAMILY AND FRIENDS HELD A LIVING
WAKE TO CELEBRATE HIS LIFE.
WADSWORTH HAD THEM IN STITCHES
AS HE TOLD STORIES.
THE NEXT DAY THEY GATHERED AT
HIS BEDSIDE TO SAY THEIR FINAL
GOOD-BYES.
>> INTERVIEW: BRIAN DID HIS BEST
TO ENTERTAIN EVERYBODY, KEEP IT
AS LIGHT AS POSSIBLE.
YET YOU COULD SORT OF -- YOU
COULD SEE THE FEAR AND
UNCERTAINTY IN HIS EYES.
>> REPORTER: IN ORDER TO DONATE
HIS ORGANS, HE HAD TO DIE IN
THIS HOSPITAL.
THE STAFF HAD PROBLEMS FINDING A
VEIN TO CONNECT HIM TO A HEART
MONITOR.
WHEN THEY TOOK A BREAK,
THEY ADDED KAHLUA TO HIS COFFEE
ON A BREAK.
HIS MORNING RITUAL.
>> IT WAS HIS TREAT.
AN HOUR BEFORE HE DIED.
>> REPORTER: THE DOCTORS GAVE
HIM THE DRUGS THAT STOPPED HIS
HEART.
>> INTERVIEW: THE TWO RECIPIENTS
WERE WAITING IN ER SURGERY.
WHAT WE DID FIND OUT LATER IS
THAT THE TRANSPLANTS WERE
SUCCESSFUL.
>> REPORTER: HOW DO YOU THINK HE
WOULD HAVE FELT TO KNOW THAT?
>> INTERVIEW: PROUD.
EXTREMELY PROUD.
HE WOULD FEEL LIKE HE DIED WITH
A PURPOSE.
>> REPORTER: BRIAN WADSWORTH IS
ONE OF ONLY A HANDFUL OF
CANADIANS WHO HAD
MEDICAL ASSISTANCE IN DYING AND
DONATED ORGANS.
THE DOCTORS SAID PEOPLE WHO OPT
FOR MEDICAL ASSISTANCE IN DYING
COULD BE THE BEST CANDIDATES.
>> INTERVIEW: MORE QUICKLY, A
PATIENT DIES, THE LESS STRESS
THE ORGAN GOES THROUGH.
AND PATIENTS WITH MEDICAL
ASSISTANCE IN DYING, TEND TO DIE
FAIRLY QUICKLY.
>> REPORTER: PEOPLE DIE BECAUSE
THEY ARE GIVEN DRUGS THAT STOP
THE HEART, WHICH MEANS IT CANNOT
BE DONATED.
THE DOCTORS ALSO HAVE TO FLUSH
THE DRUGS FROM THE ORGANS THAT
ARE BEING TRANSPLANTED, SO THEY
ARE SAFE FOR THE RECIPIENT.
>> INTERVIEW: THEY ARE NOT
CIRCULATING FOR ANY EXTENDED
PERIOD OF TIME IN THE BODY.
WHICH MEANS THAT THEY REALLY --
THEY MAY BE PRESENT IN THE LUNGS
OR THE KIDNEY, THEY ARE NOT
BUILT UP OVER TIME WHERE THEY
ARE DOING DAMAGE.
>> REPORTER: MEANWHILE, THE
MEDICAL COMMUNITY IS STILL
DEBATING HOW ORGAN DONATION AND
ASSISTED DYING SHOULD BE
COMBINED.
>> INTERVIEW: IF A PERSON IS
REQUESTING MEDICAL ASSISTANCE IN
DYING, IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE
CONVERSATION THAT COMES LATER,
NOT FIRST, WITH A SEPARATE
PERSON TO TALK ABOUT THE OPTION
OF ORGAN DONATION.
>> REPORTER: WHEN BRIAN
WADSWORTH WENT THROUGH THE
PROCESS, HIS FRIENDS WERE WITH
HIM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
>> INTERVIEW: COFFEE?
>> SURE.
CAN YOU PUT CAN A LKAHLUA IN IT FOR ME.
>> REPORTER: ROB AND SONIA ARE
TELLING HIS STORY, CONTINUING
HIS MORNING RITUAL.
>> SAY WHEN.
>> REPORTER: SOME OF THE WAYS
THEY REMEMBER THEIR FRIEND.
>> TO BRIAN.
>> TO BRIAN.
>> REPORTER: KAREN PAULS, CBC
NEWS, WINNIPEG.
>> ADRIENNE: A CLARIFICATION ON
A STORY WE BROUGHT YOU THIS WEEK
EARLIER,
ON "THE NATIONAL", WE OVERSTATED
THE AMOUNT OF DRIED CANNABIS
THAT HEALTH CANADA APPROVED FOR
EXPORT.
THE AGENCY HAS ACTUALLY APPROVED
THE SALE OF 528 KILOGRAMS TO
INTERNATIONAL MARKETS FOR THIS
DA
>> CANADA WILL PLAY THE SWEDES.
>> Andrew: A BIG WIN FOR TEAM
CAN A AT WORLD JUNIOR
CHAMPIONSHIPS.
JUST MOMENTS AGO, THEY WON 7-2
IN THE SEMIFINALS.
THAT MEANS THEY'RE OFF TO FACE
SWEDEN IN TOMORROW'S FRIDAY.
SWEETEN BEAT TEAM U.S.A. 4-2
EARLIER TODAY.
>> Ian: WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT
THE STORM THAT'S HITTING THE
EAST COAST AND IT'S TIME TO LOOK
BACK AT OUR "MOMENT OF THE DAY."
20 YEARS AGO THIS WEEK, AN ICE
STORM BEGAN IN SOUTHERN QUEBEC
AND EASTERN ONTARIO, BUT IT'S
ALSO A MILESTONE FOR OUR
ADRIENNE ARSENAULT.
SHE WAS THERE IN THE FIELD IN
1998.
THIS WAS HER FIRST ASSIGNMENT
WITH "THE NATIONAL."
>> Adrienne: THERE ARE BIG
CONCERNS ABOUT HOW WELL PEOPLE
ARE COPING.
>> Ian: FOR FIVE DAYS, THE
REGION WAS PELTED WITH AS MUCH
AS 100 MILLIMETRES OF FREEZING
RAIN.
NEARLY 5 MILLION PEOPLE WERE
WITHOUT POWER AT THE STORM'S
PEAK.
>> Adrienne: OFFICIALS ARE
WORRIED NOT JUST ABOUT MOTHER
NATURE, BUT HUMAN NATURE
THE FEAR IS THAT PEOPLE WILL GET
BORED, WANDER OUT AND GET HURT
BY THE LIVE WIRES OR FALLING
TREES.
>> Adrienne: IT'S LIKE IT WAS
YESTERDAY.
[LAUGHTER]
A LOT OF PEOPLE FOUND
INTERESTING WAYS TO COPE BACK
THEN.
MY FAVOURITE ICE STORM STORY
CAME OUT OF KINGSTON, ROUGHLY 9
MONTHS LATER, IF YOU GET MY
DRIFT.
HAVE A LOOK AT THIS.
SOME PEOPLE WERE COPING QUITE
NICELY.
>> THIS IS WHAT WE WERE DOING
DURING THE ICE STORM.
>> Adrienne: PIPER KEEGAN
WATKINS, 5 WEEKS EARLY, BUT
PERFECT, NO DOUBT THAT'S AN ICE
STORM BABY.
>> Adrienne: NOT TO TOTALLY
EMBARRASS YOUNG PIPER.
I CALLED HER MOM AND ASKED ABOUT
HOW EVERYONE WAS.
THAT SHE'S AN ICE STORM BABY IS
PART OF HER STORY.
SHE'S GREAT.
HERE SHE IS ALL GROWN UP.
THESE ICE STORMS AREN'T ALL THAT
BAD.
>> Ian: WOW.
>> Andrew: I ALWAYS WONDERED HOW
AWKWARD IT WOULD BE TO KNOW THE
DETAILS OF YOUR OWN CONCEPTION.
>> Ian: AND KEEP IN MIND, IN 20
YEARS, WE'LL LOOK BACK AT
PICTURES OF ANDREW AND HE WILL
LOOK LIKE ADRIENNE LOOKED BACK
THEN.
THAT'S "THE NATIONAL" FOR
JANUARY 4.
GOOD NIGHT.
>> Andrew: GOOD NIGHT.
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