Hello everybody, and welcome to another Facebook Live with Karen from Nurture Parenting!
I hope there's lots of people out there listening to these answers to these questions today
because I've got some fabulous questions that have come in, these, these are amazing.
You always send in some great questions for me. So just a reminder, you can send in any questions
each week on baby sleep, on toddler sleep, on anything to do with parenting.
On anything to do with feeding of babies, right from newborn, right to 5 years old. On anything
to do with child behaviour stuff, anything to do with how, mum life. Anything. So, you
can send your questions in each week to me Karen at Nurture Parenting, and I've got
heaps this week. So, I'm so excited! Now last week we did a little competition to win
2 of my favourite books, and the lucky winner is… Peta Crawford. So, congratulations Peta,
well done! Now Peta's won my toddler book, 'My Big Shouting Day', which is one of
my very very favourite books for toddlers. This gets read 6 times a night. Toddlers love
it, and it's very dramatic. It's about Bella having big emotional issues. As you
know, we need to teach kids about emotion, so that's winging its way to Peta. And because
Peta's also got a little baby, so for the baby, for the baby we're going to give this
book away by Nancy Tillman. Now, Nancy Tillman does some great books. And this one is
'On the Night That You Were Born', so she does lots of really really great bedtime books.
So, I love her books intensely. So, bedtime books really really important for setting
the bedtime routine and scene. They're a great sleep cue, and as most of you know
that know me, I love particularly a book with a sleep theme directly before bed. That makes
a massive difference. So I'm a fan of doing 2 or 3 books for a toddler, for a baby 1 or
2 books. And I like to do story, feed, story with a sleep theme, and then bed. Because
that really really helps that transition and, like I said it's a sleep cue. I like to
do it in the bedroom, because when you take a child down to the front room, again it's
like, it's like daytime again, it's playtime. So, my recommendations for books for children
at bedtime, sleep theme no more than 2 or 3 books for a toddler, 2 books or 1 book for
a baby, and I hope you enjoy these Peta. So, congratulations these are winging their way
to you. So I've send you an email. I just need your address and they will be with you
very shortly. So I hope you enjoy both of these books. Exciting! So, this week's competition
is a very very exciting competition. Now as most of you or some of you will know, I believe
in helping support local businesses, businesses that do amazing things for babies and for
parents. I'm all about doing really positive, really kind, really good things that really
make a difference to people's lives. Now this competition is coming from 'Hello Night Kids'
and the business owner of 'Hello Night Kids' is a lady called Tu, and I met
Tu probably about, about maybe about 4 or 5 maybe 6 months ago? And Tu's got a couple
of children, she goes to Montessori so she's big into attachment parenting, but with a
Montessori sort of twist. Very much into helping kids to learn to become independent and helping
teach them how to achieve that independence. So, that is so important because if we always
do things for children, it creates this learned helplessness and then children never ever
want to do things for themselves. And the ultimate sort of role, aim of any parent,
I'm sure that most of you will agree, is to make your child independent, and able to
go out into the world, and to problem solve and for themselves, and look after themselves.
They'll be able to meet all their own needs. So our job is to help break it down, and so
what — Welcome Peta, that's okay love — So, we need to break this down into little
simple tasks and most kids around the age of 2 or 3 can start to learn how to dress
themselves, how to feed themselves, about toilet training, about lots of, or toilet learning
lots of things. So we need to help children learn how to do these things, because
if we keep on doing it for them, they're never ever going to learn how to do it, and
when they get to the age of 10 or 15 and they're still asking you to dress them or to feed
them, it wouldn't really be much fun. And I think it's at the age of 4 and 5, asking
to be fed, asking to be dressed, asking to have everything done, so, it's a critical
age, around the age of 2 or 3 that you just have to teach these little life skills. Okay,
and it'll really help your child, and really help you, and get them ready for school and
life etc. So, back to Tu and 'Hello Night Kids'. So you're probably wondering 'What
is Hello Night Kids?'. So Tu came to me and she said 'I've got this great product
Karen, it's really really really amazing. And it helps kids keep warm all night'.
Now as you know, I do a lot of baby sleep and toddler sleep, and children get really
cold in autumn and winter, and the seasons are starting to change now, and these little
children start to feel a little bit chilly. Now most of you out there will not know about
temperature control and children. So, I discovered when I started doing things with with other
people and families etc what my knowledge base is like. And, as most of you know, I'm
a geek, I'm a nerd and I love to know so much about sleep and children and just how
I can make life better for them. So, I often like to improve things with sleep in a big
way, because sleep is, you know it's massive, it helps the immune system, it helps self
regulation, it helps resilience. It keeps children healthy. Babies that sleep well,
they feed better. They just do so much better in life. I meet babies at 8 months old that
can't sit and roll over. Within a, within a night of sleep training, suddenly these
kids are able to stand, never mind roll over! I meet toddlers who can hardly put a sentence
together, who have massive tantrums, within a night again they're turned around and
they're just, happier people, much happier people. So when we're sleeping, everything
is better. And as somebody who gets lots of broken night night sleeps because I help people
families, I can vouch for this. Now kids, if they get cold, they really struggle to
get themselves back to sleep. Now body temperature drops, and the air temperature drops around
3 o'clock in the morning. It's a classic time when kids will start to wake up, and
you'll start to notice this if your kids aren't dressed in enough layers. Now kids
need layers. So a lot of what, what I've seen in Australia is in particular, that we
tend to crank our heating up, and cranking heating up with babies and children, it doesn't
work. It is the opposite to what you think. So, as you can tell, I'm from the North
of England, and I obviously grew up in very cold Northern English winters and autumns.
We didn't have heating in our house at night time. Not that my parents were poor, maybe
they were. But we didn't have heating. And we actually even used to have the bedroom
window open can you believe it? But, my mum used to dress us really warmly, so our bedding
on our beds, the things that we dressed ourselves in, so crucial! So kids need to have something
that keeps their, their body, have you heard of thermo nuclear regulation? It's where
we keep our body temperature constant. So, thermo regulation is really really important.
And kids lose their body temperature 4 times as fast as an adult would. So 4 times, massive,
huge. All this informations on Tu's website, on 'Hello Night Kids'. So, I wrote a heap
of stuff for Tu to help her with her product. I used all my little geeky inner nerdy-ness
to give her a lot of really interesting sleep facts, and about body temperature, and about
toddlers in particular. So kids don't realise until the age of 3 that they need to pull
the blankets back on themselves. And so Tu created this product that is called a wearable
blanket which I think is like genius. What it does it it just keeps that body temperature
constant and it is made of merino wool. And kids, Tu's kids have got eczema. You can
use merino wool for eczema, it's fabulous. Most of you out there will have heard that
I have eczema myself, so when I wool, I either wear merino wool, or I wear cashmere. Yes
you heard that correctly. So I like really fine wool for my skin, otherwise I get really
bad skin reactions. But the finer the wool, the better it is for their skin. But also
marino wool has this amazing capability of great heat exchange. So kids don't sweat,
they don't overheat, and that is so important with children, that we need to help them with
their temperature regulating. Now this 'Hello Night Kids' with starting to develop some
gilets, which is like a little waistcoat thing which I gave to some of my knowledge from
the North of England about if we layer the core, the top half, that is really important.
Also arms, arms are really important. So we're looking at maybe looking at some thicker arms,
or maybe even some quilting for winter. We might even look at some arm warmers because
I think they're such a great idea. And I just love her product. I think it is really
really amazing. The good thing about them as well is they're not a sleeping bag, so
they're safe. Kids can't trip up in the cot or their bed. And they they can be a real
hazard can can sleeping bags. So even though I love sleeping bags, there are sort of risks
with that as as well. That kids can bang, bump their heads. These are actual proper
sleep suits. They can be zipped up at the top or the bottom, so kids can't zip themselves
out of them, but they can get themselves in and out of them if they need to, if you want
to zip it that way round. Easy to change kids, easy to look after and launder and they are
in really funky colours, really funky designs, they're going to be going into Nurture Parenting's
online shop at some point soon. But I can't say enough about Tu and 'Hello Night Kids'.
I am a big believer in her product, so she's got a big background in design, and I'm
going to tell you now what the competition is. So, to win a $100 value Australian Dollar
value gift voucher for the winner, then you need to like this video and like 'Hello
Night Kids' on Facebook, and then I will or Julie will or the machine will draw out
the winner and we will notify that person through either email or through Facebook messenger,
and then we'll notify you all next week as to who has won the $100 gift voucher. $100
Australian, I think it's a lovely level gift prize, very generous from Tu. She's
put so much effort and thought and you know her knowledge of of fabric is like incredible.
She has passion behind what she does, and I really believe in people that have passion,
that add value to children's lives and parent's lives. So I am very excited about 'Hello
Night Kids'. I'm so excited for Tu and I can't wait to see who the lucky winner
is. Now, something extra, and there is an extra to today. Everybody who buys from 'Hello
Night Kids' via Nurture Parenting's online shop or via 'Hello Night Kids' online
shop, they get a 10 percent, sorry 10 per, put teeth back in, 10 percent discount code
K1SLEEP. So it's K, letter K as for Karen, 1 and then SLEEP, all in uppercase in capitals.
So, you get a a 10 percent discount, anybody who buys using that voucher, either from Nurture
Parenting's online shop when they eventually go in the shop, and also via Tu's website
'Hello Night Kids'. So it's hellonightkids.com.au. And like her on Facebook, like this video,
and you get to go into the prize draw which is very exciting! So, it's been a long time
coming I know from Tu and it is well worth the effort that she's put into this, because
she's made it into something really remarkable and excited! 'Hello Night Kids'! Yay!
Now, oh also as well just a reminder that we have an affiliate relationship with 'Hello
Night Kids', and that's important for transparency reasons that I tell you that.
Anything that I have an affiliate relationship with, I always disclose. So, as you know Karen
can't be bought, and this is a benefit to parents and to children. So, I only believe
in things that are really amazing and it helps eczema, it helps sleep, and it is a lovely
lovely product that really makes a massive difference. And, we don't want our children
getting cold in winter or autumn, and not able to sleep properly. So, to be able to
maintain your temperature, so so so so vital. So, there you go, that is the competition.
So this week I had another busy week. So this morning I've been out to see a little premature
baby. Now I'm not sure whether any of you know, or some of you know that my background
is I've been a midwife for 28, maybe even 29 years, maybe even 30 years now, something
like that now, 29 years I think. So a long time. I've got a massive background in neonatal
intensive care unit, in special care nurses, and I've I've got years of background
in that. So, my knowledge of premature babies and of small for dates babies is vast. And
you don't sort of realise until you go and see a mum with a baby that's premature,
small for dates, it's like wow, I actually do know quite a bit of stuff. And I made a
big difference to this mum today. So she's been really struggling with the feeding, this
baby was 2 kilos born at 36 weeks, and the the feeding was becoming overwhelming. This
baby was born conceived through IVF, everything around the birth was was fairly straightforward,
and this baby came out healthy, she just needed a little bit of fattening up. So mum tried
to breastfeed and we've, she's on been on Motilium, she's seen a lactation consultant
and she's tried extremely hard. This babies now about 8 weeks old, and she has really
struggled as a lot of mums do. But it's even harder when you've got a premature
baby who is small for dates. Now when you've got a baby whose premature small for dates,
they struggle with their temperature control, they struggle with their blood sugar control.
And so what who can do with a breastfeeding baby at term, you can't quite apply the
same rules to a baby that's small for dates or premature. Now, something huge that this
mum hadn't been told was when you're feeding a baby that's small for dates and premature,
they need to get their feeds down them really quickly, and I mean within 20 to 30 minutes.
If you do it past 30 minutes then you're then into calorie control, and you're then
eating up those calories that should be used for gaining weight to maintain their feeding
and their uptime. So we need to really manage feeding really really well. Babies that are
small for dates as well don't have a lot of fat on them, they're quite waisted babies,
they don't have much much layering on them. So they have big temperature control issues
as well. But they also have blood sugar problems as well. And it's really easy to cause issues
with their health if we don't manage their feeding correctly. So, I showed this mum this
morning how to feed her baby to maximise that feed time, to maximise the the actual weight
gain, because this baby hadn't been gaining weight to start with. So we need to look first
at feeding, how we manage our day, how we manage you know night time, how we manage
sleep time, how we manage up time, everything. So, that's a little tip for you out there
if you've got a premature baby or a small for dates baby. We also looked at how many
mls per kilo per 24 hours this baby needs. So she did a bit of mix feeding now because
we had to pull back on the pumping because it was getting out of control and it just
wasn't becoming fun anymore. So, we've moved down from pumping 7 times a day to 3
to 4 times a day, which I think is a lot more manageable for mum. She can then still breastfeed,
and that babies getting then the best of both worlds, it's having either breastfeed, or
expressed milk and formula. So then we just helping getting this baby fattened up, and
when this baby's fattened up it's going to be a lot happier. Mum was, you know, this
baby was was not a happy baby for the last few days. And I think as a mum you really
want to enjoy your baby don't you, so to go through all this pain, to get this baby
and then things not work out, it is heartbreaking, it's really hard. But we need to look at
things really objectively, and from a very practical point of view. So that's what
I've been doing this morning. So I've been looking after this little baby called
Rosie whose so cute, and I had the best fun, and I love little little babies as you know,
I love all babies, all children. I taught her how to wrap baby, swaddle baby, I talked
a little bit about sleep as well, but sleep is not the prime thing here. Because sleep
will come later, it's about, it's about feeding and it's about gaining weight, and
it's about calorie control. So that's what I've been doing this morning. Now,
what else did I do this week? So, I went down to Bowral. So, most of you will know that
I call myself the modern day Mary Poppins or other people call me the modern day Mary
Poppins which I can understand why. And, — I know Rosie, she was gorgeous Julie, really
really gorgeous, really beautiful beautiful baby. I, she gave me the best smiles! She
smiled loads at me! So I had her there infant of me, and I said to mum "Every time you
look at a baby, I talk to them in a real positive way and get eye contact, it makes a new connection
in that brain". It's like massive, it's huge stuff. So cuddling, talking in a positive
way, you know, maximising the up time to do some really nice positive, you know relationship
building stuff. Oh, and I also took her out for a cup of cup of tea down the street, so
I got her out for the first time in 8 weeks. I showed her how to use the Ergo Carrier.
Now, it's a long time since I've used an Ergo carried because the last time I had
to use one was was with my sister Lesley when she had her first baby Freya. So that was
quite interesting, Karen showing mum how to put the Ergo carrier on. Had to get the YouTube
video out on the Ergo carrier and we had a little play around with it. But, we got the
baby in the carrier with the newborn insert, and we got her down the street in the Ergo
carrier. So I felt very proud of myself this morning. So that was really great fun. So,
my job involves lots of things. It's not just sleep training. I get to help mums get
their confidence as a new mum and do things that are good for them and good for their
baby, and put some positive stuff back into their world. So, I really love my job. I think
I have the best fun. I meet the most amazing amazing mums and parents and babies and I
call this work. And I got a sea view as well as I walked down the street with the mum.
So, it was all just lovely lovely lovely. So I know I've really helped that mum and
I've really changed her life this morning. So, what else did I do this week? I went to
Bowral. So I went to Bowral to do the modern day Mary Poppins, and I didn't realise but
that's where PL Travers lived in her childhood, so I went to the statue of Mary Poppins from
the Disney film, and I went and took my photograph with her, it's on Instagram, so if you want
a little good laugh, Karen was doing some selfies, which I'm not the best at, but
it was quite good fun. I'm sure people were wondering what on earth I was doing. And then
I went to PL Travers' house and it was just like, just like a pinch me moment. And I've
been to Bowral before and I hadn't realise that's where she came from. But I took a
photograph outside her house and I'm going to write a blog about it because it was just
cool. And so when I do an overnight stay, because I went down to Moss Vale to do an
overnight stay, I like to fill my well afterwards. I like to replenish myself, so then I'm
able to give to other people and that's what I do, that's the sort of crazy thing
cookie la la crazy thing that Karen gets up to on her little trips round New South Wales.
So, there you go, that's what I've been up to this week. That's a part of it. So,
I think it's about time that I got into questions because I have been talking for
a little while. So, let's start first with Peta and Leo. [20:50] And Peta's got a 2
year 9 month old, and she's got a 4 month old little Evie as well. So Peta was the lady
who just won the prize. So, ironically she sent me in a a really interesting question
this week. So Peta lives in Country Victoria I believe. So hi Peta, I know that you're
listening today, and we've conversed through a few little emails. — Yes Tahren I went
to visit Mary Poppins' house, it was perfect, it was just divine. So thank you Tahren. Tahren
told me all about it, so I'm now up on the history and the the history of Mary Poppins
and Bowral. So I loved it Tahren, so thank you so much. Totally made my day, I was so
excited, I still haven't recovered. — So back to sensible things, Peta and Leo. So,
Peta says "I've been listening to your Facebook Live posts for a while now, but I
haven't contacted you before. So first time poster! Hi! You have already helped me get
my baby into self settling. Hopefully you'll be able to help me in your next Facebook Live,
or if needed I could give you a call. I'm from Regional Victoria so a visit isn't
possible". Well who, who knows in the future Peta but I think I can do a lot of good through
through Facebook Live. So, let's have a go at that. "I have a cheeky 2 year 9 month
old Leo", — and the name already says says says stuff to me, because I know quite
a few Leos. So you know how you get names of children and you go "hmm yes I know a
few of those and they are a bit like that", so I get the, I get the idea about Leo. But
I love little cheeky ones, — "and a beautiful 4 month old Evie. Leo since 6 months old has
always been a great sleeper and self settler. When he was in his cot he would often happily
play for around 30 minutes before falling to sleep. And when we transitioned to a bed,
he started getting out of bed, it became a game. A really exciting game, really hyping
him up. I was pregnant at the time and it was so physically exhausting to keep putting
him back into bed because this could go on for hours." — I hear you Peta. Yes. — "We
tried reading, but he loves, but he loves books so much that this would get him even
more hyped up." Oh dear. Maybe, maybe 'My Big Shouting Day', that could be interesting.
"We have now changed that to singing lullabies which gets him calmer. So as a solution we
put a baby gate on his door". — Which is a great idea — "He now puts himself
to bed and goes to sleep almost straight away again. He doesn't seem to mind the gate,
and only occasionally yells out for us, usually when he needs a nappy change. But as we move
closer to toilet training, an issue for another time, not showing any signs of being ready,
I know the baby gate is going to have to go. How do I keep him in bed? How do I stop the
getting in and out of bed being played as a game? I don't know if sitting beside his
bed would help, as he would just get off the bed and run past me down the passage". — Mmhmm.
You're totally right Peta. — "Like most toddlers, he's fast and strong". — Yep.
I can picture it. Ninja. — "Once asleep we have never had any problems with him getting
out of bed. It's just that initial going to bed in the evenings, even worse for naps".
— Yep because he's had all day and he's been running around and he's just got energy.
— "Again, love your work and hope you can help. I'll be eagerly watching your
next Facebook Live". So Peta, I meet lots of these kids doing this sort of thing. Now,
when my sister Lesley moved her baby, well toddler Freya from a bed to, sorry a cot to
a bed, for a toddler bed, Freya was a great sleeper until that point. And Freya jumped
out 50 times each night, and Lesley had to keep returning her. And Lesley was just exhausted,
so I feel your exhaustion. I know what it's like, it does become like a game. So we need
to stop the game because otherwise then he gets his second wind, his his adrenaline and
cortisol starts to rise, and it really is out of control, I totally understand. So my
sister and love my sister dearly, but she comes out with some classic lines, as probably
I do and all my family does. And Lesley would say to be "Karen, so Freya's getting out
of bed 50 times. Why's she doing this Karen? Why, why is Freya getting out of bed 50 times?"
And I'd say, I'd answer I'd go "Lesley, because she's 2, and she can." And she'd
go "No no, no no Karen. Why? Why is she doing this Karen? Why is Freya jumping out
of the bed 50 times?". And then I'd answer back again the broken record "Because Lesley,
she's 2, and she can." So, remember me saying before that kids have impulse control
issues until the age of at least 3, maybe even 4, maybe even 5. I have occasional impulse
issues as an adult, so I have a weakness for certain things. I'm not going to out myself
as to what they are. But sometimes my willpower ain't that great. So, I have to work on
it constantly. So toddlers have got a bigger issue because it isn't something that can
be achieved. And, you might have read about the whole brain approach to how kids learn
stuff, and how their brain is structured etc. And I'm a big believer that brain is really
immature for many many many many years, and it's just something that comes in stages
and in time. And we know that boys develop later than girls. And we know that even some
teenage boys don't have that maturity until they get to their early 20s. Some never get
it till their 30s or their 40s, and then they get the midlife crisis. So men really struggle
with a lot of a lot of impulse control issues stuff. Now, sleep training really helps with
impulse control. It really helps with emotional self regulation and physical self regulation.
So it's how you calm yourself down. It's how you cope with the ups and downs of life.
So being able to put yourself to sleep and re-settle is a really big part of this Peta.
So it looks like your little boy can do. So it looks like that isn't what the issue
is. So it's just that he's got, he's a little bit impulsive. So, I'm going to
suggest to you what what I suggested to my sister which was to do this method that is
about giving yourself to him. So it's about about, you are going to actually go and sit
in there if he keeps on jumping out okay? But I would manage this while you've still
got the gate their. Because the gate is like, it it's, it helps, it's a delay thing.
It just stops him from rushing straight out to your room. So I think gates can be really
usefully. And they're not negative. It's not like closing a door on a child. It is
just a safety device. Because we don't want him rushing in the kitchen or the bathroom
or the laundry or anything in the middle of the night. And like I say, kids are very very
impulsive. And I'm not really a fan of locking kids in their room or closing doors on kids
at all. Okay, so that's just my personal thing. As I child, I never liked the door
being closed or being shut. I just think it's just negative and a little bit of a barrier,
so I love the gates. Gates are good because they're safe, and they just create that
little bit of a barrier. So, if he keeps on jumping out and he's really struggling to
manage this, you can get a chair and sit by the side of his bed just to help him get off
to sleep. Now within 24 hours you'd have a very different child there Peta, and it
would really calm things down. So night 1 it's not calm. Night 1 is drama. The other
week I had a little girl running out of her room, down the corridor, and jumped into her
mum's bed, and thought I wasn't going to chase after her. I looked and I thought
"oh have I got the energy?", and I thought "Yeah yeah, come on Karen you've got to".
And so I took control that night. I actually had to pull the little ankles and get her
off the bed. Because then she realised that I actually did mean business then I was going
to put her back to her bed. She'd been in the bed with her mummy for a very long time.
But these kids, they just run like lightening. It is amazing. So, I've got to make sure
that I have my flat shoes on or no shoes on when I'm doing my visits, and very practical
clothes. So, because it does get slightly physical when you've got an older child.
But this about being kind, and this is about about doing things in a very kind way. So,
I would, if if say you remove your gate and you're really struggling with him jumping
out of bed all the time and running out, always return him to his bed straight away. Get him
to get into bed himself, so shoo him back into bed. Don't pick him up and put him
into bed Peta. Get him to put himself into bed. Say "Leo, I'd like you to get yourself
into bed now, come on, hurry up, chop chop". And ask him to put the covers back on himself,
to get hold of the doona and put it back on himself. Okay. If you're giving him water
in the night, put water on the little bedside table. But don't keep on going and replenishing
the water because again that can cause a sleep problem. So anything that you'd do that
he can't do himself, or is not doing himself, becomes a sleep problem. So he needs to do
all these things himself. And again it's this, we need to help him learn how to do
this. So making sure that he's really warm at nighttime, that is really really crucial.
But teaching him how to do this in stages. So, week 1 you can either sit on the bed or
sit on the chair, and you play dead. You do not talk to him, you don't look at him,
you don't pat him, you don't stroke him. You're literally sat there and you are asleep,
your eyes are closed. When he he talks to you, he pokes up your nose, and in your eyes,
pulls your hair, because they do, you ignore ignore ignore. You are so sleepy. And you
can actually say that "Oh I'm so sleepy!". But don't direct him what to do okay? Because
when we direct them and we put put them into bed, we're sort of forcing them. And I don't
think you're that sort of mummy Peta, you look like you're a really kind mummy. But
ask him to get into bed "Chop chop, come on come on Leo, into bed smartish". Because
at night time it is not lovely kind I've got lots of time mummy, it's mummy I am
tired, I need you to get to sleep Leo, okay? The gate on his door or your room, you could
even put a gate on on your room, that's like a delay tactic as well. Sometimes I use
a gate on the parent's room as well as the child's room, or vice versa. And over each
week, by the by by 6 weeks, she should be by the door. And that's how I would manage
that Peta so the toilet training, I'd sort out the sleep first. And you just keep on
doing this each night until you're out out of that room. And it takes at least 4 to 6
weeks till you're in the doorway. And if he ever regresses in the future with potty
training or whatever, just go back to sitting by the bed again, and each week gradually
move yourself out each week. Do it as a really slow thing. Okay. Do it too quickly, it won't
work. My sister didn't listen to my instructions, she did this method over 6 nights. So she
emails me "Dear Sis, dear sis. Can I just tell you your methods don't work. I'm
out of the room, it's night 6. Love Lesley, kisses." So I replied back to sister, "Dear
Sis. Which bit of 6 weeks weeks weeks did you not hear me say? Love Karen. Kisses".
So that proves if you do it too quickly, it doesn't work. Okay and these kids just need
a bit of de-escalating. But it is an incredibly normal thing Peta. So, I hope that's helped
you. But you have to take control, you have to help him to help himself, okay. But it's
a really really normal game. But once you start running after them — "Starting with
the gate still in place?" — Yes I would do absolutely. But once it, once it becomes
a game, it is a game. It's exciting. So this is going to take all the fun out of this.
Okay. Because he knows that you are not going to be running after him, you're not. There's
no game in place. And all he wants really is you. All boys want is their, you know,
and children want is usually their mummy or their dad or their parents. So, giving your
self to them actually sorts this out. So most parents go "But I don't want to sit in
there". But if we actually give ourselves to them, and particularly a boy at this age,
they often do have issues with emotions and separation anxiety, it'll actually calm
everything down. It'll de-escalate everything. Night 1, it'll be a drama. There'll be
2 hours, 1 hour Oscar performance. If he gets out of bed and starts running around his room,
starts playing with toys, remove them calmly, put them in the corridor, don't say a thing.
If he you know, is misbehaving, then you can move your chair to the middle of the room
and say "Until you're sat in the bed and lying down Leo and your eyes are closed, mummy
is not going to sit by the bed and hold your hand. When you lie in the bed, and close your
eyes, mummy will then move back and hold your hand". And that's what we did with this
little girl the other night, we moved backwards, then we moved back. She didn't like it when
we moved to the middle of the room, because we had taken control, the goalposts had moved,
okay. So they're things just to be aware of. But if you find that books are not his
thing, then because it hypes him up, then do the books in the day. Yep, so I hope that's
helped Peta, so, look forward to hearing how you go. Expect a lot of drama on night 1,
often by night 4 or 5 toddlers can escalate so don't worry if it gets worse before it
gets better, and usually within a month, 1 to 2 months, he should be sorted. Now, some
kids will take a couple of weeks to come good, but some will take longer. So I'm a big
believer in don't over promise and under deliver. The hardest kids I've taken have
taken 1 to 2 months to come good to become perfect. But you should start to see some
improvement within a week to 10 days. Okay. If you're doing sleep work and you haven't
seen any improvement within that week to 10 days, and certainly by 2 weeks, then there
could be some organic cause of that sleep issue. So it could be a sleep apnea, it could
be tonsils and adenoids, it could be, you know an ear thing and grommets needed because
they've got fluid on the ear. It could be a food allergy, it could be a reflux, there's
lots and lots of medical things. And I've got a blog about medical issues and sleep,
but most things are behavioural, and most sleep issues respond to this technique really
really well. So, there you go. Good luck Peta, waving the wand for Country Victoria! So,
hope all goes really really well for you and the prize will be coming to you very shortly
of those books. Exciting! [34:34] So next I'm onto Carmel and Audrey, and Audrey is
6 months. "Hi Karen. Question. Audrey's now 6 months old. She was on a relatively
consistent routine which is napping, 2 to 2 and a half hour between naps, taking 35
to 45 minute short sleeps, and one longer one, usually lunchtime. She's recently decided
to only do 45 minute naps. She still seems to need 1 longer one as she will wake up a
little grumpy from one, and won't re-settle herself or be re-settled". — So what I
would suggest, right, sorry, no, there's more, more to the question than that. Sorry.
Don't jump in Karen. Listen to the rest of the question. — "She self settles 90%
of the time really easily, so I don't think keeping her awake longer is an option. She
will give me eye rubbing, yawning and grizzle as tired signs, and then will still do 90
minutes to 2 hours here and there as well. Is this a sign I should be re-thinking her
naps? I don't think she's really ready to drop 1 just yet though. She sleeps generally
from 7pm till 7am at night without any wake ups". — Yay for Audrey! I went to help
Audrey when she was very very little, so just a few weeks old with her sleep, and yep, did
amazing so awesome work Carmel. — "I've been persevering with solids for 6 weeks now,
offering Annabel Karmel recipes, she takes only a little bit and seems very disinterested
in everything. Tried a couple of finger foods too, although I'm slightly uncomfortable
doing this, and she's even less interested in those of feeding herself. Not sure if there's
any correlation between the 2 issues and wondering if you have any ideas on if I need to change
anything. Many thanks in advance for your help, Carmel". It's a pleasure Carmel.
So, these are really common problems with around 6 month old babies. And I come across
lots of babies who are needing 3 naps so this 2 nap, 3 nap thing, it is a little bit of
a transition thing your 6 to 7 months of age. And I'm happy with you know, 45 minutes
to an hour, I think that's a reasonable sleep. But if she's taking 35 minutes or
less, that's not great. But she is to have at least 1 long sleep a day. Now I'd be
a bit worried about her having really short sleeps, 3 short sleeps, because when you have
3 short sleeps, you're not getting on top of cortisol, that stress hormone. So having
a long sleep, particularly in the afternoon, that's the one that helps you get to bedtime
not stressed. So it mops up that cortisol. And having a long sleep, it helps with appetite
as well, it helps with her eating. Because if she's had a little little sleep, it's
like, you end up snack eating and just not having an appetite. So I'm happy with the
long nights sleep, that's really good. Now, I'm thinking that she needs to be up a little
bit longer. I know you're not really sure about this Carmel, but that is what I'm
thinking. I'd like to just stretch her sleep out a little bit, her up time, that she should
be having about 3 hours of up time now. So, I'm happy with 2 and a half hours, that's
okay, but I'd like to get to 3 hours if we can do. And the way we get there is through
food. So, we need to look at this food thing and why she's only you know, why she's
not eating all that well. I'm thinking has she got a really sweet tooth? So I went to
help this little baby in Bowral and mum was trying some new foods with her, and new foods
was not really working out all that well. But, if we gave her blueberries first then
she would eat the new foods. So it was really really fascinating. So, imagine yourself,
you're really really hungry, and somebody puts some new stuff down or some finger foods
and you look and you go "Hmm, new stuff. I don't know whether I'll like that".
And then you go "Mmm, I've not really got the skills to be able to pick this this
stuff up. What is this this stuff?". And you're absolutely starving, you know, and
these babies at 6 months of age are really hungry. They get really low blood sugar really
really easily, particularly breakfast, lunch, dinner, you know you can do a couple of snacks
in the day as well to help her. But these these babies I would give them what they like,
and then give 1 new food each week. So, it takes about 2 weeks to get onto the finger
food little little bandwagon. So I'd start with looking at sweet things, because most
babies have got a really sweet tooth. Okay, and we're not going to really encourage
the sweet tooth, but we're working around the problem. Because once we go "I'm going
to give you broccoli and pumpkin and that's it", then Audrey will go "Uh-uh, I'm
not playing ball with this, I'm not going to do this!". And babies don't have the
ability to put the white flag up or to tell us what what it is that they want. They just
go into refusing mode, digging heels, and it gets really really messy then. So, I'd
look at you know you might even want to do desert first. I'm somebody that after a
nightshift, I'm notorious for going across to my cafe and having desert before I have
my savoury. So, some babies are just like Karen and they have a really sweet. But we
shouldn't really be, you know, over-encouraging that sweet tooth, but with healthy, healthy
sweet options. So, we can look, yes, I know Steve. I know what you're saying. I've
outed myself, Karen likes a little bit of cake now and again. But I do eat a healthy
diet as well I'd like to add. So, I'd be looking at things like pear and you could
even give pear followed by a savoury. You could even put pear in with the savoury. So
it's like when you have sweet and sour pork and or you have you know, those sort of like
sweet things and savoury things okay? I want you to mix things together because I think
that could be the solution. But you want to give a some dessert, some really sweet stuff
first before you move onto savoury. So not all of us like savoury for breakfast, some
of us like sweet. So look at the sweet, look look at something like pancakes and you can
spread them with a Nutella or a Nutella healthy equivalent of Mayvers who do a organic peanut
butter and cacao mixture that you can spread on there. And that can be a great solution.
Cut them into little pieces to start with and make bigger and bigger and bigger pieces
of pancake. You could even have them made up, and then you're ready to go in the morning,
because if you're waiting too long for breakfast, they just lose the plot. So finger foods really
really important. But I'd do the spoon as well Carmel. So I think it's food that's
behind this. But we need to look at calorie dense. So calorie dense really helps kids
space their naps out. And 80% of that, I can hear a cat, sorry! I've got a very cat,
cute cat called Ziggy. And let me introduce you to Ziggy, sorry. This is Ziggy, Ziggy
would like to be on Facebook Live today. He says hello to the people out there. He's
a little boy whose just 1 year old, and yes I named him after Ziggy Stardust. So, say
hello to the people Ziggy. He liked a bit of lap time. Alright, bye Ziggy! Back to question.
He's way too cute. Yeah, I know. That was shameless of me, I know. Slightly obsessed
by cats girl, as well as babies. So, I would like at this at this calorie dense stuff because
80% of your brain is grown by the age of 2. So, your brain needs fat because your brains,
you know, your brains made of fat. It needs a really high fat diet. So we need to look
at how we give more calories rather than volume. So volume should be about a cup to a cup and
half between 6, 7 months of age and a year of age. But we need to look at how we give
more calories. So, fat has double the amount of calories of carbohydrate. So for example
if you put some avocado on on on toast, if you put this organic cacao and peanut butter
onto pikelets or pancakes, if you made scrambled eggs and you put full cream in there as well,
thickened cream. So Bill Granger does this great scrambled egg recipe, and it makes the
scrambled eggs really firm, so they're not sloppy, so they're easier to be pick up.
And babies have a grasp reflex between 6 and 8 months. So we need to look at things that
they can grasp. Okay. The pincer comes later at about 8 months of age. So we need to look
at quite big bits of food as well. I'd be giving a whole banana, I'd be looking at
Cruskits that are spread with things like avocado and peanut butter. And I'd be spreading
these things on 3 times as thickly as what you would for yourself. So not talking about,
you know, keeping calories down, we're talking about keeping calories up. And kids will lick
this stuff off crackers and off Cruskits, so we need to lather the stuff on. The Philadelphia
cream cheese, the peanut butter, the humous, the tahini, everything that's really high
in fat, we need to just give plenty of it alright. You can't fir the arteries up,
you can't cause heart disease. So I hope that's given you some ideas there Carmel.
But we need to look and think how can we give really high fat stuff? Okay. Now maybe I need
to write a blog about this as well Carmel, so you've just given me an idea. I do have
a list of all these things that I give out to people on on home consults. So I'm going
to just put that into a little blog and I'll send the link Carmel when I've done it.
So I hope that's helped. But I'd be looking at doing a bit of re-settling with this nap,
but I'd be looking at the food because I think your food is your key to this. I don't
think it's the nap that's the problem because you're self-settling. I think it's
a food issue, and I think you're totally right. Just need to find Audrey's thing.
And you know, I think stretching those naps out a little bit, getting a little more up
time, but looking at what Audrey likes. I know everybody's obsessed, sorry not obsessed,
freaked out by food and choking. So the gag is noisy, the choke is silent. I think every
mum worries about about the food stuff, and I think it's massive, and the gag is actually
protective okay? So, it's so they don't choke. And it's about giving them some freedom.
Now I've got heaps of YouTube videos. My youngest baby eating chicken drumsticks and
lamb cutlets, he's 6 months old. And I think it's important that we allow babies to explore
and find their thing, okay? But if we allow that to happen, we have a better relationship
with them, and they'll have a better relationship with food. So, try and just keep yourself
cool and calm and collected although you might not be inside, and try not to panic if you
get a gag reflex. Just try and let it go, okay, it's all part of learning. Okay so,
let's look at the next question. So, I've got a question for Sophie. [44:50] And she
says "Hi Karen. So Harris is sleeping better, but Artemis my daughter 2 and a half years
old has recently had a 6 day fever that ended in a trip to emergency." — I'm just
going to have to pick Ziggy up and put him on my knee because he's doing a little bit
of miaowing. He's obviously missed me. Oh! Right, okay, I know. — "And she's recently
been feeling better on antibiotics including a dose in the middle of the night, but she's
now got into the pattern of waking several times a night for mummy daddy cuddles. She'll
hop back into bed quickly and without fuss after a 30 second cuddle. But she's just
calling for them too frequently throughout the night. How do we return to a good nights
sleep after sickness? Should we give it time? Should we wait until her course of antibiotics
has finished? She was a very sick girl, it was heartbreaking". — And I, Yeah I know
Carmel, here comes Ziggy, I know. He, he couldn't he couldn't help it, he liked to video bomb
rather than photobomb. So, slightly attention seeking some of my cats. So, so back to this
serious question of Artemis. It's really horrible when kids are really sick and I really
feel for you, it must have been very very stressful. And to be in hospital for so long
as well. Okay. I know Zig Zig, do you want to get down? Where do you want to be? You
going? No you're staying here right come and sit on my knee, right there we go. So,
I think if she's feeding better like you said that she was, she's eating her solids
better and you know, her temperature's come down, I think it's okay to start doing a
little bit of gentle sleep work with her. Be guarded by her, by Artemis. So, once kids
appetites are better, then it's a sign that they really are coming good and they need
to eat better to be able to sleep. So all this as you know is really connected together.
So she comes in for the wanting mummy daddy cuddles. So, I'd try and avoid too much
cuddles, because when you do cuddles it just reinforces the waking, okay, and that creates
can create, sorry cat on lap, right, right cat's gone thank goodness, right. Now, it
creates this, this waking thing. So, it really imprints that behaviour. So, try try and avoid
doing too much cuddles. Try and just get her back to bed quickly and go "Come on Artemis",
you know "Chop chop, get back into bed. And when you're back into bed I'll do
a little cuddle". So then you're rewarding the behaviour of getting back into bed, rather
than doing the cuddle in your room. Because I think when you do the cuddle in your room,
that's going to make her keep waking up more and come into your room. We want to avoid
that from happening. So again like I've said to Peta previously, you can use the the
gate on your room if you don't want to put one on her room. But get her back in into
bed quickly and just say "When you're back in bed Artemis, then I'm going to give
you a cuddle". So it's 'when' and 'then'. They're really 2 really important
words. And I use that a lot with toddlers. Because if you use 'if' and 'then'
that's like bribery. "When you're back in bed, then I will give you a cuddle".
So she knows exactly what needs to happen. Okay. Without communication with toddlers,
it's really important that we're really playing with what we're saying. But even
a cuddle in your bedroom and even getting her into your bed temporarily for a little
cuddle, can really imprint that waking up and coming into your room. So that's one
thing that I would look at. But I'd be looking at her food and increasing those calories
as well. So, giving her as much food as possible. Giving her things that she likes to start
with until you get her back onto food again. It might be things like you know, putting
putting cream into rice pudding desert, it might be things like banana splits with ice
cream, it might be things that you might not consider to be totally healthy. But, it's
about giving those calories to help her sleep. And when you've been ill, you lose a lot
of weight. So I think a bit of short term, a few little treats, special treats while
she gets better, you can always wean her off it later. It takes a week to 10 days to change
a behaviour, so just do it gradually. Everything we do with children we should do gradually
and it tends to work so much better. And, that's what I would do there so, I think
it's fine to start this before the antibiotics has finished. I think doing a little bit,
like I said, gentle work now will really help you long term. Because the longer we do something
different, this has been you know, she had a 6 day fever, and between a week 10 days,
we've not got much longer before this new behaviour's imprinted. So we've just got
to be really really careful about that. Okay so hopefully that helps Sophie. "She's
in a cot and just calls out for cuddles". That's fine you can cuddle her through the
bars, you can say "When you're lying down, you know, mummy will give you a little cuddle
through through the cot bars", okay, or give her a cuddle in the cot. But try and
just if, you know, sit by the cot, just put your hand in, and you can replace a cuddle
with that. And that will do least harm and least problems with sleep. So I'd try and
avoid cuddles really because cuddles eventually will cause a problem. And while they're
lovely, and we love our children and cuddles are really important, in the middle of the
night you don't want to cause a sleep problem by doing lots of cuddles. So I would try and
say "Lie down Artemis, sleepy time, mummy's just going to put my hand here, you can hold
mummy's hand". That will cause least harm than a cuddle. Okay. And certainly try and
avoid taking her out the cot because that's going to cause the biggest problem. So hopefully
that's helped Sophie, so waving the wand and I hope Artemis is, is much better soon.
She's such a little cutie. Very brave little girl. And tell her Karen's bringing some
little sleep dust to put in her cot and to make her better. [50:13] So next I'm onto
Bianca Gualtieri. So "Hi Karen. I'm just wondering if you can suggest how much a 10
month old should be eating at lunch and dinner. Also any meal suggestions that are 1/3 low
GI 1/3 protein. Thanks a lot". So, 10 month old Bianca, I would be looking at about a
cup to a cup and a half or even 2 cups of food at each meal. Okay. And they can eat
more than 1 adult male can eat. So I'd be looking at the equivalent of 2 to 3 Weetabix
at each meal, but also the calorie dense thing that I talked about about increasing the fat
because fat's got double the calories of carbohydrates. So, I'd be looking at things
like chicken, I'm a big fan of chicken, particularly bed or turkey at bedtime, because
that's got high tryptophan, and you know me I'm obsessed with my tryptophan, my favourite
word. And I'd be looking at giving something like low GI. I'd be looking at pumpkin or
sweet potato. You can do wedges and you can do chicken drumsticks, so that would would
give would tick all those boxes Bianca. You can do things like pasta spirals and particular
if you do them as wholemeal because again more high in tryptophan and — Hi Bianca
— And I'd be looking at, you could even coat them like Italian Nonna's do, and I
guess you're Italian with your last name in melted butter with parmesan, yay! What's
better than that? It's yum! Divine! So I learn a lot from all the different families
and cultures that I go to. But we want really high fat stuff. We're looking at things
like, you now, if you made lasagne, if you made moussaka. So, we could do a moussaka
and we could do something with, you know obviously it's going to have the eggplant in there.
We could put some low GI pureed cups, yeah you could still do purees still, but I'd
be looking more at finger foods. So, finger foods much better at 10 months of age, and
we want to get them eating, feeding themselves. But not all babies can feed themselves sufficiently
so we might want to do a bit of win win. So we're looking at things, something like,
I've got an Annabel Karmel recipe for for chicken, sweet potato or pumpkin, and dried
apricots with onion and chicken stock. It's on my blog. Really great recipe, takes 20
minutes to cook, really easy, freezes, yum yum yum. Something else that's really good,
I've got a great recipe for creamed lentils on there. You could serve that again with
some diced chicken in there as well, you could blend that up as well. So, the recipes is
on there for ocean trout or salmon with creamed lentils. You could also put chicken in there
instead, and blend it up, and then that way you can use it for the whole family as well.
So, lots of options there. So they're things I would be looking at Bianca. And other things
for low GI, I'd be be looking at even even things like sandwiches, looking at things
like jaffles, you know the sandwich press, because again that's finger food that you
can pick up really easy now. So they're just a few things I'd look at. So I hope
that's helped you Bianca. So, all good. And maybe I should write a blog about that
as well. Karen's got some work to do. Busy busy busy! So, what else have we got come
through? Okay from last weeks Facebook Live, oh Tahren answered last week Julie, so Tahren
had the answer to, I actually went to see her personally, Tahren got a personal visit
from Karen. She went to Bowral to see Tahren after she'd been to see the other little
little family over in Moss Vale, so I had a face to face with Tahren, and we had a lovely
little visit, so I enjoyed my cup of tea and she gave me some lovely rhubarb, so I'm
going to make some lovely organic rhubarb crumble. So I'm a bit of a sucker for rhubarb,
so thank you Tahren, and it was really lovely to see you and Jasper. And Jasper is just
gorgeous. So I'd sleep trained him about 2 or 3 months ago, and do you know what he
did, he came straight for me and gave me the biggest hug. And I sleep trained him. So,
that's a sign that sleep training has been done in a respectful way, in a very kind way,
and he does good hugs does Jasper. It was really really beautiful and yeah, really cute
boy. And he's gorgeous, really really gorgeous, and Tahren's lovely, lovely lovely, I had
a lovely little morning there. So, Tahren knows exactly what to do with the with the
cold and stuff. Lauren, hi, hello Lauren. I'm very spoilt. Just gorgeous, he's does,
he does good cuddles does Tahren, he does the best cuddles, so that was really lovely
was that. He just put his arms out for me and and gave me the biggest hug you know,
I don't ask for cuddles. They just, they just get given to me. I think I'm so lucky.
So, Lauren. [54:42] "Hi Karen. I'm back at work now and Hugo had his first full day
of daycare today and didn't sleep all day, 7 till 5pm. They said they put him in the
cot room in his sleeping bag etc and became very distressed, and tried to fall asleep
numerous times but other screaming babies woke him every time. They tried taking him
out and patting him." — Oh my God — "I told them not to. No patting as he hates it".
And as you know, I'm a big fan of the keep the hands off the baby, no patting #nopat
#nopatmovement. So, the amount of patting that goes on and as everybody knows and you
know as well, it drives me mad Lauren. So, we need to be educating daycares that patting
is not the way to go. It is the big undoing of sleep and causes massive sleep issues.
So I can understand why you're upset, I'd be upset too, particularly after all the hard
work you've done. "Thankfully Hugo is such a happy chilled bub". — It is. — "And
even when I put him to bed he was okay but very exhausted, and fell asleep as soon as
I put him down. I just feel terrible that he can't have his 2 sleeps he really needs
that he has at home. Thanks again Karen, and I'll watch the video tomorrow night".
And I can understand this Lauren. It is really frustrating. So I'd look at the daycare.
And I'd look at what he's eating at daycare. I'd look at the room environment. I'd
look at you know how dark that room is, how many other children are in there. I went into
a daycare last week as most of you know from last week, and it was just divine it was a
utopia. But I have to say that most daycares are not utopia when it comes to sleep because
some children are not sleep trained, some don't sleep very well, some babies are obviously
a little bit stressed in daycare. Sounds like Hugo is not a stressed boy and he's been
sleep trained and I did a phone consult with Lauren, so I know that Hugo has been amazingly
sleep trained and sleeps extremely well. I think eventually he will do it Lauren, but
tell them not to pat. So tell them if he if by you know half an hour he's not gone to
sleep, then to get him up, give him something else to eat, and then just try again. Are
they giving him the feed directly before his sleep? What exactly are they giving him? So
I'm looking at those foods high in tryptophan again, but I'd do the milk feed and then
pop him down because that sort of thing's going to help him with his sleep. But I'd
look at getting those other kids down first or either getting him down first, and then
getting the other ones down. Maybe they need to just work on staging when kids are going
to sleep. That either they put the best ones down first, and then sort the new ones that
don't sleep very well or the ones that don't sleep very well full stop down next. But I'd
be, you know, I'd be asking daycare a few little questions there. But I guess it's
something new so it takes a week to 10 days to change a behaviour like I said before so
he's going to take a little while for Hugo to get used to this daycare. But I would look
at how they're doing this. Because sometimes you know, logic can go out of the window,
sometimes they don't think of the most logical things. So, I'd be looking at a staged approach,
and just say that Karen doesn't like patting and you don't want to incur the wrath of
Karen. So, if you want to talk to me, I'm more than happy to talk to them about sleep.
I do help with daycares and sleep quite a lot. I don't charge for it, and particularly
know, when I've seen you at home, I've done a phone consult with you Lauren, it's
all part of my service and helping you. Because sleep doesn't just stop by me doing the
phone consult or you know, and I think it's really important that we look at things holistically,
and look at helping these kids in different sleep environments. So, I think that is enough
for today peoples, so I hope that's helped you Lauren, and waving the wand for daycare,
and you know, tell them to call me if you know, or you know, we can chat together as
well and problem solve this Lauren, and see what we can work out love. So I hope you all
have a fabulous week, I just wanted to remind you about the 'Hello Night Kids' competition
that we're doing on Facebook Live today, on Nurture Parenting. So you need to like
this video. You need to like 'Hello Night Kids' on Facebook, and then you'll be
entered into the draw to win $100AUD gift voucher, how awesome is that? So I think that's
pretty cool. And 'Hello Night Kids' are amazing. I think Tu has created an absolutely
incredible product. And I think, I think it'll be you know, the lucky person that's going
to win that. And you also get to have a 10% off voucher, 10% off coupon if you buy through
Nurture Parenting's code which is the K1SLEEP, and you enter that at their checkout, and
in the future 'Hello Night Kids' sleepwear will be on our website on our online shop.
And I'm so excited about that. And, I wish Tu all the best with this. It's really nice
to see this come to fruition after all the hard work that she's put it, and it's
going to really make a massive difference to children, toddlers, and their sleep. And
it's going to really help them learn to sleep through the night, particularly for
those cool months. So, have a lovely week and bye from Karen, and I will see you all
next week! Bye!
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