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>> Colleges and universities come in many different types and sizes, from a small single
building technical college to a huge university with many large buildings. That gives you
a lot of choices but here is a simple tour of different college types to help you sort
out your options.
>> Technical colleges tend to offer 2-year programs that concentrate on teaching knowledge
and skills for a specific career. Students who leave these institutions will be job ready
with specific career skills. Technical colleges tend to be smaller and may not have some of
the amenities we typically associate with large colleges like dormitories. Community
colleges also tend to offer 2-year programs where students can begin working on a bachelor's
degree and then transfer to a 4-year university to complete their schooling. Community colleges
also offer 2-year career programs that prepare you for a specific career. Like technical
colleges, they are typically smaller than 4-year colleges and universities. There are
also schools like the Minneapolis Community and Technical College that combine the technical
and community college. State universities are generally larger than other colleges and
offer a large variety of degrees and majors. They typically include many buildings and
you may have to travel a large distance to get from one class to another. Oftentimes,
large universities will have their own bus or transit system to help you get from one
part of the university to another. Because universities are large in size, they typically
also have larger class sizes. Universities also will offer the largest variety of options
for housing and student activities. All colleges and universities are different but there are
few features that are common among many of them. Many colleges have a library for students
to use where they can check out books, do research and find a quiet place to study.
Many of your classes will require you to purchase books and many colleges have a bookstore on
site where you can buy new or used textbooks and other items like discounted computer software.
Depending on the size of the school you are attending you might find food options available
anywhere from a small coffee shop to a large cafeteria. You might even have several options
for places to eat. Every college and university has a variety of clubs and student organizations
that are a great way to socialize and meet new people. Clubs could be centered around
hobbies, sports, academics, cultural backgrounds and more.
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>> To help us learn more about college life and the types of services available, let's
talk to the director of the Office for Students with Disabilities at a community college and
a student that is currently attending college who uses disability services.
>> Hi, I'm Debbie Tillman, the Director of the Office for Students with Disabilities
at Normandale Community College. In the past I was also a special education teacher at
the high school level.
>> My name is Ann Motl. I'm a junior at the University of Saint Thomas. My major is mechanical
engineering and I went to Staples Motley High School.
>> The college environment can be very different from the one that you experience in high school.
In high school, teachers always check your completed work. In college, professors may
not even look at your homework but they assume that you've learned the information that they
asked you to perform. In high school, teachers might remind you to get work completed whereas
professors in college might not do that. They'll expect you to read, save, and consult the
syllabus and know exactly what's going on in the class without them telling you what
is in the class.
>> A big difference between college and high school is your schedule. It's definitely not
set at 8 to 5 or 8 to 3 'cause now you have a class that's spread out during the day.
You might have an 8 a.m. class and then not another one until 6 p.m. so you need to make
sure that during the breaks you're getting stuff you need to or getting stuff done that
you need to like your homework. I always think it's really good. Just review yourself right
after you get out of class before you forget or do your homework right away just because
that way it's still fresh in your mind and it's little things like that you need to get
used to from high school because now you all have this time but then okay, it's finals
week and you're like whoa, I don't have any time so, just time management is huge.
>> In high school, teachers are available before, during and after class and they may
ask students if they need additional assistance. In college, professors expect students to
initiate the contact and see them during the scheduled office hour.
>> When I was a freshman I didn't realize how important office hours would be and then
I actually started going and realized oh, my professors do wanna help me, like they
have a time so decide for that and so that was really helpful to go there and then like
getting to know you which is good too.
>> At high school, teachers provide information about missed work. Professors in college expect
students to get notes from someone else in class if they missed class for a particular
day. Teachers at high school try to write all the information on the board. Professors
in college may lecture nonstop and they expect students to identify the important points
and they may or may not write on the board although most do use a PowerPoint. In high
school, tests are frequent and cover small amounts of material. In college, the tests
are infrequent and cover a large amount of material. High school students are required
to read short assignments that are discussed and re-taught in class whereas in college
students are assigned substantial amounts of reading and writing which may not be directly
taught in class but they'll be expected to know on a test or a quiz. In high school,
grades are often given for assigned work and students can receive substantial amounts of
points for attendance. Colleges usually grade on a few tests and papers and daily work may
not even be graded. In college, a student could have perfect attendance and could fail
the course if they didn't do any of the work. High school involves being in class about
30 hours a week whereas in college you will be in class 12 to 16 hours a week. College
students have to spend a lot more time out of class studying whereas in high school a
lot of that school work could be done while they are in class during the day. This information
is also available at www.mnade.org. The kind of housing that's available while going to
college varies from person to person and from school to school. Some students choose to
live in a dormitory on campus but other schools don't provide a dormitory, so there is the
option for students to get an apartment either with other people or by themselves. Students
can also choose to live at home while they go to school, and that's a way to get support
from their family and live close to where they're going to school. Transportation in
the post secondary level is very different from a high school. The post secondary institution
does not provide transportation for students so students have to figure out on their own
how they're going to get to the college. They could use public transportation. They could
drive their own car. They could walk. They could use a bicycle. I mean there are a lot
of modes for transportation. If a student has a physical disability they have a couple
options as well. If you live in the metro area you could use a service such as metro
mobility that you would need to make sure you have in place before you start school.
You could be dropped off by a parent or a friend or you could drive yourself if that's
a possibility. Some institutions will provide busses and other transportation within the
university setting so that's also a possibility for transportation. A major is the course
of study that you choose to go for when you're in college. So, some people have a major of
education or psychology or business. Those are all majors but so are culinary, law enforcement,
carpentry. Those are majors. Choosing a major is different depending on the program that
you would like to be in at a college campus. If a student is interested in a career program,
those classes are basically chosen for you so your major is chosen by being in that career
program. For instance, if you are going to be on a culinary program, your major would
be culinary and so you would go to a school that has culinary classes. Certain schools
don't have culinary classes but if you wanna go for culinary you'd wanna go to a college
with a culinary program and those classes would be very specific and then you'd have
a major chosen.
>> Most students though don't have a major when they first go to college. They might
go to a community college and say I'm just doing my generals and that's liberal arts,
they're doing their first 2 years of general curriculum. If they go to a 4-year college,
it's the same way generally for most majors. And then by the end of the second year, once
you've done the 60 credits you'll need to have picked a major. Some people change their
minds many times on a major and they'll even switch schools depending on their major. So,
you don't have to have a major but if you're going to go in a specific career program that
major is determined upfront before you even start school. Many resources are available
to help a student pick a college. The biggest resource is the internet. You can use a search
engine and find nearly any college in the world and find a lot of information depending
on the quality of the website. So I would--I always refer students to go to the website
and find things. There's a specific site that was very helpful that was developed by the
PACER Center called C3online.org and you can find a lot of information about schools through
that website. The other places that you can get information about choosing colleges is
taking a career class, going to a career center both at a college or at a high school, talking
to your counselor, talking to a teacher and talking to other people you know and having
them give you information about colleges that they may have attended or programs that they
have experienced themselves. When making a decision about where you'd like to attend
college there are a lot of things to consider. Fortunately, there are many choices in the
state of Minnesota and in the Twin City area.
>> There was a lot of planning. I planned for college basically from the time I was
a freshman in high school just because you need to do all the applications, the ICT,
SAT, scholarship applications so just plan as early as you can because there's so much
to get done. In that way you can just enjoy your time after you've finished all those
applications and everything you need to do, so.
>> The first thing that I would think about is your career choice, your career path. Certain
colleges are gonna have that option that they're thinking about. For instance, if they're looking
at carpentry or culinary or law enforcement, they'll wanna go to a specific school. So
taking into consideration the career plan is really important.
>> I knew that I wanted to go for engineering and my mom wanted me to stay in Minnesota
'cause it's close so basically my options were the U of M or Saint Thomas. At first,
I really wanted to go to the U just because it's so much bigger and I thought it would
be really great but I actually toured both places twice and the second time I'm like
oh my gosh, I have to go to Saint Thomas. I'm like oh man, I could not imagine going
from like west bank to east bank in the winter. I don't think it would have worked very well
with my wheelchair and so.
>> The other thing to consider is if they're looking to have a 2-year degree or a 4-year
degree. If they would like to get a 2-year degree in law enforcement that can be started
and completed at a community college. But if a student would like a 4-year degree in
law enforcement, they could start that at a community college and end it at a 4-year
institution. Or they could do the whole thing at a 4-year institution. So there are very
many choices for students to think about depending on what their other needs in their life are.
If you're not--don't have a major and you don't know what you wanna do, community colleges
offer the opportunity for you to do your general education requirements. Most 4-year degrees
require 2 years of general ed. Another consideration is cost. Within most states, you have the
choice between public colleges and private colleges. Public colleges in the state of
Minnesota are two large systems. The first large system is the University of Minnesota
system and if students go to the University of Minnesota system, that's a public system
and it's going to be less costly. MNSCU, the Minnesota State Colleges and Universities
is another large system and that's what community colleges, technical colleges and their 4-year
colleges are involved in. And those are generally less expensive than a private college. Now,
sometimes a private college is a better option and that's because privates might have a very
specific program, just what you want, that you can finish in maybe a year or 18 months
because it might continue through the summer. So going to a public college is not always
the best choice for everyone. Going to a private college is not always the best choice for
everyone. But you have to think about the cost. The cost will vary a lot between a private
and a public. Financial aid is generally provided at the college through the financial aid office.
So just like other students who don't have a disability, people with disabilities need
to do their FAFSA and need to apply for financial aid assistance. However, sometimes colleges
will have a specific scholarship or foundation money that's available for people with disabilities
so you should check with your financial aid office about that. Grants may also be available
through a student's parent's place of work. You can find additional financial aid information
too on the C3 website.
>> Well, I think both the UM and Saint Thomas has an issue because not all the buildings
are accessible 'cause of older, older buildings. I know here there's a few buildings that I'll
never have classes in just because there's no entrance that's accessible so, I have priority
registration so when I sign up for classes I can get them switch other buildings where
I don't have to take a class in that building. And I thought at Saint Thomas just because
it was private and it's not like funded by the state, they wouldn't have to be accessible
but they still do.
>> When students decide on a place that they want to attend to go to college, there are
people on those campuses, staff people, that can help you choose your classes. Most colleges
require that students attend an advising and registration session and staff at those advising
and registration sessions help students pick their classes. Additional assistance of picking
out class can be provided by other staff on campus including counselors, disability services,
career center and student support services. Students can also ask faculty about the classes
for a particular program and that can assist them in picking classes. If you as a student
start falling behind in a class, there are many things that you can do and services available.
But the most important thing is you need to take charge and speak to someone. Many students
will stop attending class when they start feeling overwhelmed, frustrated and anxious
and that's the worst thing you can do is just to give up. So you need to seek those services
so someone can help you. There are lots of places where you can receive assistance on
the college campus. One of them is disability services. They can help you with the process
and help you to know who you should talk to. If you're having difficulty in class you should
also talk to your instructor. Your instructor can help you if you're having concerns about
a particular assignment or they can help you know what you should or shouldn't do to try
to stay up with the class. You could also speak with the counselor and they can be of
assistance. Student support services people are also available. Most colleges have an
academic center if you needed assistance with study strategies, organization and time management
and there are usually a staff in those spaces to assist a student as well. Most colleges
also have tutoring available. If you need that kind of assistance make sure you go to
those centers and get the help that you need. Everyone will provide similar accommodations
but the mode in which they provide it will be different. So, it's important for students
that have a disability to talk to the disability person at the school that they would like
to attend and go there for a visit and a discussion with that person and find more about what
they need and how it would be provided at that school.
>> Yeah, I think most colleges have disability services and at Saint Thomas it's actually
called enhancement services just because they wanted--it's more of an equalizer so students
with disabilities are at the same playing level as other students so they helped me
from the time before I came here actually and yeah, they still are. I work with resident
slide through them getting accessible housing on campus. They arrange note takers for my
classes. I take my test in their office because I have extended time 'cause it takes me longer
to write and then they're just really helpful. Anything that I could think of they'll try
to help me out with.
>> College disability offices provide a lot of accommodations but usually the most common
accommodation is extra time for test. Other testing accommodations can include a quieter
place, having an audio version of the test, enlarged, use of computer so there are many
accommodations that can be done with a testing accommodation but extra time is the most common.
The way services are provided at the college level through disability services can be very
different from the way they were provided in the K-12 system. Most of the services provided
at the college level are accommodations so things like extra time for test, quiet place
for test, note takers, all those things are accommodations. In high school, many students
experienced modifications so their tests were changed. The curriculum was changed so that
the student could experience success. In college, we will not modify the curriculum but we will
accommodate it. It's really important, however, for students to be able to talk to their instructors
or talk to the disability services person to find out if the accommodations that they
had in high school that helped them could also be implemented in the college.
>> When I first came here I brought in my 504 plan and like the accommodations are received
from the ACT and we worked out a plan from there but I still need to schedule all my
tests and make sure that all the accommodation requests get sent to all my professors and
talk to my professors myself a lot of the time too.
>> Students need to discuss their concerns with the disability services coordinator so
that they know the differences between how the accommodations will be implemented at
the college level. If students don't understand that, they can become very frustrated. I also
find it very helpful that if a student knows that they want to attend college, that they
use only accommodations in their junior and senior year of high school. That way they're
used to the accommodations and they're not getting the curriculum modified so that they're
not throwing off so much when they get to the college.
>> In college versus high school, it's a lot more important to be the initiator. No one's
really--if you don't do something, no one will say why didn't you do this. You have
to look out for yourself a lot of the times and they'll help you like if you ask, but
you ought to be the one to ask for help first of all and then you need to figure out things
with your schedule and their schedule.
>> The financial responsibility for equipment that's needed for the college varies widely
as far as who has to pay for it. Personal devices such as eyeglasses and hearing aids
have to be paid for by the student. The college will usually have software such as Dragon
Naturally Speaking or Kurzweil available to students. But some students may need other
technology or other equipment and that needs to be discussed during the intake process.
It may be that the college will pay for it but it maybe is the student's responsibility
to pay for it depending on what it is and how it's used.
>> I know there's a lot of assistive technologies that you can use here like Dragon Naturally
Speaking is available in one room in the library. Those services such as note takers and using
the assistive technology that Saint Thomas has is free cost to students.
>> Disability documentation is usually required in order for a student to receive accommodations.
The kinds of documentation needed may vary from student to student but usually, the sources
of documentation would include high school records which would be an IEP in the last
evaluation, medical records or documentation from a psychologist, specialist, social security
or vocational rehabilitation.
>> Find the time to know the disability services that the school has, find out what services
they offer and what documentation they need. I know at the U, you need a lot more documentation
than you would here.
>> In order for a student to receive accommodations at a post secondary institution they will
need to meet with a disability coordinator. That meeting is usually called an intake interview.
If you have questions about your documentation, a student could meet with the disability person
either during a college visit or during the intake to see if the documentation that they
have is sufficient. At the intake, the student will need to provide documentation in order
to receive accommodations. From that time, an accommodation plan most likely will be
put in place for that student. Some accommodations take additional time to implement such as
audio books, braille books, sign language interpreters and technology needs. Some accommodations
can be put into place however quite quickly. So that's why it's important for a student
to meet with a disability coordinator before school starts so that these accommodations
can be put in place and can be ready to go the first day of school. Students should also
be aware that there are other services off campus that could be very helpful in the completion
of college. One of these places is vocational rehabilitation and another is social security.
So check these out to see if you would qualify for these services.
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>> College is the most challenging time of my life so far but it's also been most rewarding
time so, just that I wanna wish everyone good luck on their search and you can do it.
>> I wish you well in your post secondary journey.
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