NBC NEWS BROKE THE STORY THIS MORNING THAT A FIFTH PREVIOUSLY
IDENTIFIED PERSON WAS AT THE CONTROVERSIAL DONALD TRUMP, JR.
MEETING AT TRUMP TOWER WITH THE RUSSIAN LAWYER --
THIS IS A QUOTE FROM HIS LAWYER, WHO SAYS --
CASE CLOSED, I GUESS, AT THIS POINT.
BUT YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND
THAT THAT IS A STATEMENT FROM HIS LAWYER.
THIS IS HOW IT WAS
DESCRIBED BY AKHMETSHIN --
BUT HE SAYS HE
WAS NOT FORMALLY A PART OF RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS, AND IS CERTAINLY NOT THESE DAYS.
NOW,
ONTO THE MEETING.
HE HAS SPOKEN ABOUT THE MEETING WITH DONALD
TRUMP, JR. AND OTHERS --
HE SAID HE WENT IN A T-SHIRT AND JEANS BECAUSE HE WASN'T
PREPARED FOR THE MEETING.
HE SAID --
WHICH, WITH THE WORK ETHIC WE KNOW ABOUT THE TRUMP FAMILY,
MAKE SENSE.
THEY HAD TO DO THE RESEARCH SO THEY BOWED OUT.
NOW --
AT FIRST AS I WAS READING HIS DENIALS, THEY SEEM PRETTY GOOD.
HONESTLY, I WAS HALFWAY TOWARDS CONVINCED.
THE THING ABOUT THE
T-SHIRT -- HE WAS LIKE, I'M WILLING TO TALK TO THE SENATE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, I GOT CALLED IN THAT DAY, I DON'T
KNOW.
IT SEEMED LIKE THEY LOST INTEREST AND THEY DIDN'T CARE
ABOUT THIS THINK SHE WAS TRYING TO PUSH, SO I'M READY TO TALK TO
THE AP OR ANYBODY.
I WAS LIKE, SOUNDS CREDIBLE.
AND JUST
BECAUSE HE WAS IN THE SOVIET MILITARY AT ONE POINT DOESN'T
MEAN HE'S KGB FOREVER.
AND ONE EXPERT PUT IT THAT WAY, YOU
NEVER LEAVE THE RUSSIAN SPY AGENCY -- HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
SO I WASN'T THAT CONVINCED.
BUT THEN YOU FIND OUT THAT HE MAINLY
REPRESENTS THE GUY -- I'M NOT AS GOOD AT PRONOUNCING RUSSIAN
NAMES AS YOU ARE -- THE FEMALE RUSSIAN LAWYER.
SHE IS THE
LAWYER FOR THE INCREDIBLY RICH RUSSIAN OLIGARCH THAT HE
REPRESENTS FOR LOBBYING INTERESTS.
WAIT A MINUTE, YOU
GUYS ARE BOTH REPRESENTING THE SAME GUY, THE MAIN THING SHE WAS
PUSHING WAS TO GET SANCTIONS LIFTED OFF OF HIM, SO WHAT THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID WAS THEY SAID CERTAIN RUSSIANS WON'T
BE ALLOWED -- THERE BANK ACCOUNTS WILL BE FROZEN, PEOPLE
ALWAYS SAY THAT LIKE IT'S SOME OBSCURE THING ABOUT ADOPTION,
RUSSIA STRUCK BACK BY SAYING AMERICANS WILL BE ALLOWED TO
ADOPT IN RUSSIA.
THE ADOPTION PART ISN'T THE REAL PART, WE
BLOCKED THE RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS FROM COMING INTO THE COUNTRY AND
MOST IMPORTANTLY FROZE THERE BANK ACCOUNTS.
THAT MATTERS A
LOT, THAT OLIGARCH IS CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO PUTIN.
WAIT A
MINUTE, YOU ARE HIS LOBBYIST, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON DEALS
WITH HIM FOR A LONG TIME, AND OH, THE LAWYER JUST CALLED ME
IN?
THAT THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS, THE FROZEN ASSETS.
A LAWYER WHO WROTE A BOOK CALLED "THE OIL AND THE GLORY"
TRACKS THE RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS AND THE SPYING AND ALL THE THINGS
THAT GO ON, HE SAYS OF ALL THE PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET I KNOW OF
NO RUSSIAN GUN FOR HIRE WHO MANAGED TO RUN HIS CAMPAIGNS SO
SUCCESSFULLY, RUNNING CIRCLES AROUND REPORTEDLY MUCH MORE
SEASONED WASHINGTON HANDS, AS THIS GUY, AKHMETSHIN.
AND WHEN I
READ THAT I WAS LIKE, OH, HE JUST RAN A COUPLE CIRCLES AROUND
ME.
I NEVER FOR ONE SECOND DIDN'T THINK TRUMP KNEW ABOUT THIS.
HIS
FAMILY IS SO CLOSE.
CAN WE READ THE QUOTES BEFORE WE DO THE SPECULATION ABOUT
THAT?
BECAUSE I HAVE DIRECT QUOTES ABOUT THAT.
AND I WILL
SAY FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS ONE MORE THING ABOUT THAT MEETING
THAT DONALD TRUMP, JR.
COULD NOT BE RELIED ON TO ACCURATELY
RECALL, I HAD THOUGHT THERE WERE NO MORE FACTS ABOUT THIS STORY
THAT THEORETICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN LIES.
BUT HE FORGOT ABOUT
THIS PERSON, AND APPARENTLY THERE IS ONE MORE PERSON WHO HAS
NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED, AT LEAST AS OF US RECORDING THIS, GOD
KNOWS WHO THAT WILL TURN OUT TO BE.
THAT WAS IN ADDITION TO THE TRANSLATOR?
THERE WAS AN INTERPRETER, THEN THEY TALK ABOUT A SIXTH PERSON.
LET'S TURN TO DROP.
THE FATHER TRUMP HAS SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW
ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, JR.'S MEETING UP UNTIL VERY RECENTLY,
EVEN THE LAWYERS FOR THE FAMILY APPARENTLY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT
AT LEAST SINCE JUNE.
THE FATHER TRUMP SAYS HE DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT
THE MEETING --
WHICH SEEMS STRONG AND ABSOLUTE, UNTIL LATER THAT NIGHT
WHEN HE SAYS, IN FACT, MAYBE IT WAS MENTIONED AT SOME POINT.
THAT WAS A QUICK TURNAROUND THERE.
IS IT IMPOSSIBLE THAT HE
GOT WIND OF THIS NEW REPORT THAT'S COMING OUT, OR WHAT MIGHT
COME OUT OVER THE WEEKEND?
I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S A QUICK
TURNAROUND FROM I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW, TO MAYBE I KNEW.
THERE'S NO WAY I BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW.
YOU
KNOW HOW CLOSE THE TWO ART, THE FATHER AND THE SON, AND THE
SON-IN-LAW, AND YOU KNOW HOW CONSUMED DONALD TRUMP WAS WITH
THE CLINTONS AND OPPOSITION RESEARCH AND ALL OF THAT.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT DONALD TRUMP, JR., INDEPENDENT OF
ANYBODY, GOT THIS INFORMATION -- EVEN IF HE DID, THAT HE DIDN'T
GO TO HIS FATHER AND SAY LISTEN, WE FOUND SOMETHING HERE.
THERE'S NO WAY.
AND BESIDES, YOU HAVE HIM ON TAPE.
THERE IS ONE PART OF THE
TRUMPS' STORY THAT I DO BELIEVE.
BUT WE HAVE HIM ON TAPE, DONALD
TRUMP, IN BETWEEN THE TIME THAT TRUMP, JR.
GETS THE MEETING BUT
BEFORE HE HAS THE MEETING, HE SAYS WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF
INTERESTING INFORMATION ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON SOON.
AT THAT
POINT HE KNOWS HIS SON HAS THE MEETING, BUT DOESN'T KNOW THAT
THEY WILL GET NOTHING OUT OF THE MEETING.
THAT'S WHY HE'S LIKE,
SOON WE WILL HAVE ALL THIS DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON.
THAT IS ON
TAPE.
WHY DID HE THEN TURN AROUND AND ADMIT, YEAH, I KNEW
ABOUT THE MEETING?
ONE, HE'S AN INVETERATE LIAR.
HE DOESN'T
CARE, THAT IS HIS ONE MILLIONTH LIE.
IF OBAMA SAID HE DIDN'T
KNOW ABOUT THE MEETING AND A DAY LATER HE SAID HE DID KNOW, THAT
WOULD BE UNPRECEDENTED.
TRUMP IS LIKE, WHATEVER, IT'S TUESDAY.
BUT HE COULD HAVE KEPT STONEWALLING -- THEY MUST HAVE
SOME INFORMATION THAT HE KNOWS INVESTIGATORS HAVE.
LIKE AN
EMAIL WHERE HE KNOWS -- BUT WE DO KNOW THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN
HE TURNED AROUND AND SAID OKAY FINE, I KNEW ABOUT THE MEETING.
REALLY FAST, I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS BASED ON THIS STORY, BUT
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY BROKEN DOWN
HOW REGARDLESS OF WHETHER ANYTHING CAME OUT OF IT, LET'S
SAY DONALD TRUMP, JR. IS RIGHT, NOTHING CAME OUT OF IT -- IN THE
EMAIL IT WAS MADE CLEAR THAT HE WAS AWARE THAT IT WAS AN ATTEMPT
BY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT TO DO THIS, WHEN HE SAYS HE DIDN'T
KNOW RUSSIA WAS INVOLVED, THAT'S A LIE.
HE KNEW THEY WERE TRYING.
IF TRUMP ALSO KNEW ABOUT IT THIS ENTIRE TIME, TRUMP HAS SAID IT'S
A MYTHICAL WITCHHUNT MADE UP BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ABOUT A 1
BILLION TIMES AT THIS POINT, WHICH WOULD MEAN HE WAS
KNOWINGLY LYING IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES.
WHICH ISN'T SURPRISING.
CAN WE DISPENSE WITH THAT?
EVEN IF YOU ARE THE MOST DIEHARD
TRUMP SUPPORTER, YOU KNOW HE'S A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.
EVEN HIS
FRIENDS SAY HE'S A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.
IF YOU ARE PRETENDING
THAT'S NOT TRUE, EVEN YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
LET ME QUICKLY, THIS IS FROM GEORGE HW BUSH, AT THE TIME VICE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, IN 1988, LETTER TO HIS SON
GEORGE WHEN HE WAS A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT, HE SAID GEORGE,
WE ARE ABOUT TO SAIL INTO UNCHARTED WATERS IN TERMS OF
FAMILY SCRUTINY.
WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH SOME SCRUTINY BUT IT
WILL GET WORSE, NOT ONLY FOR OUR FAMILY, BUT FOR THE DUKAKISES
AND THE JACKSON'S.
HE SAYS YOU WILL GET A LOT OF NEW FRIENDS,
MY PLEA IS THIS.
PLEASE DON'T CONTACT ANY FEDERAL AGENCY OR
DEPARTMENT ON ANYTHING.
A CALL FROM A BUSH WILL GET RETURNED
BUT THERE'S A GREAT LIKELIHOOD THAT IT WILL BE LEAKED.
I KNOW
THIS SOUNDS DEFENSIVE BUT EVERY EFFORT WILL BE MADE TO FIND ANY
PHONE CALL.
IF THIS IS A LEGITIMATE INQUIRY PLEASE DO IT
THROUGH MY OFFICE, SO NO ONE CAN ACCUSE ANYONE IN THE FAMILY OF
TRYING TO USE INFLUENCE.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BUSHES,
WHATEVER YOU MAY THINK OF THEM, AND HOW THEY APPROACHED, AND THE
TRUMPS, WILLY-NILLY LYING TO EACH OTHER, EVERYBODY IN THE
FAMILY IT SEEMS THAT IT, I FOUND IT REMARKABLE WHEN I SAW THAT.
THAT IS VERY PRINCIPLED BY GEORGE W.
BUSH, AND A GREAT THING TO DO.
IT ALSO SHOWS, AT LEAST HE KNEW HIS SON WAS AN IDIOT.
I THINK HE WROTE IT TO EVERYBODY, BUT I DO THINK HE
KNEW HIS SON WAS AN IDIOT TOO.
THIS KNUCKLEHEAD WILL WANT ANOTHER FAVOR, HE ALWAYS
WANTS A FAVOR JUST LIKE DONALD TRUMP, JR.
AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE BUSHES, IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE
WHO KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
YOU DON'T GET EMBROILED IN SOME LIKE THIS.
AND TRUMP ON AIR FORCE ONE SET I THINK ANYONE WOULD HAVE TAKEN
THIS MEETING.
OF COURSE GEORGE BUSH WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THAT
MEETING.
GEORGE GOT A LEAKED TAPE OF GEORGE W. BUSH'S DEBATE
PREP AND REFUSED TO WATCH IT, THEY TURNED IT INTO THE FBI AND
SAID THIS IS PROBABLY STOLEN MATERIAL.
YES, THERE ARE
ACTUALLY DECENT PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY.
YOU ARE JUST NOT AMONG
THEM IF YOU ARE IN THE TRUMP FAMILY.
THE FINAL THING I
BELIEVE THEM ON, WHICH LEADS ME TO MY THEORY OF PART OF WHAT IS
GOING ON HERE.
WHEN THEY SAY THEY DIDN'T GET ANYTHING OUT OF
THAT MEETING, IT COULD BE A LIE.
HE HAS LIED ABOUT EVERY OTHER
PART OF THE MEETING.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE MEETING, IT WAS JUST
ABOUT ADOPTION, OKAY FINE BUT I DIDN'T GET INFORMATION, I DIDN'T
TELL YOU ABOUT THE FIFTH GUY, NOW HERE HE IS, I DIDN'T KNOW
THEY WERE CONNECTED TO THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, NOW THERE IS
AN EMAIL THAT SAYS THEY WERE CONNECTED TO THE GOVERNMENT, HE
SAYS I LOVE IT -- BUT WHY DO I BELIEVE THEM?
BECAUSE AFTER THE
MEETING, TRUMP THEN CAME OUT AND SAID, HEY, IF YOU'VE GOT THOSE
30,000 EMAILS THAT HILLARY DELETED, RUSSIA, SEND THEM OVER.
HE WOULDN'T HAVE SAID THEM IN PUBLIC IF THEY ALREADY HAD THE
EMAILS, OR THEY ALREADY GOT INFORMATION FROM THE RUSSIANS,
OR THEY ALREADY HAD A GOOD ENOUGH CONNECTION TO THAT
PARTICULAR BRUSH AND IN THE MEETING THAT THEY JUST HAD.
I DISAGREE WITH THAT POINT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK HE SAID
SEND THEM OVER, I THINK HE SAID SOMEONE SHOULD HACK, SOMEONE
SHOULD LEAK.
THEM THEORETICALLY REGARDLESS OF WHETHER HE WAS
INVOLVED, HE CALLED FOR IT BUT HE DIDN'T DO IT.
IS A BIG DIFFERENCE, BUT IT STILL THE SAME THRUST OF WHAT
HE'S SAYING.
BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
THE FINAL PART IS A LITTLE BIT OF SPECULATION ON MY PART.
YOU
LOOK MORE INTO AKHMETSHIN, THIS FIFTH GUY -- AND BY THE WAY HE
APPARENTLY ONCE MASTERMINDED A HACKING SCHEME -- BUT HE ALSO
DEVELOPED SPECIAL EXPERTISE IN RUNNING NEGATIVE PUBLIC
RELATIONS CAMPAIGNS.
HMM.
SO THEY COME IN, GOLDSTONE WRITES
THE EMAIL, THAT'S THE MUSIC PUBLICIST GUY WHO SETS UP THE
EMAIL IN THE FIRST PLACE, WRITES AN EMAIL THAT SO CLEARLY SAYS
THIS IS SOMEONE CONNECTED TO THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AND THEY HAVE
INFORMATION THAT COULD HELP YOUR FATHER.
DO YOU WANT TO MEET?
HE
SENDS IT TO PERHAPS THE DUMBEST PERSON IN THE TRUMP FAMILY,
DONALD TRUMP, JR. -- AND THAT IS A HEAVY TITLE TO HOLD -- AND
DONALD TRUMP, JR.
FALLS RIGHT INTO IT AND GOES, I LOVE IT. AND
THEN LATER GOLDSTONE AGAIN SAYS, NOW YOU KNOW THIS MEETING IS
HAPPENING WITH THESE PEOPLE, RIGHT?
AND HE GOES, RIGHT, I
WILL SEE YOU AT 4 O'CLOCK.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE RUSSIANS
SAID TO GOLDSTONE, HEY, MAKE THIS MEETING HAPPEN, THEN WE PUT
IT IN OUR BACK POCKET IN CASE WE NEED IT.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BLACK MALE.
THIS GUY WAS APPARENTLY LINKED WITH THE ATTEMPT TO FLIP DANA
ROHRBACHER AS WELL.
I LOVE THE REPUBLICANS USE THAT AS AN EXCUSE.
HE MET WITH
OTHER LEGISLATORS TOO, LIKE DANA ROHRBACHER.
WHO HAS BEEN CONNECTED TO RUSSIANS FOR YEARS.
SO THE
RUSSIANS MIGHT'VE THOUGHT WHATEVER INFORMATION WE HAVE, WE
WILL USE HOW WE WANT, WE WON'T JUST HAND IT OVER, AND I DON'T
KNOW THAT THEY TRIED IT WITH THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN, MAYBE THEY
TRIED IT WITH BOTH CAMPAIGNS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE BLACK MALE ON
THEM.
AND WHO RELEASED IT NOW?
THESE EMAILS?
I DON'T KNOW, SO
THAT'S ANOTHER INTERESTING QUESTION AS TO WHY NOW.
REMEMBER, PUTIN AND TRUMP JUST HAD A MEETING.
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