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we live in times when faith and spirituality have become very
inflammable don't put them in the same basket okay let's talk about faith first
we live in times when faith for certain has become a very inflammable easily
politicized conversation if faith should have been personal today it's not today
you actually have decisions taken in the name of somebody's faith being injured
so you mentioned food right now I read somewhere that you said there's nothing
religious about the act of food just eat what you like no no for you I said eat
what's good okay it was good feel very different things okay I can eat what's
good for you but today we have a highly politicized conversation around banning
beef in the name of faith it's definitely not good for you to eat it
beef or any meat I'll come to that I don't like this okay so I'm offering
that as one example of how I see a politicized conversation taking place
around faith how do you reconcile the faith of a large number of people with
questions of individual liberty I know I have read that you like books written by
Salman Rushdie we were the first country to ban him again in the name of faith
how do we reconcile faith with individual liberty say yeah it's always
been said faith moves mountains yes but it freezes your mind but the greatest
crime you can do on this planet is to move a mountain you should not more
mountain it should be where it is it is not just dropped from somewhere it's
grown because of various forces functioning in a particular way
phenomenal activity has happened to build a mountain you should never move a
mountain but people with frozen Minds always want to move a mountain having
said that when we say faith it's an import for this culture we have never
had faith in this culture you must look back little beyond thousand years since
we've been under occupation here we have been told always your life is your
karma means action whose action your action so what we are saying is your
life is entirely your making there is no someone sitting up there and managing
this for you this is entirely yours but for every action that you perform
whether physical mental emotional energy wise whatever kind of action you perform
there is bound to be a consequence if you ready for the consequence do
whatever if you going to cry about the consequence control the action right now
based on this now you came to food see the food consumption has been looked at
very carefully in this country if you just bring this back the world will be
healthy you understand here we have identified different type of people what
they should eat if you are doing menial jobs how you should eat if you are doing
trading how you should eat if you are in the spiritual process how you should eat
if you're into education how you should eat why this is ease each person needs a
different type of building of the body you want to run hundred meters next to
missile bolt what kind of food you should eat you just want to work in
Delhi what kind of food you should eat you want to think in a certain way what
kind of food you should eat for all these we have very clear prescriptions
now when it comes to food what it means is we are taking another life
whatever that is it may be plant life animal life whatever you taking another
life ingesting it and you have to make it your life that's the whole thing what
is your life what is that life if you look at it all life and this planet is
coming from the earth this body is also the same soil this is also same soil if
there is a earthworm that is also same soil but see how it has become how this
has become how that is become if I give you you like a mango or a banana I know
you're ruling the state right now if you eat a man a mango this mango
becomes a woman in you if I ate a mango the same mango becomes a man in me if a
cow eats a mango the same mango becomes a cow in the car why is this happening
there is a certain information or software in you whatever you eat it
transforms it into your woman if I eat it transforms it a man if a cow eats
that becomes a cow so every life is happening the way it is happening
because of a certain dimension of information or in modern terminology
let's call it software there is a certain software which is an arrangement
of information now the idea is to eat as simple a software as possible if you eat
that kind of life which is a very simple software your ability to override that
software and make it entirely a part of you is very good as that software gets
complex more and more complex your ability to integrate it goes down so
especially if it's a creature which has some sense of thought and emotion if it
has emotion then you should not eat it this is the understanding an animal
which has any emotion displays certain emotions especially if it displays
emotion which is near to human emotion you should not eat it because it will
not integrate itself that animal nature will start manifesting itself or in
other words in India today maybe in cities people do not know you see in the
villages people have very intimate relationship with a cow they have drunk
the milk of that cow their children are drinking the milk of that cow this is a
very deep relationship if you do not know this cow is one creature if
something happens to you and you are in some kind of grief or misery you don't
have to be near the car wherever the cow is in your house you to stir it will
start shedding tears for you you know I have seen this with my eyes I couldn't
believe when somebody is dead in the house he what does the cow know it is
somewhere simply tears flowing so when it has such deep emotions
if you kill it it's like killing a human being it's murder or it's cannibalism so
because of that this is not a faith thing this is not a religious thing we
thought this is a fundamental sense why is when we are hungry why can't I cut
you up and eat you what's wrong what's wrong but what you're saying should be
about many more animals than just that yes yes of course
you when it becomes about only the cow then there is a there is certainly a
perception it is not it is a political decision or a religious decision no no
I'm not talking about the whatever the law is not about people getting up and
saying it's cruel to be it to be a meat-eater that that would be a
different argument and not even talking about cruelty even cutting a plant is
cruel in my experience but you have to do it but if you're conscious of it you
will do it to the minimum possible extent and not do it wantonly that's the
whole thing now about this political ban about cow
slaughter or whatever this has many things one thing is there is a
sensitivity once you drink milk from the cow she's like your mother killing your
mother and eating her up is something people cannot digest in this country
still 80% of the people belong to that category and they're there hugely
there's a huge emotion such an emotion which because they've always been made
to be do silent a certain way they are not violently will act reacted to it but
in some places it has happened in villages and other places there is
already a beef ban in many villages just by a norm not by any law that you don't
bring this kind of thing things into the village I am NOT saying you must ban it
or not ban it I am saying the sensitivities of your population you
without considering you can't go do this blatant thing because it is growing it's
becoming a growing business India is becoming a major exporter of beef that's
not right even if somebody ate something it is up to them it's their personal
taste whatever but now you are promoting it and you're making it grow there is
serious concern but our people don't express it our people don't go out on
the street and not going to kill anybody because they killed a cow so man is not
what is needed more education was needed rather than banning but you haven't
spoken to what happens when faith faith repeatedly seems to come into conflict
with individual liberty but the banning of books there were people killed in
Paris because they were seen to have mocked and you know it of the Prophet
Muhammad and so on so where is this end where do we stop violence and politics
in the name if you religion if you wanted to stop you must understand this
you're saying today today it's not today in the last 2,000 years this is the
history of the world continuously it's happening all over the world suicide
bombers are a new phenomenon well you forgotten about the Crusades and other
things which have not been reported in history hundreds of millions of people
have been killed in the name of God all right it's new to us here but even here
thousands hundreds and thousands have been slaughtered in northern part of
India just because the faith that they belong to and the invasions happened
nobody writes about it because we never took the pen and wrote somebody wrote
history for us the way they like it because all history is sponsored by
kings they wrote the history the way they want and they said they're great
emperors but what they did was absolutely terrible so you need to
understand faith is a new thing to us when I say new in this country which has
twelve fifteen thousand years of history behind us thousand years is new for us
we've still not come to terms with it we're still struggling with it but
struggling within ourselves not creating a struggle on the street because that's
not our nature because here always we've been drilled into us whatever you do
there will be a consequence for you even if you come back another life another
life it won't leave usually come back to you this has been told this controls
people is it this is a tremendous technology please understand this and
it's not simply a fake thing it is a real thing everything that you think
feel act there is a consequence not because there is somebody thinking he
must give gift give you a reward or a punishment it
happens in your own chemistry how do we keep faith which you say is new to us
separate from politics you have you have in the past for example I remember when
Anna Hazare was launching his anti-corruption movement you did come
and and applaud it but you said that the Lokpal was not some magic wand I
remember you saying that do you believe that we are seeing a dangerous cocktail
of faith in politics getting more and more mixture you see yeah it is
happening I'm not saying no but it's much less than ever before really yes it
seems to be much more than you know that's because of you that's because
that's because if if 10 people get beheaded in some remote part of Iraq you
make sure the blood spills into my sitting room because of that otherwise
you are sitting here now today let's say thousand years ago we were sitting here
thousand people got killed in Iraq we will sit here peacefully thinking world
is going really great springtime everything is nice so this is because
the dissemination of information if ten people get killed somewhere it's a huge
thing because it comes into our sitting rooms bedrooms dining room everywhere is
a television so it pours into our homes so it is happening so this is good
because even a small thing looks magnified now in people's experience but
this has been happening always it's happening at its lowest level now here
and there it puts up which need to be controlled for sure but what I see is
for the first time for the very first time in the history of humanity even if
you and the numbers are not qualified because the population is increased even
in terms of percentages of people how many people can think for themselves
today is huge compared to what it was a hundred years ago or five hundred years
ago a thousand years ago or ten thousand years ago all these centuries
there would be one man in the village who thinks for you who reads for you who
writes for you you just have to do what you have to do simple things today
everybody is able to think for himself or herself now human intellect is
blossoming I do not say it is blossoming in the right direction with the right
sense no insanely it is blossoming it doesn't matter insanity will happen
for some time people will come to their senses when something is new they'll go
crazy after some time they'll come to senses once human intellect blossoms
sufficiently on the planet then this looking upward for wellbeing will not
make sense believe me right now from looking upward slowly the world is
tilting for in pursuit of human well-being people who are looking
heavenward still many are that's different but a whole lot of people have
started looking outward so if you look heavenward hallucinations will happen
Wars will happen because my heaven and you are having different you know none
of the heavens have anything for women you better know that I I'm I'm
definitely going to hell okay so you believe in heaven and hell I was being
facetious I was being facetious I was being facetious I don't know if there is
something up there that is is it a flower energy is that this this thing
about looking heavenward is slowly going away and in pursuit of well-being people
are looking outward this is ripping the planet apart human pursuit of well-being
is just destroying the planet now the fundamentals of what we are transmitting
the fundamentals of this culture which is essentially rooted in the yogic
culture what you call as Indian culture or Indu culture is essentially a pure
yogic science in the form of culture it finds many colors and distortions which
is what you are seeing is a Hindu culture or Indian culture whatever you
want to call it but they're not interchangeable terms what because we're
a multi-religious country with me I want you to understand the word Hindu
does not signify a religion you asked them do they worship one God if they're
Hindus in the same family they were singing 25 God's they don't they don't
know which is the core so making sure worship everything just in case
something will hit okay now the word Hindu means the land between Himalayas
and Hindu saagara this land this subcontinent is Hindu all people who are
born here a considered Hindu because he's a geographical identity I know this
whole political issue if I speak like this they say oh he's Hindu no I mean
people will tell you you are echoing the RSS trees I don't know what he said I am
NOT he said all Indians are Hindus and there was a huge okay all the Indians
live between Himalayas and Indian Ocean that's what those who want to jump into
the ocean if you live see this is a dialectical culture it expresses things
in a certain way between Himalayas and Indian Ocean if you live you are a Hindu
if you jump into the ocean and cross you're a Lanka
so I don't know what is the struggle about this this is because there is such
a narrow understanding of this this is the debate we have to change in the
country because somebody has absolute belief systems we are trying to compare
that to a culture where there is no such thing as belief we have not ever been
believers we've always been seekers this is a land
where the highest value has never been God always liberation Mukti freedom is
the highest goal God has never been our highest goal so you you put this in the
same box as something which just believes this is it or you're dead
unfortunate that's not the way to look at it this is what we have to bring back
if we really value human freedom you must bring back this seeking for
liberation I want to be free not just from others but from myself and my god
and my heaven and everything because God has never been the goal in this culture
God is just another tool when I have used the word tool for a god people get
very hurt this had guru don't say that it hurts us
so that's okay you come to the ashram I'll give you some plumbing job all
right no no no spanner no winch nothing use your fingers nails teeth whatever
three days later fingernails will be gone half the teeth
will be gone then I will give you a spanner will you worship the spanner or
no we are who we are as human beings we are who we are only because of our
ability to use a tool otherwise you have not even good as a dog you can't even
fight a dog isn't it so you're against organized religion quite clearly if God
is just a fool and they are not the same I'm not
I'm against this or that all I am saying is I want human beings to come to this
much if you know something you know it if you don't know something you don't
know it everything that you do not know you believe this a dangerous thing now
the fight on the planet is not between good and he will listen that no one
man's belief versus another man's belief I am saying why the hell do you believe
anything because you are essentially not straight enough to admit I really don't
know I don't know people can't fight I don't know you don't know can we fight I
know is a fight I do not know is never a fight I do not know is a way of seeking
if we do not establish this seeking in every human being that every human being
is longing to know whether outside or inside whatever you are because there's
a nature of human intelligence it can't sit quiet it can only sit quiet if you
freeze it with belief system if you seal it with belief system it can sit quiet
otherwise the very nature of this intelligence is it wants to know okay
we're almost at the end so I think I'm going to take a few questions just to
three minutes of questions seeing lots of hands go up the lady behind us please
one of your videos you say that the problem with the world is that most
people lack the intensity most people lack the necessary intensity and then
you see the ways they honor so intensity is more associated to
fierceness and personality and Donna is more associated to calmness so they are
somehow can't counterintuitive can you elaborate a little bit people think
peace means rest in peace
because their idea of peace is dead peace can be very intense peace can be
tremendously intense because peace means the reverberations of life have become
subtle in face and intense action means reverberations of life are not so subtle
it is at a certain level so peace happens not because peace may happen if
somebody is dead but to be alive and peaceful means you need to be highly
intense state of energy otherwise you can't be peaceful the reason why most
people who don't have any problems as such you know after all they're trying
to earn a living reproduce and bring up their children
and die one day just for that they're freaking simply because of a lack of
intensity because life is happening at a low ebb naturally everything is a
problem if it rises a little bit suddenly you have a little clearer view
of everything for this you need a higher intensity of energy within you and the
yogic system is essentially focused towards that diana does not mean no
let's take the next question here right here in the front row yeah what I get
from Isha's philosophy if I may say there is is that you need to see
internally in your impurity you need to fix it internally before fixing your
external situations but is it also not right is it also not very important to
do the right thing externally you know just to make myself more clear you know
if I be more clear I guess I do I look so down let's say you know have I got it
yeah if somebody is boy I got the question
easiest philosophy is not about looking internally or externally it is just that
if you are looking for mangoes you look up the tree you don't dig the earth all
right but if you're looking how to plant the mango tree then you take the earth
you're looking for mangoes if you dig the will you find it I am asking so if
you inner things you must look inward out of things you must look outward
there is no such philosophy look out or look in wherever the damn thing is look
they're like you know Shankaran Pillai went for a job interview and they asked
him which is further Mumbai or moon he thought profoundly and then said Mumbai
they said how do you say this he said I can see the moon I can't see Mumbai okay
last question yeah hold the mic close and I just want to ask you that
everybody's perception of good and bad is different and what do you think if we
start manifesting our own good and bad what will be the state of the society
maybe you won't have power tonight I think I already made this clear the
biggest problem in the world is there too many good people not enough sensible
people yeah sense is life specific okay goodness need not be life oriented
goodness maybe going to heaven and the moment I want you to understand this
dangerous concept people don't address this the moment you believe suppose I
believe there is heaven and it's a beautiful place and you can live in the
company of gods should I send you there today or no if I really care for you I'm
saying yes if I really care for you and if I believe there's a great place
should I send you there or not this is a dangerous thing
understand if you stretch it to its logical end it's a really dangerous
thing the moment I believe there is a fantastic place up there I really love
you and I want you to go there you know yes okay let me just end by asking you
something that we haven't spoken about and then I'll hand it over to chickie
you said you love machines I didn't say I love them okay you like a sheen so
they you say work have our lives been overtaken by gadgets not mine no
definitely not I use all the gadgets but they don't overtake me these are
fantastic things in our life things see in every way compared to how a human
being was let's say hundred years ago you're almost superhuman 100 years ago
if I could just pick up something from my pocket and talk to somebody in
America right now I would be superhuman why superhuman if I said I'm God people
would have believed me hundred years ago 500 years ago if I just had a light bulb
I would have become God on this planet I want you to know look at the things we
have today we are really superhuman once this kind of capability has come to us
little more sense has to rise little more awareness and consciousness just
has to arise if this doesn't happen this capability will turn against us this is
what you're saying now gadgets are freaking people why it's a simple thing
you could you want to use it you can use it or you can keep it aside because
you're in a compulsive state if you start using a cell phone you can't stop
it even in your sleep you're texting since the boys he's in he's not with me
he's in looking at me in the screen now this is the same thing if food is good
if you start eating you don't know when to stop if you start drinking you don't
know when to stop if you start doing something you don't know when to stop
the same thing it is not about the gadget it is not about the food it is
just that there is not enough consciousness there is compulsiveness
everything is happening compulsively instead of addressing the
you're trying to kill the gadget get it is a fantastic thing every damn gadget
is enhanced our life in a huge way isn't it don't curse the gadgets it is just
that compulsiveness has to go well on that note I will say thank you for
provoking us as always a pleasure let's have a big round of applause
you
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