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Democrats are in full-blown denial over the Singapore summit they're refusing to
concede that President Trump actually did something kind of good any success
at all much less a potentially historic breakthrough with North Korea but the
United States has gained is vague and unverifiable at best what North Korea
has gained however is tangible and lasting we have legitimized a brutal
dictator who has starved his own people I have to be honest with you this is the
weakest statement I have ever seen come out of any engagement with North Korea
Bob it's called the beginning of the process of peace well just look at
Reagan and Gorbachev and I actually worked in the Reagan administration when
Gorbachev came for the first time I remember seeing the car pull up it was
unbelievable well they held four summits during Reagan's second term so let's get
some big-picture perspective with Reagan biographer Craig Shirley former Hillary
Clinton advisor Richard Goodstein and Republican congressman Sean Duffy of
Wisconsin great to have all of you on the panel Richard your take on this
there's a lot of concern on the part of Democrats I hope my theory is the
concern is they're worried that the guy who they said was going to blow up the
world is actually perhaps going to maybe save save save the Korean Peninsula so I
think every Democrat worth their salt gives the president credit for trying to
do something here the problem they have is not for trying it's for what he's
done he's basically got a nothing burger of a deal something that Korean leaders
have agreed to for decades and in exchange and and he's called Kim who
starves and murders and puts his people in labor camps and so forth he's called
him very talented and funny and trustworthy the problem is that hurts
the u.s. around the world when the president can't observe and call out
what somebody is that's the problem that Obama do that
with the Chinese we literally rolled out the red carpet
literally the Chinese president hundreds of thousands of people and re-education
camps in China you see what they do to this churches in China right you know
what they do to the women they wit rip babies out of their wombs right we had
them for a state dinner Richard we rolled out the red carpet for the
Chinese president I didn't hear Wall Street Goldman Sachs Democrats most
Democrats a few did but not most Democrats they didn't give a wish to
China well I don't know whether you were in the poetry field I was exactly but
that's I'm saying so so you know Republicans Helen whether it was Nixon
Ford etcetera Reagan they were trying to kind of deal with China as well so the
latest that Obama is a bit much right the problem is that we're suspending
their military exercises something that Kim and his father and his grandfather
all and the Russians and the Chinese were pleading to get done so I think the
hypocrisy coming from Democrats right now so Barack Obama goes to Cuba and has
a baseball game with Raul Castro a ruthless dictator Natalie that he sends
billions of dollars in pallets full of cash to the Iranian mullahs opens up
American banking system to them you can't get that money back were dirty
trash um and we but you can't and so the double standard your Donald Trump is you
mentioned this is the first of nine innings
this is the first foray into peace and by the way Democrats when Donald Trump
said hey listen fire and fury and my button is bigger than yours
they're like he's a war monger but all of a sudden he has a peace summit and
they're they're freaking out that he's weakened going to get the store away
we've had a lot of things I'm gonna get Craig surely into this Craig your Reagan
biographer extraordinaire anyone who wants to understand Reagan has to read
your books all of them Susan Glasser of The New Yorker today was on I believe
it's MSNBC if my memory serves me right and she was talking about the Reagan
comparison let's watch Reagan did exactly the opposite of what we're
talking about with Trump he was able to find a way to negotiate with the Soviets
to be extremely tough with the Soviets and also to preserve a line and in a
vision of human rights and democracy and what America is about
so Trump obviously is exactly wrong tell us why she's exactly wrong because
both Trump talked tough and then and then engaged the the enemy Ronald Reagan
talked tough about the Soviet then engaged the enemy is that they
understood is that you do have to deal it from a position of strength but that
doesn't mean you don't negotiator don't talk you know Reagan and Gorbachev had
four summits two of which were just basically photo ops that the the
substantive one was in Moscow when Reagan actually met with human rights
dissidents there gave an important speech at Moscow State University and
then of course in Washington where they signed an agreement to limit
intermediate-range nuclear missiles but sometimes you have to just talk in order
to reach an achievement reach an agreement well a lot of people Craig and
Sean and Richard were upset that the president didn't spend more time on
human rights let's watch what the president said to Sean Hannity about
this did humanitarian issues come up in the meeting yes it did and one of the
things I will tell you that I'm most happy about it and then as you know is a
big sticking point is bringing back the remains of thousands of soldiers that
were killed this came up last minute this wasn't this was sort of last minute
yeah yeah would it be possible because I get letters all the time from families
who lost a son who lost a brother lost a father in Korea that was a rough fight
the president said in a different interview talking about human rights
abuses in North Korea says well there's human rights abuses in other places
which is reminiscent of the way he said about Putin who was a thug oh other
people do bad things or frankly his equivocating on Charlottesville
why can't he call out there's a problem here I'm not saying it should supersede
nuclear is an existential issue no question about it
and if he can solve it kudos to me doesn't he deserves a Nobel Prize
although frankly what he did to the Western alliance to undo the you know
and do that frankly I think kind of will hurt his Nobel Prize application
human rights are important but first things first the nuclear threat to the
world is incredibly dean die if we if an American city was hit by a long-range
nuclear missile millions hundreds of thousands at least let's let's deal with
the first threat which is nuclear weapons let's go to the second issue
which is human rights but you can't you can't say that we've dealt with human
rights you can't do anywhere else with Obama and no one ever complained about
that so again I think let's take this thing off the table and deal with the
bigger issues Craig Craig you can't do everything at once although it's
tempting we all we all want to get it all done like we're like yesterday
yesterday when Trump's very impatient for change I say this all the time I
mean that in a good way he's extremely impatient but he also sees you got to
give someone a way out a graceful way out even if it's a horrible person
you've got to give them a way of like going back to his own people saying I
wasn't completely humiliated there I think I think that's what your reaction
close it out Laura don't you find it ironic that the left is Brady and Donald
Trump for showing good manners in Singapore if that's screaming the
hilarious to me is that you know when Reagan gave his speech the Berlin Wall
in 1987 it kind of fell with a thud none of the three networks led with it
the New York the Washington media did not report it
der Spiegel wrote a couple months afterwards there was a speech written by
amateurs it only became important in the context of history because three years
later the Berlin Wall did fall is that what Trump did today and what he's done
over the Singapore might not be historically important in the long run
but it depends on what happens now and then in the succeeding days weeks and
months ahead is that if if North Korea denuclearize is if if trade has opened
up if a new era of freedoms assured in there or something like that then people
will look at this and say this was historic the sweep of history will
reveal all all of you it's great to have you on spirited and great conversation
in just a moment mark Meadows Jim Jordan are joining me to break major news on
their effort to make the DOJ turn over documents to Congress and will bring you
the funniest yes funniest moments of the summit with Raymond Arroyo
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Lord God give us rain Oh a stunning report from Fox News Catherine Harridge
tonight documents showing that Deputy Attorney General rod Rosenstein
threatened to subpoena emails phone records and other documents belonging to
members of the House in telecommunications came to rosa Stein's
defense earlier tonight I'm confident that our deputy Rosenstein 28 years in
the Department of Justice did not improperly threaten anyone on that
occasion but we do believe that we have tried to be cooperative with them and
may progress in the in months as as the months of gone by and in fact I've had
some good relationships with top members of Congress with the war between the DOJ
and Congress heating up to lawmakers join us tonight to make a major
announcement exclusively on the angle here our Oversight Committee members
mark meadows and Jim Jordan Jim what do you think about what you heard from the
Attorney General you're almost flabbergasted I mean what
what does the Attorney General saying Rob roses son hasn't complied with Devin
noonas subpoena hasn't complied with chairman Goodlatte subpoena we've caught
them hiding information in the struct page text messages redacting the fact
that Peter struck was friends with judge contrast one of the FISA Court judges
they tried to hide that from us and today we learn in Catherine's report
that the head of the in essence the head of the Justice Department rod Rosenstein
was threatening members of the House Intelligence Committee for doing their
job for trying to get answers for the American people and the Attorney General
says that's okay we're doing just fine I don't I just I didn't know he had said
that when you just play that I'm like are you kidding me this is this reporter
Catherine is unbelievable when you have the head of the Justice part rod
Rosenstein saying he's going to go after the staff members emails and
communication after your but he wants your blackberry we're doing our
constitutional duty well what about scary yeah mark congressman meadows what
I think he's saying is that if you guys hold him in contempt he's gonna have to
defend himself and part of the defense will be he wants discovery he wants to
know who you've been talking to who you've been talking to he wants to know
your text messages you know you're gonna mean it maybe they
won't redact your documents like they did the pages struck tonight there's two
problems we got more one is is that we're a separate branch of government
they don't have the right to do that unless we were coming under some kind of
criminal investigation and for the Attorney General to say he's confident
that that rod Rosen sign did everything right well I'm confident he doesn't know
what he's talking about I'm here to tell you we're we're fed up with it we've
been working on a resolution we've got a resolution here tonight that we're
putting the finishing touches on we plan to file that tomorrow but they're really
what is it what's it's all about compelling DOJ to turn over documents so
that we can do proper oversight you know if they have nothing to hide turn over
the documents Jim's exactly right this is is just inexcusable
okay so what happens that is a resolution to compel the production of
documents haven't even already been what we've subpoenaed them already we're
putting together resolution we would frankly like to bring to the full house
and have the House vote on it's one thing for us to say it's one thing for
chairman and subpoena it's another thing if the House of Representatives would
actually go on record and say mr. Rosenstein we as the house a majority
the house say you're not giving us the information we we need and frankly now
that we have found out that you were threatening members of the committee
staff a standing committee and they thought the rivers a defense he's going
to defend himself against your threatened threatening to call him in
contempt this let me just say does he defend himself let's come on right in
tomorrow night let's let rod Rosen Stein come on with Jim and I will lay out the
facts he can lay out his talking I'm invited him on the show and you know why
he doesn't come on is they rather do private press releases to spin the
narrative at midnight and try to act like they were complying listen we've
had a document out since November 3rd of last year asking for documents we still
don't have what we have less than 60% of those documents is this draft that you
have is it gonna call for his removal what is this no just calls for them to
really reduce the document what if they give you ously well they've been doing
that all along so if they do it again then it's then you at least have at the
house spoken and say we want this information
and then apply with it what again then everything's still on the table the same
issues are still on the table contempt and those risk those those remedies are
still on the table but we were like look let's have the
house make a let's have the house take a vote and send the message that a
majority the house agrees with us that you should you should give us
information we as a separate equal branch of government are entitled to get
to get answers for them we're talking impeachment of the DA I mean obviously
that's still something we have in our toolbox but we will have a vote I'm here
to tell you tonight Laura I tailed your viewers we're going to have a vote on
the House floor one way or another we're going to have a vote and we're going to
make sure that we get those dr. rod Rosenstein last month called this
extortion basically he will not give in to these demands how about extortion
when you're threatening members of a standing committee the House of
Representatives for doing their job we know these individuals I know who these
guys are they worked their tail there's the guys who helped put together that in
that that memo which talked about what went on at the FISA Court in fact they
didn't tell the FISA Court who paid for the dossier they didn't tell the FISA
Court that Christopher steel had been fired by the FBI for leaking information
these are the guys who put that together and they're being threatened by rod
Rosenstein this is as wrong as it gets what is your general thought on the
constitutionality of this whole investigation I mean we've talked about
this generally before there are a lot of scholars who believe in Dershowitz in a
bunch of us have been you know talking about this for months that this entire
Special Counsel seems like an unconstitutional undertaking there's no
real oversight they essentially have a limitless budget even though Congress
appropriate it seems like they have a little more they do have a limit list
and the president really can't remove him supposedly because it's bad for
politics so is there really any executive branch oversight if wrought
Rosenstein himself as conflicted as he he's a witness well he should recuse
himself I can tell you just based on some of the facts we've seen he should
recuse himself but that aside in this country you investigate crimes you don't
go in and start to investigate and see what you can find and hope to come up
with a crime you know after you've investigated and that's not the way this
special counsel is doing it and I think it's wrong didn't didn't you say was
gonna make the documents available to the so-called gang of eight that's
supposed to happen tomorrow but we'll see every time they say they're going to
do something they wind up not doing it apart
we do know that press release said they were going to do that today today and
now it's gonna happen Thursday what is Gary and rience and are they supporting
in McCarthy where it where the leadership yeah we we had discussions
with the speaker and Gowdy where our that fact this in them well I think they
wanted more time but but the facts are on our side is is how long is long
enough and I'm saying today is long enough justice delayed is justice denied
Morrell said well thanks for coming on today thank you thank you hey guys at
least the DOJ is doing something encouraging well we're gonna tell you
the new rules that are gonna stop illegal immigrants from gaming the
asylum system it's about time that's next escaping persecution not just
gaming our system sessions announced the new DOJ policy that requires immigrants
seeking asylum to prove that they are not just fleeing crime or gang violence
let's debate this crucial change to our immigration policy with Alan or and
immigration attorney and former immigration judge art Arthur of the
Center for Immigration Studies all right let's go to Alan first Alan I know there
are a lot of people are waving their arms like oh my gosh this is the
persecuted people are not going to get any relief now they're they're gonna be
shut out of our system but I think what he's referencing is an eight hundred and
seventy two percent increase in applications for asylum since 2009 in
the United States that is a massive increase with not a you know I think a
correlating fact pattern that would indicate that we have that many more
thousands of people who have legitimate claims right but but I don't think that
really the number should affect due process injustice right so that's not
how we handle due process and justice by numbers it's a process and so what
sessions has done goes with the narrative you just said before about
making wrong decisions because he's basically undid 20 years of precedent
law of other judges within the immigration system and I'm happy to be
here with our today because he's one of the outliers is basically says this is a
good decision whereas there 16 others that say this is the wrong decision for
the reasons you've been Omer ated in that each case is a case-by-case
judgment and so what doesn't do is sort of clear the backlog
what it doesn't send a message to the current officers at the port of entry to
say please start denying these claims for persecution but what it doesn't
immediately do is give us a remedy to the numbers that you discussed now all
right in 2005 Congress made it clear that in order to be granted asylum the
persecution that you allege has to be at least one central reason for the harm
that you fear and that's a huge change and quite frankly it's taken 13 years
for the Department of Justice to actually apply that to these crime based
okay it has to be one central reason at least one central reason for the harm
that you fear has to be okay wanted the five characteristics for asylum race
religion nationality membership in a particular social group or political
opinion in this particular instance its membership in a particular social group
and that that particular social group in the Attorney General's decision was
people who are fearing crime on their home country that's not what you
traditionally think of I mean you know and that's the ear the expert here I'm
not but I think of persecution you know having a horrible husband who's beating
you up or a wife who's bidding that doesn't seem like person that seems like
regular old garden-variety crime persecution is generally harm that's
inflicted on you by the government for your identity your re or your beliefs it
or your belief system but unfortunately the membership at a particular social
group is completely amorphous and there have been many years of law and that law
was actually applied properly by Jeff Sessions to individuals who would fear
crime in their home countries quite frankly they don't have an asylum fear
they have a crime fear and their home country needs to address thanks Alan
another thing you actually heard of Alan just one question the other thing I
hadn't heard of before is the defensive use of a fight asylum claims I talked
about this this morning on the radio that when people are about to be
deported sometimes well oftentimes they then say oh wait a second I have an
asylum claim and so it's now defensively used against the government in those
situations which is also we know numbers don't matter but it's it's kind of some
kind of empirical proof that so someone's getting information from from
very smart lawyer to make this kind of claim when you're already a deportable
alien under US immigration law well really that's part of the problem a lot
of the people are robbed without having a lawyer so therefore they're they might
have heard things from people you know across the way but many of them are
robbed without a lawyer and sort of handling these cases on their own and
really talking about their experience and if you're a battered female or
battered woman or battered mother with your kids and you're having this intense
legal conversation with the CBP officer to discuss what your level of fear is
you can see the problem that they're mostly going to discuss about how many
times they were beaten how many times they were struck how many times they've
been harmed and so it isn't and that's why it's a case-by-case analysis and
what sessions has basically done is he's removed a whole sort of case-by-case
analysis and said look I don't think anyone who's coming here if it's a
private actor then this isn't persecution and that's not what the case
law says today because really what what we say is it's the inaction right it's
the government's who are not stepping in to protect their citizens the
government's who are allowing this to happen this is a lot that also
participate in the system yeah that's a lot of people around the world I mean I
was actually we're talking about the number of cases we have it's about 2
percent of the total population point two percent of the total population and
I disagree with that when you're talking about this the Attorney General is not
completely closing the door to these claims but what he's saying is that
these claims need to be assessed the way that every other particular social how
do you ever assess it when someone comes from Guatemala says my my brother beat
me up for my husband how do you you go to like their local sheriff and
Guatemala I mean I've been to Guatemala many times you can't get the records all
that easily there well you can relied upon the statements of the alien in
order to establish the claim all right gentlemen thank you so much and
information we know about countries yeah we'll have you back love both of you
and by the way they were making history in Singapore yesterday as we were
talking about earlier finding some well hilarious moments of comic relief yes
stay right there and we'll share them in just a moment Raymond Arroyo
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