Hi. My name is George Chanos. I formerly served as Nevada's Attorney General.
According to the Washington Post, over 187,000 students at 193 schools have
experienced a school shooting since the Columbine Massacre. Since 1999 there have
been 10 school shootings each year, on average, in the US, and shootings have
occurred across 36 States. The shootings have caused 375 deaths or injuries.
On May 18, 2018, 10 more people were killed and another 13 were injured by a 17-year
old wielding his father's shotgun and a 0.38 caliber. Santa Fe, Texas. Palmdale,
California. Ocala, Flordia. Lexington Park, Maryland. Parkland, Florida. Nashville,
Tennessee. All high school shootings, all happening this year, all teenage shooters.
Why? I'm joined by two high school students who are here to help us
understand and explore these issues. -- Also with me is Mateo
Tomas Portelli, a sophomore. Mateo is the 2018 Nevada State Congressional Debate
Champion as well as a member of the 2018 Nevada State Mock Trial Championship
Team. Ultimately, for you to have impact, you have to be able to express your
views to people that are in a position to do something about it.
Fortunately, we have someone here today, a special guest, who is such a person. He
currently serves as the Chairman of the County Commission for Clark County and
and is a candidate for governor of the State of Nevada. Join me in welcoming
Steve Sisolak. Hello George, how are you? Hi Steve, always a pleasure. Great
to see you. Mateo and Kaitlyn. Real pleasure to meet you; how do you do?
Mateo is there something that you'd like to ask Commissioner Sisolak?
Commissioner I'm curious asked to the previous and hopefully future attempts
within the Clark County in the State of Nevada
to attempt to mitigate any wanting mental health crises affecting the youth
of our state. Well ,you're absolutely right I'm here and I appreciate that.
This is more than just a gun problem. A gun problem is part of it but there's
clearly mental health issues in all of these cases. These are all people that
are very, very angry individuals, bitter individuals for one reason or another -- I
don't think we've gotten to the bottom of exactly what's been at the the root
of these but -- what happened from Mandalay Bay and what happened in Parkland what
happened in Santa Fe, it does not come from people that have a logical clean
mind and we've got to do something to get to the root of what really is the
cause here and I think we need to employ more experts, we need to invest more
money in mental health, and we need to take this issue more seriously than
it's being taken. -- There was an interesting article in The New York
Times today. The New York Times came out with the position that the problem here
is simply too many guns. There are roughly 300 million guns in the United
States. That's a lot of guns -- probably is too many guns. But is that in fact the
only issue or is this a multi-dimensional issue that includes
guns but also includes issues like mental illness or teenage suicide?
What are your thoughts on that issue? One of the things that I find is that when you,
when we talk about this issue and we're trying to get- to make progress with
different groups, one group might think this is all about guns as evidenced by
the New York Times, another group might think no this has nothing to do with
guns this is all about mental illness. Is it one or the other, or is it a
combination of both? Mateo? Well before coming here today- I
work with the Clark County Law Foundation's Trial by Peers Program --
I'm a Youth attorney here in Las Vegas -- and I was prosecuting some cases of
delinquents acting in contrary to the law. We had a few cases of drug
paraphernalia and drug possession and I was prosecuting.
But in my history of working with that program we never blame, y'know, the
smoking pipe for the child's actions. We never blame the marijuana
itself for the crime. At the root of the issue, it's a human element. And obviously
no one's saying that, "It's not the fault of the smoking pipe being present," but I
would agree with you, Mr. Chanos, that it's not just the item, it's not just the
tool, and it's not just the person: this is multifaceted. -- So let's talk about
mental health for a minute. One out of four people your age have indicated that
they have seriously contemplated suicide. Suicide rates have doubled among people
your age in the last decade. Why? What's going on? -- Mateo? I would say that it
wasn't until after Columbine that our country really started to look at the
mental health of our youth. If you look at the journals of the actors of
Columbine you'll see that they had a deep internal hatred for the world. They-
They hated being and they hated humanity itself so, their solution was to
try to take out as many of their peers as possible. So that's clearly evident of
the fact that there was something wrong with them in the mind and unfortunately
I would say that chalking up kids who may seem depressed or who may seem sad
as just being sad or just being stressed doesn't solve the issue. Ignoring our
peers who may be crying out for help on social media and ignoring the bullying
that may occur or spreading these rumors, that doesn't fix a solution. -- What are
you seen in the schools in terms of bullying? I'll say that at least in my
school I don't see a whole lot of physical picking on, y'know, I don't see
kids being pushed into lockers, I don't see not so much verbal harassment, but I
will say that there's certainly a lot of gossip and I think that bullying has
evolved over the years especially with the introduction of more Facebook more
Instagram or social media in general that allows students to, in effect, cyber
bully and promote gossip and promote drama that may have no founding at all
that directly affects the reputations and thus the well-being of these
students. -- What can we do about that what can you do as a student in speaking to
other students? What can parents do that are concerned
and want to help? What can government do? What can any of us do on this issue of
bullying that that we're seeing? -- Mateo? I'll say that the Commissioner noted
something that had caught my interest that a majority of- or a large fraction
of individuals who may be incarcerated in our detention centers are in fact
victims more-so to mental health than anything. Similarly I am of the opinion
that zero-tolerance tolerance policies can be quite damaging. Y'know, these are
these are students who are still maturing, and Kaitlyn was absolutely
right when she said that we need to look at this as a real issue that does not
have a simple solution. So I think as soon as we can come together, and
especially in the legislature of our government, begin to have a real
conversation about solutions and about the issues affecting our kids and
perhaps taking better steps whether it be counseling whether it be access to
mental health opportunities or just cutting down zero-tolerance policies, we
need to start taking solutions here and start taking steps to
solutions that will benefit our peers. -- And I'd like to really get your
opinion, if you think that would help, to have a more don't open dialogue
in the school in the classroom and say, "Look, what's going on?," y'know, "What can
we do? Can we talk about this?" Y'know, "This is what's happening," and maybe raise
some people's awareness. Do you think that would have any effect?
Absolutely. Absolutely. It seems to be taboo, almost, in classrooms to talk about
bullying, it seems to be taboo to talk either to your parents or to your
your guidance counselor. As it stands, the status quo, it's seen as against the
norm to ask for help. That's not okay, and there needs to be a fundamental change
in the way that we think about mental health or just general bullying. There
needs to be a change in the system and in ourselves to begin to look to help
other people, -- In a society where it becomes increasingly difficult to have a
meaningful life, and where notoriety is prized, does that contribute to some of
these people who maybe want to be famous? For example, Anderson Cooper on CNN won't
mention the name of a shooter because the fear is that some of these people
are acting out to become notorious, to have their life mean something,
feeling that their life otherwise wouldn't mean anything,
or there's a phenomenon called suicide-by cop with increasing suicide
rates, people who are trying to commit suicide don't want to commit suicide
themselves, so they do something dastardly, they become famous and then
they have the cops take them out. Do you think that any of this is playing into
what we're seeing? I read an article recently by Katherine Newman in which
she outlined a research project that she completed. She
identified that the people who commit these sorts of crimes are not "loners."
They're not people who are isolated. They're not people who are quiet beyond
all reproach. They're people who (are) trying to make friends, who try to get into social
cliques and fail constantly. These are people who want to be recognized
who want, like I said, recognition but they don't achieve it. So what's the
solution? If the world seems to hate you, if no one seems to care about you one
iota then the best solution that you can have is try to take as many people out
with you and then, kill yourself, or like you said get killed by the cops, because
what better notoriety can you achieve than being stuck on a seven-day news
cycle on CNN or Fox? Do you think there are warning signals ahead of time that
we could catch, that a teacher a counselor or a parent should be able to
catch on to and and get the hint that hey look maybe something's gone wrong
here maybe we need to seek more? Or do you think just hidden from all there --
Interestingly with the recent shooting I read something that there were very
little explicit warning signs, like you noted. So at worst on his Facebook
account he maybe had a t-shirt that was of questionable nature, he had a hammer
and sickle star and a Nazi Iron Cross. They're questionable, certainly, but in all
cases are not going there's not going to be a red flag that we can identify, and
that's specifically because we're working with juveniles, we're working
with humans that are infinitely complex. So, Kaitlyn noted that the FBI received
you know certain tips and warnings of the shooting: that's not a failure of the
law, that's a failure of enforcement and that's a failure at the federal level,
and even at the state level there are issues to be had. So we also have to look
at how we enforce our laws not just what
laws we pass. What can we do better that we're not doing at the state level at
the federal level? What can we do better? I mean guns is part of the problem I
think we'll all agree, but it's not the entire problem. What can we do better as elected
officials? I think pursuing conversation with youth
and trying to rebuild a connection between the citizens and the State is
necessary, because the- what's the fundamental unit of the American life?
The family, and then on top of that you have the community -- whether religious or
not sometimes. it's a church -- and then on top of that you have the city, the county,
you have the state: there are many levels of organization that we have in our
society. But, there's immense political apathy, I'll tell you, no one cares- or at
least the majority of my peers don't care about politics. And certainly, I'm
not saying they have to but to to not care about the laws and the politics of
your country shows that there's been a failure both on par of the government
and on par of our own family and communal structures. So I think we need
to begin to rebuild a connection between the government and the people so that
there's trust in the mechanisms that we try to use to protect our youth. -- Are
your friends and your peer groups frustrated as I am with the lack of
progress on guns, on mental health, on those issues that we seem to be talking
about these issues over and over again and not a lot seems to be getting
accomplished, and mental health is not getting funded, it's not being taken as a
real health problems it's just like, "Okay suck it up, toughen up a little bit," and that's
not the case. I mean PTSD is real, mental health issues are real, and are they
frustrated that there's not been progress? -- There's a real problem in our
society when you say there was another shooting and your friend responds, "Oh
great, another one." That's an issue, and I see great offense to that, and I mean I'm
certain that my peers also are frustrated with this .So the fact that
nothing's being done... it has to change and there has to be a
relationship between the people of the state and of the country and the
government because, we shouldn't just abdicate all responsibility to the state.
It's irresponsible to say, "It's the lawmakers' job." It's also our job, it's
those also our generation's job to work together across generations,
across aisles, and across levels of our government to work together to come this
to come to a solution. -- This shouldn't be political this
shouldn't be based on gender or race or political affiliation: this is a human
crisis that we're dealing with right now and we owe you better. I mean, I know
Kaitlin's a little more left-leaning, I'm a bit more right-leaning, but we both
want a solution to this and it's a problem when we have elected officials
that are controlled by special interests or controlled solely by their party. It
is an issue when people put party and flag above their constituents. So I think
we need to start working to that. -- Maybe part of the solution, in instead of us
telling that millennial and young people, that we know more than they do,
y'know, maybe we should be listening to them more and and one solution might be,
y'know, were you to become governor, to put a task force together on school
shootings and involve people like Kaitlin and Mateo in that task force. I think that would be an
incredible idea 'cause I think you've got so much to offer. I mean, your ideas are refreshing.
I mean they're very well thought-out and I commend you both for that. -- I'm really
impressed with your knowledge of the issues and your willingness to talk, and
it gives me hope for that when I see this amount of talent and energy and
thoughtfulness coming up because it's definitely gonna be impactful, and again
I feel that we've led a generation down and we haven't addressed this as well as
we should have but hopefully you'll do better moving forward and fix some of the
mess that we as adults have made along the way.
I want to thank all of my guests
Mateo, Kaitlyn, and Commissioner Sisolak for joining me. This has been a wonderful
opportunity to hear from tomorrow's leaders and today's leaders about an
issue that affects all of our lives, about a life-and-death issue that
affects our children, our friends, and our family members, and enough is enough.
How many people need to die? It's beyond comprehension that we're
allowing this to continue in our country. We need to come together, we need to
bring this gap, we need to talk to one another
we need to realize that none of us have all the answers and that the answers
exist on both sides of the aisle, and both sides of the aisle need to be
talking to one another. So thank you for joining us.
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