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Nilo, 40 years ago, suffered a serious car accident.
Before the car hits the pole,
he found himself above the whole situation,
Fifty meters above.
He did not feel any pain, did not feel any shock
and was able, from above, to see everything, everything that happened below.
he saw the car crumpled, saw other cars diverting from his car ...
he saw people approaching ...
Let's know his story?
- Good morning, Nilo. - Good Morning.
- How are you? - I'm fine.
Thank you so much for being here with us ...
I would like you to please introduce yourself, tell us what you do for a living
and, then, tell us about your near-death experience.
I am Nilo, Nilo Techmann Cabral,
I am a businessman in the textile industry,
but I do too...
I work a lot with creation ...
in this case ... of the garment industry.
We produce women's clothing ...
so ... all my life I dealt with creation.
but I remember that my whole life I always ...
in my life since childhood
I created several things from toys... I had several projects,
including outside the textile branch ...
well ...
my life went that way ...
and I entered the world of clothing.
So ... I deal with creation every day,
I make clothes every day.
but at times I create other things,
but that's basically it.
And how did the near-death experience happen?
My near-death experience ...
happened many years ago ...
I'm 60 years old ...
It happened when I was between 16 and 17 years old ...
I remember that because when this accident happened ...
we did not have a driver's license
and although I was with my cousin driving he also had no driver's license ...
so, it happened at this time.
We were at a party ... in the south part of São Paulo,
and at a certain moment we decided to go home.
My cousin was driving the car and there was another person in the passenger seat.
I was lying in the back seat because I was very tired.
When we were in the vicinity of Pacaembu, the stadium of Pacaembu ...
suddenly the car skidded ...
it was coming at a very high speed ...
and... I got up scared
and it was when I saw a pole in front of us ...
and we hit very hard on that pole ...
the front of the car even went up a little on the pole.
After ... the accident ...
talking with people... after the accident, after a few days ...
an image began to ... this fact was forming ... I began to understand what had happened.
But one very strange thing ... is that I saw the pole,
I saw the accident ... and immediately ... I had an aerial view ...
my vision ... became aerial,
as if I were floating more or less about 40 or 50 meters in height ...
and I keep in my memory the vision of the car, the smoke, the crash,
the people straying because the car was crossed on the track,
many cars braking because it was a very dangerous curve,
and I was watching all that ... from above,
floating,
this is the feeling, it is the memory that I have of this accident.
And ... which draws my attention a lot
is that I have the memory of having felt a joy ...
a wonderful well being ...
painless...
without ... without anything bad.
It was a pleasure ... I felt pleasure ...
in my memory ... I can tell that I I felt pleasure ... at that moment.
Did not you feel the moment of the crash?
I did not feel the crash.
Is it like you had ... let's say ... jumped up ...
moments before the crash?
I did not feel any pain.
And you did not see the car kneading, you didn't see ...
I did not see.
You only saw the post ...
I saw the post ...
and later I concluded ...
I was thrown forward,
because at that time the cars did not have a bank lock ...
so ... I was thrown, my head was thrown on the dashboard of the car ...
because it made a hole on the dashboard of the car ...
and my face was totally broken
The carsh was very strong.
This I concluded later,
when I looked the crashed car, when I saw my face in the hospital ...
[later I was taken to the hospital]
but at that very moment
I do not remember feeling pain.
My feeling was of pleasure ...
very joyful
a unique sensation that I never again felt ... in life.
and after that, my memory is that I was on the sidewalk,
someone must have put me on the sidewalk ...
This memory ... were you seeing from above or a were you back to the body?
Back to the body.
Already back to the body ... a thousandth of a second later... the memory I have is that I woke up ...
already on the sidewalk ...
and people worried, talking,
and I was very confused,
and the street full of pieces of the car ...
and the other cars still straying... because at dawn
that region turned into a kind of region of racing,
so people always drove through those curves with a high speed.
and then I remember being taken by another cousin to a hospital,
at this time I was already very conscious.
But I do not remember pain ... no pain at all.
Just in the hospital.
Don't you remember the moment you came back?
I do not remember coming back.
Just as suddenly you were there, suddenly you were here?
That's it.
Without interruptions.
I crashed and I saw myself floating.
What about the sound ... did you hear any sound?
No sound ... no sound.
- Any voice? - No.
I've seen much smoke, a lot of broken things,
Down there?
Looking down there.
No sound ... I can not remember a sound ...
I just remember being ... very, very happy ... very, very well ...
feeling very good ... an ecstasy
This is the memory I have.
So much so I see it as nothing traumatic.
It's a bit crazy experience ... because it was an accident we could actually have ...
died...
and I have a happy memory ... of this accident.
I did not see any tragedy ...
despite the material damage and the risk of death.
This is my memory.
This was a unique fact in my life,
although I have often gone through life-threatening situations.
My life has always been full of risks of having died.
In a fire ... I ran away from a fire ...
I got burned ...
because I walked on the top of bushes in fire, running away from the forest that was burning ... in my childhood.
In a bee attack ... who saved me was my mother ...
I lay on the ground and the African bees attacked me,
I already had an experience of shipwreck ...
in a storm...
I almost died.
But was this the only near-death experience?
All were near-death situations, but this experience [NDE] ... was unique.
I already had an accident with an ultralight aircraft... I almost died in this plane crash ...
I've already been kidnapped, they almost killed me in the port of Paranaguá.
I've lived through innumerable situations where I've been on the brink of death ...
and in this case I think I got even closer ...
because in all other experiences I do not remember anything like it.
This one was incredible, it was the one that struck me the most.
And this one happened when you were 17 years...
Around this age.
Since you have had so many experiences, so many situations of near death,
What is the difference between having passed through a near-death experience, in this near-death situation,
compared to all other situations in your life?
I think the near death experience
happened in a very quick situation.
It was in a car accident.
In a second we were already hitting a post.
The other experiences happened more slowly.
Iamgine you are on a sailboat,
then, it comes a storm,
you realize you might die,
and the storm comes, the wind comes, and the mast breaks and you think, "I'm going to die" ...
and there is the shore, and the waves ...
and in the end you escape.
So it's a longer story.
This experience of the car accident was almost like a scare.
It all happened in seconds.
How much time I was watching from up there ... I can not say ...
one minute?
I imagine it was not more than two minutes.
But did you somehow feel that the time there was different from the time here?
No, I do not make this connection, I did not have this feeling.
And with respect to the space you saw ...
The way you interacted with space, did it have any different characteristics?
I guess I had no physical body.
taking into account the vision I had...
I remember, it's in my memory, that I did not have ... mass ...
and I really didn't have it.
Did you have this consciousness of not having mass?
I had this consciousness ...
I had this consciousness of having no matter.
And that did not generate any kind of questioning for you at the moment?
Well ... because of my age at the time ...
I just started questioning this many years after ...
due to my lack of information on all this.
I've never had contact with people who had gone through this.
And I avoided talking ...
because when I told this story
I was ridiculed ...
called crazy.
People even avoided paying attention to me ...
So it took many, many years until I could begin to understand,
even through the media,
that many people had gone through similar things.
This subject has begun to be addressed.
People who were in coma ...
but conscious ... in quotation marks, right?
listening ...
people who saw the light ...
anyway ... each one has his story, each one has his experience.
Then I began to understand that I was not the only one.
But I did not see in society
much interest in wanting to know about that.
As you begin to question
and as you begin to discuss these issues,
you start to enter another field
and it may begin to blend with religion ...
It's hard to talk to people about it ...
without getting involved with religion ... or with the supernatural and stuff like that.
I do not go this way.
So I stop talking
because I do not want that kind of talk.
So, taking advantage I ask:
have you somehow understood it as a religious experience? How did you see it?
No!
I've never been connected to religion ...
and I do not make any kind of connection with the religious thing.
It's something simply ... simply ... scientific.
simply...
it was something that woke me up to question, "Look, there's something else out there."
This is not a simple thing.
So throughout my life,
as I was able to talk to people ...
or do some kind of reading or watch some programs ...
gradually I was questioning and trying to understand what happened,
What is there beyond,
What's out there?
Is it energy?
What is it?
And each one gives me an interpretation, one speaks that was the soul ...
one speaks this and that,
one speaks that ... God has given me back a chance ...
There is always an interpretation ... I listen ... and respect,
but ... I do not see it that way.
How do you see today, at the age of 60, this experience, looking back?
Well ... I think ... that there is ... matter ...
and that there is an ... energy ... somehow ...
if that's the right word to use,
that there is maybe ... I've heard about dimensions ...
is it possible that I was thrown into another dimension?
How did I get out of my physical body?
What came out of my physical body? The soul?
Or was it simply the electrons that, due to the blow, came to stop at 50 meters ... up ...?
They were disoriented ...
They were disoriented and said, "Let me go back to my body down there" ...
something happened.
Maybe I'll never have the answer ...
but maybe someday I will.
I'm not in a hurry to know what happened.
But I always question and I am interested in these matters ...
because they are interesting things that in a certain way are showing us, in the universe,
what we're doing here.
Nilp, after you ... found yourself there, up, you came back and went to the hospital ...
Did you comment this story [NDE] with anyone?
With some doctor, any friends?
I did not comment with anyone,
I commented just about the accident ... that had occurred,
but what happened is that I started to have the consciousness that my memory was aerial ...
and I was astonished.
That's when I thought something was wrong.
How long after that memory came?
I think after one or two weeks ...
because when I was talking about the accident it came to my mind an image ... an aerial image ...
and it would be weird to tell people this.
That's when I started to think:
"How could it be ... aerial?" ... "How did I see the hood of the car?"
How did I see the cars passing by?
Braking ... diverting ... because the traffic is intense there ...
the cars were coming at high speed.
Then it started to catch my attention.
And I could not explain it to people at the time ...
I was telling that I had an accident ...
that happened this, this, this ...
and then ... how was I going to tell the person that I saw ... from above ... this accident?
That is, you hid it from the beginning.
I hid it, I hid it ... because I had no explanation at that time,
I was not prepared for that.
You saw the scene of the accident from above ...
Did you look forward or up?
I saw the neighborhood ...
I remember the neighborhood because it was right next to
the Pacaembu stadium,
but I did not see the field, I was not that high.
I saw the houses ... the trees ... the car ...
much smoke...
getting out of the car ...
lots of cars diverting and honking ...
and many lights dazzling me.
That's what I saw ... I should be 50 meters high.
Did you look up? You...
I did not look ... I did not look up.
Did it seem all normal, as if you were actually there ...
hoisted by a crane,
or was there a different way of feeling reality,
of visually feeling, so to speak.
Well, I felt that ...
the biggest sensation is that I had no physical body ...
and that I was part ... of that system, in that moment
So you had a feeling of belonging?
Yes.
I had the impression ... that I was connected ... to something.
And that there was no physical body.
And that made you happy?
It made me very happy.
Because the body, wanting or not, is a limit.
A limit of matter.
And in that situation I had no limit.
I was ... let's say ... I would be maybe just a consciousness ...
if it is the correct word ...
an energy ...
You had this awareness of having no body, but it is not because you looked at yourself kind of asking ... "Where is my body?" ...
You simply knew it?
I had no body.
I was just a vision.
You knew you had no physical body ...
I had no body.
This was already settled and was not questionable by you ...
It was not questionable.
Were you calm?
I have this feeling that I had no physical body.
And then, over time, I started to ...
to realize how heavy our matter is.
How heavy our body is.
How did this perception come about?
The feeling of lightness ...
of peace...
this ... this pleasure ...
I think with the time I began to realize
that this was so precisely because of the absence of matter.
We are very heavy.
So you came to this conclusion ...
when comparing the memories ... of what was there with what is here ...
The memories ... that's why it is interesting.
It also changed my focus of life.
you know, if dying is this, I want to die.
Did it change your relationship with death?
It did change my relationship with death.
Before [the NDE], were you afraid?
I looked at death more by the religious aspect,
by the aspect of sadness, by the aspect of fear.
After this accident, my relationship with death ...
So much so that I have been so often on the verge of death ...
before and many times after the experience.
Today I face death in a cheerful way.
Because I know what 's waiting for me.
If I really was for a second ... one minute ...
during this experience, out of my body,
out of my body life is wonderful.
Life is wonderful.
Dying will be fantastic.
It's interesting what you say about being heavy because in some interviews we did
people commented on how they felt the body was heavy as they entered their body.
It's interesting that you came to this same conclusion just by comparing the memories.
Questioning all this that happened.
But at that time there was also a certain ...
I went into a tailspin ... because I had a religious trend ...
and I was exactly ... how can I say ... maturing ...
coming out of this phase
maturing ... questioning life ...
questioning my existence ...
so I think this helped me a lot ...
because it completely changed my vision.
Did not you hear anyone say anything?
Nothing.
While you were there did you feel any change in the way you think ... did your thinking speed up?
No, I did not feel that way.
Haven't you had memories of the past?
No.
Did not you see the future?
There was no immediate change.
What happened was that over the years I came to several conclusions,
I made several questionings,
and I think my way of thinking has changed a lot,
my relationship with religion,
my relationship with various situations of my life ...
There was a change ... but it was not immediate.
It was not a landmark.
But it was a great event.
And it gave me subsidies, throughout my life, for me to have another way of thinking,
another way of seeing life,
of seeing the relationships with planet Earth, with the universe.
Everything changed, everything changed, and today I keep searching but I have no answers.
You say you felt connected, somehow, with that whole there ...
but would you say that you felt a connection with other people ... with humanity?
No ... no, no.
Then, what does this connection mean to you?
What is this whole for you?
Well ... if there is ...
If there is no matter ...
if there is no matter ...
with the knowledge that we have, which may be wrong ...
but ... if there is no matter I think we are [connected] in a whole
I think we participate ... we have a ... as if it were a collective consciousness.
Without having matter, which are my limits?
Where is the limit of the other?
Things merge.
I have this impression.
That is, I could interpret what you are saying as:
there is an interconnection among all consciousnesses.
Among all consciousness.
I see it that way.
Very interesting.
Because there is no matter.
Can you gauge the impact it has had on your daily life?
At your job...
from that time?
There wasn't ... I don't see it this way ... there was no change at all.
It influenced my reasoning,
my questioning about my life ...
about my planet, the people.
But ... in my day to day ... there was no change, I did not notice any major change.
Maybe none.
But that experience alerted me ... and gave me a light ...
gave me a direction to go...
a direction to think ... to study ...
This was very important because I could have walked in a direction
completely out of reality,
and I consider that experience that I had as being a north.
"Look, go this way."
"Take it easy in your life because things are not really like they seem to be."
Did your decisions change as life went on ...
comparing to what they would have been if you hadn't gone through it?
I think, I think ... it influenced me in some way,
it did.
Especially with regard to religion ...
to the material aspect ...
"Are you looking for what?"
"You're battling for what?"
You spoke about religion ... then I ask ...
Is there something you would like to talk about,
about how you understand religions nowadays,
anything to say about it?
Well, I have my vision about religion ...
I was raised in the Catholic religion ...
but I do not follow any of them,
I do not believe in the religions we see around,
although I respect them,
and still there is the cultural aspect ...
well ... I do not believe the stories they tell.
Many people who have gone through a near-death experience report that afterwards ...
usually there is this perception of a page turn [watershed] ...
afterwards they begin to have some ... let's call them gifts ...
or perceptions they did not have before ...
for example a person speaks:
"if someone comes near to me and is not well-intentioned, I can feel it."
I was wondering if something changed in your ...
in your feeling ... in your capacity of feeling the existence somehow,
or from then on ... or in some other way that you can not relate to this experience.
No, I don't relate the things.
I already had that perception.
If it increased I can not quantify or relate to this experience I had,
but I have this thing of feeling good or bad energy...
I think everyone has, in one way or another, a little more or a little less ...
In my case, a little less.
I do not see it that way.
I think it's ...
As I matured, I began to pay a little more attention to some facts of my life.
About this experience I had,
I decided not to talk about it with people for many years ...
because when I tried,
I realized that people didn't like it.
that they thought it could be a lie ... or a crazyness ...
Is it easier to talk about it these days?
Nowadays, if I feel the theme is welcome, I go ahead and talk.
As long as the interlocutor does not lead to the field of religion ... or the supernatural ... that is ...
because in this case there is no chance of talk ...
when the person leads the conversation to that field... I think it gets very limited ...
and I do not want to "invade" anyone.
We talked before this interview ...
and you commented on something I'd like you to tell everyone ...
which is something that runs away from the usual ... and that has to do with the work you do today.
Could you tell us a little bit about this?
Is it about creation?
Yes.
Since my childhood I used to invent my own toys.
I always woke up very early...
and I was always very lonely ... I remember that.
so I spent a lot of time creating my toys, creating my games ...
and this in whole life has always been very present in me.
As we were talking before,
my system, my way of creating
It's a way ... I think it's a very different way.
When I tell people about it they think it's kind of weird ...
for example, I use to create several models [for clothes].
Usually I create them overnight.
I wake up ... I go to sleep with a notebook and a pen next to my bed ...
and I wake up [in the middle of the night] with visions ...
I love the darkness ...
I can only sleep in a total darkness ...
then, suddenly I kind of perceive images in front of me.
It is not that I see them.
But I have the perception of the images as if they were in 3D [3 dimensions]...
giving an example, I always worked with fashion.
All my models were created at dawn.
I "saw" the model ...
I wore those clothes on people ...
I saw the seams, I would go inside the pants ...
I saw the pants in 3D turning like this. in front of me...
though I was in the dark.
But I did not see the image itself, it is difficult to explain.
I saw it as a perception ... of that image ...
but with the vision completely in the dark.
And I saw that spinning in front of me...
I changed the design, changed the drawings ...
I changed the buttons ...
At that moment were you awake or asleep?
Absolutely awake.
With eyes open or closed?
Open.
Open. If I closed my eyes it would seem that this was a nuisance.
I had to be in the dark, with my eyes open, having the perception.
All the creations I've made in life have been made that way.
In fact, as we have already talked a little,
I am in a project of a new constructive system ...
That I saw and that is impressive.
which you have seen and found very interesting ....
Actually the engineers are thinking that it's a very good methodology ...
although each methodology will have its own space in the market ...
they think that this methodology really will revolutionize ....
the way the houses are built ...
and this whole project ...
I built this way ...
at dawn...
in the dark, with eyes open ...
and I saw the houses ...
I built the houses ...
with these images.
I have modified many parts of the project ...
looking into space ... in the dark ... this house being built.
and many of the conclusions I came to have come up during these visions ...
It was during these visions ... that I saw when something was not going to work.
And then I tried to change, change, change and change, and after that I begin
the [physical] construction itself.
Could you perceive when what you were seeing at night had a problem?
And that it was not going to work.
So I envisioned a ...
Were you able to make the correction at that moment?
I made the correction of that, of my vision
until the moment came when I thought, "Well, now there's nothing else to do."
"I have to work in my physical lab."
So I went to the lab, with some staff ...
and I started to do the house the way ...
I had seen and corrected in my mind during those intuitions.
And you are not graduated as an architect or an engineer?
No, no, I'm an inventor.
Today I'm not a clothing designer.
I understand today that I am an inventor.
I invented several things ...
but I did not give continuity to them.
But as this is a very relevant thing,
I thought, "I'm going to dedicate myself and I'm going to come up with a new constructive method."
I've been working on this project for five years.
It has not been easy.
Because I had to take courses, lectures,
I went in every trade show,
I went to talk to many engineers,
I got in touch with many associations ...
and no response.
The answer was, "You're the one who invented it, you're the one who has to finish it."
I'm building the first house ...
right now, as soon as we finish our conversation, I go to the construction work.
Within a month or so we'll have the first house ...
completely ready,
because I've already thrown on the garbage ... four houses.
Because if I start building ... then I make the structure ...
the molds ... if I start building ...
and I see that it's getting horrible, bad,
I throw it in the garbage, and I start over again after doing the fixes.
So many nights ...
So many nights with insomnia ...
trying to put it on paper, trying to make the corrections.
What was kind of easy.
This condition of me being able to make the corrections of my creation in my vision ...
greatly accelerated the process, it helped me a lot.
Because I would put even the construction workers, I would put even the people
to put together what I had invented ... in my mind.
I saw what you invented and it's really awesome,
so I'll even ask you to let me know when this material is available in internet...
so that I tell people.
Yes, yes, yes, certainly.
One question:
You at night would keep your eyes open in the darkness, seeing the colorful things in front of you ...
In 3D.
In 3D ... and did you think it was normal?
Well, I lived with it my whole life.
I came to that conclusion.
And did you tell this to someone?
No, no, because for me, this was ...
I thought it happened the same to everyone.
I thought everyone was like this.
And I think ... that this project ... has only been possible because of this ... quality, let's put it this way ...
because everything was born of a joke ... one day I thought:
"Why don't I make a house from the plaster?"
and this ... sounds like a joke ...
how are you going to make a house from the plaster?
You need a house to plaster.
And today I finished this project.
I first put the plaster and then I do the house.
Nowadays, you knowing that not everyone has this kind of night experience
and taking into account all these informations that you had access through these night visions ...
where do you think all this comes from?
I think it comes ...
Your question is very good.
And here I make a certain connection
with that feeling that I had of being part of a whole ... and not of a body.
I can not affirm ...
but I can ... maybe establish, try to make a relationship...
with something that comes to me as if it were some information ...
as if I were an FM antenna
capturing these ... these intuitions ...
these creations.
I live with these images,
and with these things
constantly.
It's even kind of dangerous ...
because a lot of things are starting to happen in my life
and I'm not giving the same value as before.
I've been losing in the last few years ...
losing much of the values that were transmitted to us.
I'm not anymore interested ... in many things.
For example...
Mainly in the material aspect.
So, for example, I had a ... I had a will to know the whole world.
I do not have it anymore.
I heard an interview where some guy said exactly that ...
that I commented with you about the waterfalls ...
I heard this interview at Jovem Pan radio station ... a month ago ...
of a couple who knows 150 countries around the world ...
and they said something that made me very sad ...
but very sad indeed.
they said exactly this ...
the same waterfalls ...
the same mountains
the same landscapes...
of course with some differences.
The snow is white ...
The sea is blue ...
the fish is the fish
so that made me very sad ...
and this is a recent fact.
It took away from me... their experience took away from me ...
really, the will of knowing the world.
It was sad ... but I thought ... well, at least it's something I will not be struggling for ...
because of the risk of realizing - in the future, when I will not have much more time left - that I ran after nothing.
This is not the big deal.
This is not what's cool.
Do you want to know the whole world? And?
One thing that caught my attention ...
about this couple ...
is that the best memory they have of all the trips ...
are the people they've met.
Simply the people ...
now let's think
Do you have to go to Paraguay ...
Do you have to go to England to meet someone else?
Just to meet the English.
Do you get it?
So it shook my head and I thought,
wow, if I walk around the block I have a thousand people to meet ...
and I won't have time for that...
I will not be able to meet all the people.
Maybe we'll have to rethink ...
and say: it's worth [really] knowing the people that I already know.
it's worth knowing the people that we already know.
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