well good evening and welcome to Tucker Carlson tonight it's been an amazing 24
hours even by the action-packed standards of 2018 there's been a lot of
drama in Washington last night as you doubtless know former New York City
Mayor Rudy Giuliani revealed on Sean Hannity's show that President Trump did
in fact reimburse his lawyer Michael Cohen for payments Cohan made to porn
star store McDaniels that seemed like a major story at the time but within hours
it wasn't even the biggest story of the day NBC News reported that federal law
enforcement had wiretap Michael Cohen's phone and apparently recorded at least
one conversation he'd had with the White House presumably with the President of
the United States but then that story changed NBC's new account claims that
the FBI simply recorded the numbers that Cohen dialed and not the content of the
calls he made and that's where we are as of right now 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time one
thing we know for sure is that NBC screwed up and there's no surprise there
obviously but that's pretty much all we can be certain of if NBC's first story
was wrong why do we assume the second is right we really don't know what the
truth is and we have no way of knowing in the absence of honesty from our
government we're totally dependent upon leaks for our news and many of those are
dishonest Michael Cohen by the way still doesn't know why his office was raided
and his phones and email were apparently monitored by the government because
nobody in government will tell him and they're not required to tell him how our
well ian is that by the way imagine if it happened to you if one day armed men
arrived to your office or your home and seized your phone your computers and
your files at gunpoint but never explained why they were doing it and the
next thing you knew cable news anchors were calling you a criminal
now Michael Cohen certainly looks like a shady character but so what
shadiness is not a crime the FBI can't destroy your life just because you talk
like a character from The Sopranos or because you work for Donald Trump those
are not felonies basic norms were violated here attorney-client privilege
is an ancient and a vital concept and by the way so is privacy
the FBI bulldoze to all of that let's hope they had a very good reason for
doing it the government better have evidence that
Michael Cohen was doing something awful putting lives at stake or betraying his
country or something really beyond the pale in order to justify this
if it turns out that all of this was just about a financial sediment with
some pornstar which by the way is a story that not a single American is
honestly shocked by or threatened by no matter what anderson cooper tells you if
that's all it's about then what we're watching is a grotesque violation of
civil liberties and that would be a real crime one with actual victims every
American who believed in representative democracy for example James Kallstrom is
a former assistant director of the FBI he joins this time mr. Kallstrom you
spent your life at the FBI we're very obviously famous leader at
the FBI when you watch the last years you've watched it unfold how do you
think the bureau is doing well the leadership of the bureau and the
leadership of the apartment are doing well at all
Tucker I mean it's just outrageous you know I look back at some records and
during the SNL's in the 80s and 90s you remember that you know yes literally
thousands of SNL's that they went belly-up and a lot of corruption a lot
of criminality not one law firm in the United States not one law firm was ever
served with a search warrant for that whole period of time and yet this little
four person or a five person law firm that just happens to be the laws the law
firm of the president United States is attacked by pen registers by
surveillance by search warrants and you know to get a search warrant from a
federal judge in the criminal side you have to you have to talk about a
criminal act that's that's taking place a criminal predicate and on the national
security side for the FISA judge you have to talk about the threat to
national security and and talk about you know why it's going to be affected it
negatively in both cases without these extraordinary measures
I think it's far-fetched I'll be I'll be corrected if I'm wrong but to see what
kind of a predicate they could have possibly had in this case well so if it
turns out that this really is all about a payment to a porn star and I hate to
say it but let's be honest it's just not a surprising story nobody voting in 2016
is going to be surprised by this if it turns out that's really the
predicate for this and nor is it surprising that Bob Muller
would do something like this it's Bob what was it well I mean look at the
history look at how we wanted to Paul Manafort house and had four o'clock in
the morning here so is that potential if by worse cases a white-collar crime
stuff and you go into a house at 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning with the with
weapons shown you drag a woman out of bed in her nightgown and the children
are I assume screaming yelling around the house I mean that's just an outrage
we don't operate like that in the United States if I was the head of the FBI I
would I would have not let the agents participate now this is something that
came from Mullah up to the US attorney in New York and they apparently put
together an affidavit and I guess the FBI was involved with that and that was
presented to a federal judge and when you go into a lawyer's office you're
going to be really careful in the way it works today you have really two teams of
people one team goes in and does the search another team kind of looks
through the material to try to segment out anything that would it be privileged
and in this case the federal judge who now has control over this case has gone
a step further and is turning all that material over to a senior federal judge
Barbara Jones who's a fantastic judge a good friend of mine over the years and
she'll decide you know what the US government gets to see and what the US
government doesn't get to see right but you think and I should just clear it up
for audience we weren't familiar with your career I wouldn't describe you as a
soft on crime liberal at all but you think based on decades at the FBI that
what you're watching now is out of line there's no precedent for it
Tucker I don't believe in kicking in doors unless there's a reason for it and
I don't believe having outrageous search warrants you know unless there's a real
bona fide reason is there a criminal predicate for this I'd be surprised if
there was if it is it's probably some concoction from some you know stupid
intelligence contact or is it a national-security predicate I find that
would be preposterous you know I just think these people out of control from
the very time that Donald Trump was the nominee of the Republican Party there
has been a conspiracy a Fifth Column call it what you want that has tried to
stop him from getting elected and number two
stop his effective work for the people of this country and look at the
magnificent job he's done in the anecca no economic front in the Foreign
Relations Front in a year and a half in my view more than the last three
presidents combined I I'm just I'm awestruck that you're saying this
because you're not a cable news talking head and any of our viewers are not
familiar with your career ought to go to Google and look it up you speak with
authority on this subject and so I'm I'm I'm shocked by what she said and
saddened but I believe you because you are believable on this subject mr.
Kallstrom thank you for joining us tonight
my pleasure no I don't have the facts but that's my record that's what I think
is the situation Tucker well you have perspective that's for sure I appreciate
it thank you go Danny Colson is a former
Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI and he joins us tonight Mr Coulson thank you
for coming on I want to ask you about Daniel Richmond and we're learning that
James Comey when he ran the FBI hired a friend of his called Daniel Richmond who
was a professor at Columbia a lawyer in a kind of gray area job as a crypto
government employee basically to do PR for him and to leak information he
thought would be helpful to his reputation you spent a long time at the
FBI have you ever seen anything like that before I've never seen anything
like that Tucker and I've talked to a number of former executives in the FBI
and neither have they you know this is this is not like a junior membership in
the Garden Club this is given a man who really has no job except this give some
advice and do publicity for the director getting a security clearance and access
to the FBI building that's that's really significant to me and I think there's a
another issue here and the fact that this individual was the one they call me
leaked to gave the memos too and that didn't come
up and comb his hearings that's that's troubling to me and the fact that they
they did that I wouldn't want an inquiry done if I were back there I'd be looking
at that how'd this happen who generated it and did the guy get a rule background
it was an FBI background or a name check or database check or do they go out and
let me clear this guy that's there's a lot of unanswered questions here and it
kind of reflects the way of the director of the FBI then James Comey ran it well
so since you served in the FBI under other directors things were not done
this way before no I've never seen this we hire contractors and they're
essential and they're needed and they get paid and they're vetted and they
participate in a lot of really important things but I've never seen anything like
this where it's an unpaid crony of the director of the FBI that that doesn't
make any sense to me and I I just wish there was somebody back there that that
during that regime that would say director this is not the way to go
somebody that's not owing to him for a promotion or a transfer says right don't
do this they say this father sent Letha at least to look bad rule and the FBI
has an image and and I don't think that he promoted that and bringing this man
on board I think that was foolhardy speaking of the way the public perceives
the FBI what do you make of commis book tour where he's taken a series of very
political positions how does that affect the way citizens feel about your agency
well it's troubling and I think that his book tour and his comments his book
itself reflects why he was not a successful director of the FBI the book
is entitled in part higher authority and I think that he didn't respect the
authority of our Constitution and I think that King it comes out loud and
clear when he goes out and makes these outrageous statements that wasn't a leak
I talks they justified what he did he ran the most weak feckless investigation
ever in the history of the FBI and I think that reflects not on the FBI
reflects on him not us yeah thank you for that
I appreciate your perspective on that since again thank you I enjoyed it it's
always fun mark Penn was for many years one of the highest levels
visors to Hillary Clinton he's the author of the new book micro-trend
squared and he joins us tonight mark thanks a lot for coming on thank you sue
you wrote kind of an amazing piece the other day in the hill title something
like questions I have for for Robert Muller tell us some of the questions
that if you could ask you would well remember Tucker I spent a year working
with President Clinton against the Ken Starr and that effort and I just
remember very well I just find that that that was child's play to what's going on
here and I think that well Muller has some questions about what the president
was thinking when he fired coming well I certainly have some questions about what
he was thinking when first he went to apply for the FBI job in the first place
with Rosen Stein and then turns around the next day didn't you already have a
plan when he turned around boy when he put that team together and there wasn't
a single Trump donor what was he thinking then and when he looked at the
these dossiers and discovered that that there was no foundation here how did he
deal with that and how does he justify you know these kinds of really
stormtrooper tactics I think is is perhaps not an exaggeration when you go
guns drawn to political consultants wire taps all over the place over payments to
porn stars this thing has gotten out of control and while he wants to question
the president it seems that no one could really questioned either Muller work or
call me or Rosenstein and that is precisely the problem yeah it is the
problem and and I hate to admit it since I supported the ken starr Independent
Counsel investigation and I look back in the shame because of that but that was
the case that the Clinton people made at the time there's no oversight here and
that's a huge problem and it turns out you were right about that in your piece
you made reference to his behavior in Boston when he worked there in the weddi
Bulger case briefly summarize that if you would because I thought it was
really interesting well really the the question and I think professor
Dershowitz has has really been out on on this thing then in the Bulger case there
were four innocent people in jail due to prosecutorial misconduct and he was head
of the office and so he you do not really find him in the
cases but that means he waited until the courts overturned things to release the
people and so what was he thinking when that when that was happening how did he
permit that how did he permit these kinds of gross abuses and how does he
then supervise an investigation now that seems to be filled with them mark pent
again you have authority on the subject and so it's nice to to hear from you
thanks al went through at once I hope America doesn't go through it again yeah
Hillary never would pull out this too smart for this there's no doubt thank
you thank you China has a plan in place to displace
this country as the world's strongest power a top expert on this Civic will
explain how that's working unfortunately it is working and then we'll talk to
Marco Rubio who's taken a profound interest in this all of a sudden it's an
interesting conversation Station
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