THE WASHINGTON POST HAS SPOKEN TO A NUMBER OF WHITE
HOUSE AIDES WHO WISH TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS, AND BASED ON THESE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AIDES, TRUMP HAS TOLD CONFIDANTS THAT A
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN MIGHT ACTUALLY BE GOOD FOR HIM BECAUSE
HE WILL FIND A WAY TO PLACE THE BLAME ON DEMOCRATS, EVEN THOUGH
DEMOCRATS DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF CONGRESS AT ALL.
SO --
>>IF YOU REMEMBER, TRUMP HAD A MEETING WITH CHUCK SCHUMER AND
NANCY PELOSI, AND IT SEEMED LIKE THINGS WERE ON THE UP AND UP AND
THEY WERE GETTING ALONG, AND LATER HE GOT A LITTLE CRITICISM
FROM THE RIGHT FOR NEGOTIATING WITH THEM, SO NOW HE IS TRYING
TO RESPOND TO THAT WITH HIS HARDLINE POLICY REGARDING
IMMIGRATION.
NOW --
>>THERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HIM GETTING IN TROUBLE BY HIS
OWN TWEETS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO STOP AND JUST SHUT
IT, BUT HE CHANGED HIS TUNE THIS FALL --
>>SO HE GOES FROM THINKING IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO MAYBE THIS
ISN'T A GOOD IDEA -- HE CAN'T MAKE UP HIS MIND.
I THINK MY
FAVORITE QUOTE WAS FROM SCHUMER, WHERE HE IS LIKE, WE ARE
JUST TRYING TO CATCH HIM ON A GOOD DAY BECAUSE WE DON'T
KNOW WHERE HE WILL LAND.
>>THAT WAS DICK DURBIN, WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THIS PARTICULAR
THING FOR THE DEMOCRATS.
I HAVE IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS SO
FUNNY, DURBIN SAID HE HAS A TENDENCY TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH,
WE HOPE WE CATCH HIM AT A GOOD MOMENT.
BECAUSE DURBIN SAID
RIGHT AFTER THE INAUGURATION TRUMP TOLD DURBIN HIMSELF, WE
WILL TAKE CARE OF THOSE KIDS, REFERRING TO THE DREAMERS.
AND
THE ENTIRE REASON FOR THAT NANCY PELOSI, CHUCK SCHUMER MEETING
THAT GOT SO MUCH PRESS WITH TRUMP WAS BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY
DO NEED THE DEMOCRATS A LITTLE BIT, TO BE FAIR, I WILL EXPLAIN
THAT IN A SECOND, TO PASS A BUDGET.
AND THE DEAL WAS, YOU
HELP US PASS THE BUDGET, AND THEN WE WILL MAKE SURE THE
DREAMERS CAN STAY AND WE WON'T DEPORT THEM.
THEN TRUMP GETS A
TON OF HATE FROM THE RIGHT WING, OH NO, THROW ALL THE DREAMERS
OUT, WE WANT OUR BUDGET -- OF COURSE THEY ALWAYS WANT
EVERYTHING.
SO TRUMP READS THAT, AND OTHER WORDS STEVE BANNON
SENT IT TO HIM, SO TRUMP IS LIKE OH WAIT, HE LITERALLY TOLD AN
ADVISOR, I LOOK LIKE A CHUMP HERE.
HE IS SUCH A CHILD.
YOU
DIDN'T REALIZE IT WOULDN'T PLAY WELL WITH YOUR BASE TO MAKE A
DEAL WITH PELOSI AND SCHUMER?
IF I WAS IN THAT SITUATION I WOULD
SAY, I'M WILLING TO PAY THAT PRICE BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO MAKE
SURE THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T SHUT DOWN, WE NEED A BUDGET, AND
MAYBE I CAN GET VOTES IN THE MIDDLE FROM DOING THE DREAMER
THING -- BUT HE DOESN'T GET IT.
HE IS LIKE, NANCY AND CHUCK GAVE
ME A GOOD DEAL.
AFTERWARDS HE GOT GOOD PRESS OUT OF IT AND HE
EVEN CALLED THEM AND SAID, DID YOU SEE ALL THE GOOD PRESS WE
ARE GETTING?
THEN HE GETS BAD PRESS FROM PLACES LIKE
BREITBART, AND HE SAYS I LOOK LIKE A CHAMP, THEN WE WILL HAVE
A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
>>WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IS TRUMP'S INTERPRETATION OF
THINGS AND HOW DIFFERENT IT IS FROM REPUBLICANS.
FOR INSTANCE,
BASED ON WHAT THESE WHITE HOUSE AIDES ARE TELLING THE PRESS,
TRUMP THINKS HE COULD USE A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN TO HIS
ADVANTAGE WHICH IS RIDICULOUS BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ARE IN
CHARGE, YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, REPUBLICANS IN CHARGE
IN CONGRESS, EVEN A PARTIAL SHUTDOWN OF THE GOVERNMENT HURT
A LOT OF PEOPLE, THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR YOUR POLL NUMBERS.
IN
HIS MIND, I WILL JUST BLAME IT ON DEMOCRATS.
WHO KNOWS, HE IS A
MASTER MANIPULATOR.
>>IT COULD WORK, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT
HIM THROUGH THICK AND THIN, WHAT IS THE ONE THING THEY REALLY
WANT?
A WALL.
THEY REALLY WANT THE WALL.
REMEMBER THE POLL THAT
CAME OUT A FEW WEEKS AGO ABOUT HIS SUPPORT -- OR HOW THEY DON'T
BELIEVE THE MEDIA, THEY BELIEVE NOT FLAT OUT THAT THE MEDIA HAS
AN OPINION -- THAT WE MAKE STUFF UP.
>>THAT WE FABRICATE STORIES, YES.
>>AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL BELIEVE WHATEVER HE SAYS.
>>QUICKLY GOING BACK TO THAT SURVEY, 76% OF THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY WHO WAS SURVEYED SAID WE BELIEVE THAT THE MEDIA
FABRICATES STORIES ABOUT TRUMP.
76%.
>>THAT IS INSANE.
LET ME AGREE AND DISAGREE WITH YOU.
TRUMP IS
NOT A MASTER MANIPULATOR, HE IS A MORON.
HE KEEPS FLIPPING
BECAUSE HE'S A CHILD AND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING.
DO I LOOK
GOOD OR BAD?
I'M FOR THIS, AND FOR THAT -- HE IS A MORON, HE
HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING.
BUT I AGREE THAT IT COULD WORK.
BECAUSE MORE THAN THE WALL STUFF, I THINK THE THING HIS
VOTERS LOVE MOST ABOUT HIM IS STRENGTH.
LIKE, WHEN YOU POLL
PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP, IT DOES EARLY WELL, EVEN AMONG
REPUBLICANS YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED HOW WELL PATHWAY TO
CITIZENSHIP POLLS.
THEY AREN'T LIKE YOU MUST HAVE AN 18 FOOT
WALL, IT'S JUST HIM BEING STRONG IN STANDING UP TO PEOPLE.
THAT'S
WHY IT COULD WORK, I WAS SO STRONG, I'M SHUTTING THE
GOVERNMENT DOWN.
BUT IT IS YOUR GOVERNMENT, YOU CLOWN.
I KNOW,
I'M SHUTTING IT DOWN.
OH, YOU LOOK STRONG.
>>ALSO IT COULD BE WHO WILL FLINCH FIRST, AND WHICH
PARTY HAS A TENDENCY TO FLINCH FIRST?
>>WE ALL KNOW THAT IS THE DEMOCRATS.
AND IF HE GETS THEM
TO FLINCH IT WILL BE SO SAD.
>>I THINK HE WILL GET THEM TO FLINCH.
BECAUSE THINK ABOUT IT,
HIM TYING THIS ENTIRE SHUTDOWN SITUATION TO THE IMMIGRATION
POLICY -- I THINK IT WILL REALLY WORK.
BECAUSE IF HE SAYS THEY
AREN'T WILLING TO NEGOTIATE WITH US REGARDING THIS ISSUE BECAUSE
OF MY HARDLINE STANCE ON IMMIGRATION, COME ON.
EVEN
PEOPLE ON THE LEFT -- I'M NOT SAYING PROGRESSIVES -- BUT SOME
PEOPLE ON THE LEFT ARE IN FAVOR OF STRONGER IMMIGRATION
POLICIES.
>>IT IS PART OF WHAT GOT HIM ELECTED.
BUT LOOK, LET'S BE
FAIR, BY THE WAY -- REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE WHOLE GOVERNMENT BUT
DEMOCRATS DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEVERAGE.
OF REPUBLICANS
DIDN'T NEED THEM AT ALL THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT A
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
SO WHY DO DEMOCRATS HAVE LEVERAGE?
IN THE
HOUSE THERE ARE A BUNCH OF EXTREME RIGHT-WING REPUBLICANS
WHO VOTE NO ON THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GIVE THE RICH
ENOUGH, THEY CALL THAT FREEDOM.
SO THEY WILL VOTE NO ON THE
BUDGET.
WHICH MEANS THAT EVEN IN THE HOUSE, REPUBLICANS NEED
DEMOCRATS TO VOTE YES ON THEIR DRACONIAN BUDGET TO PASS.
SO
THEN, OKAY, THEY HAVE TO GET DEMOCRATIC VOTES.
AND IN THE
SENATE THE DEMOCRATS COULD FILIBUSTER THE BUDGET.
IF YOU
ASK ME, WHY WOULD A DEMOCRAT AGREE TO THIS REPUBLICAN BUDGET?
I SAY NO.
I WILL FLIP IT ON YOU.
ARE NOT GOING TO FLINCH.
I WANT
DACA, I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PROTECT NET NEUTRALITY.
I'M
NOT AN UNREASONABLE REPUBLICAN, I WANT ALL MY PRIORITIES EVEN
THOUGH I'M IN THE MINORITY -- BUT I WOULD HAVE A LIST OF TWO
TO FIVE THINGS THAT I WANT, AND I WOULDN'T SAY AHEAD OF TIME I'M
KIDDING, I WILL TAKE ONLY ONE, BUT LOOK AT THE NEGOTIATION OF
DEMOCRATS TO BEGIN WITH, THEY STARTED WITH DACA, THAT'S IT,
YOU EITHER GET THAT OR NOTHING AT ALL.
AT THE END YOU GUYS
MIGHT BE RIGHT, EVEN THOUGH THEY NEED THE DEMOCRATS, THE
DEMOCRATS MIGHT VOTE FOR A TERRIBLE REPUBLICAN BUDGET, AND
BY THE WAY PUT THEMSELVES ON THE HOOK FOR THAT BUDGET, AND GET
ALMOST NOTHING IN RETURN.
SO, AS FOOLISH AS DONALD TRUMP IS, HIS
ADVISORS LIKE STEVE BANNON ARE TELLING HIM, PUNCH THE DEMOCRATS
IN THE FACE AND YOU WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY GET AWAY WITH IT, THAT
MIGHT BE DECENT ADVICE.
>>TRUMP DOES GET ONE THING, INSTINCTS.
HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT
THINGS.
AND PEOPLE FEEL LIKE IMMIGRANTS ARE THREATENING THEM,
SO IF HE TIES IT INTO THAT IT COULD WORK.
>>LAST THING, A LOT OF REPUBLICANS AND PEOPLE IN THE
WHITE HOUSE DON'T WANT HIM TO DO IT, I THINK A LOT OF REPORTERS
GET THIS WRONG -- THEY MEAN WELL, THEY SAY I TALKED TO MY
SOURCES AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
BUDGET -- IF THE BUDGET ISN'T PASSED THEN PARTS OF THE
GOVERNMENT WILL SHUT DOWN AND THAT WILL HURT AMERICANS.
THEY
ARE REPUBLICANS, WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THEY CARED ABOUT
HURTING AMERICANS?
NO, IT WILL HURT THE STOCK MARKET.
THAT IS
WHY SOME REPUBLICANS ARE IN A PANIC.
WAIT, IF WE HAVE A
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN THE MARKET GOES DOWN.
BE CAREFUL!
THAT IS
WHY YOU HAVE PANICKED COMMENTS LIKE THIS, WHEN SENATOR JOHN
CORNYN OF TEXAS SAYS IT SEEMS LIKE AN AD LOCATION OF
RESPONSIBILITY, LINDSEY GRAHAM SAYS WE WOULD LOOK LIKE CRAZY
PEOPLE TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT IN LIGHT OF ALL OF
OUR PROBLEMS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE GUYS GOT THE MEMO FROM
THEIR DONORS, DON'T SHUT IT DOWN, THIS WILL HURT THE
MARKETS.
BUT TRUMP IN THAT CASE IS TOO THICK TO REALIZE IT.
SO
IT'S A COMBINATION, IT IS NOT A CLEAR WIN FOUR TRUMP EVEN IF
THEY DO A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, EVEN IF WE WERE RIGHT ABOUT OUR
SPECULAR ABOUT THE WEAKNESS OF DEMOCRATS.
BUT IF DEMOCRATS HOLD
STRONG AND THE MARKETS GO DOWN AND REPUBLICANS PANIC, WE CAN
WIN AND WE CAN GET PROTECTION FOR DREAMERS.
BUT THAT WOULD
REQUIRE THE DEMOCRATS TO STAY STRONG.
WISH US LUCK.
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