Please, be seated.
Hello, Your Honor.
Hello.
This is the case of Brown-Ramirez v. Wayne.
Thank you, Jerome. Good day, everyone.
AUDIENCE: Good day.
WAYNE: Good day.
Ms. Brown-Ramirez, you are here in court today
because you say you're hoping
to save your 10-year relationship
with the defendant, Mr. Wayne.
Yes, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: You state you have three children with him
but confessed that your nine-month-old daughter
may not be his biological child?
(AUDIENCE GASPING)
Yes, Your Honor.
Mr. Wayne, you argue that Miss Brown-Ramirez
has lied and deceived you throughout your relationship?
Yes, Your Honor.
You warn if the results reveal you are not the father,
you will walk away and never look back?
(AUDIENCE GASPING)
Yes, Your Honor. Without a doubt.
Miss Brown-Ramirez, explain
how this decade-long relationship
has now become so toxic.
Well, Your Honor, every other day is a constant battle
of whether or not I'm cheating, I'm lying,
and I'm here because, you know, we have three kids
and I'm woman enough to be here
and say that there's a possibility
that my nine-month-old daughter is not Mr. Wayne's.
(AUDIENCE GASPING)
BROWN: I did lie to Mr. Wayne but he's always saying...
WAYNE: Man, since day one, you been lying about everything.
You lied about who you was.
She lied about who she was?
Yeah, when I asked her
about how many people she's been with before me...
BROWN: For 10 years, Your Honor, he knew this fact
and, you know, I didn't force him
to stay in this relationship.
He decided to stay.
So, you were upset
because she didn't openly admit
how many sex partners she'd had previously?
BROWN: Your Honor, nobody's perfect.
Yes, your honor.
Most women lie about
how many sexual partners they've had in the past.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
BROWN: Thank you. Thank you.
Look, and they usually make the number smaller.
And most men lie
about how many sexual partners they've had.
(WAYNE LAUGHING)
And they usually make the number a little larger.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
(LAUGHING)
So, did you think she was cheating on you
throughout your relationship?
Yes, that's right.
Every day, constantly...
"You're a liar." "You're a cheater."
Every name in the book you can think of, I was it.
JUDGE LAKE: So, this has been a decade-long,
on-and-off relationship.
Why did you stay? Why do you continue to come back?
Exactly.
Because the whole reason of me coming back to her
while she was pregnant
with my daughter, my first child,
is the simple fact of me not ever having a dad.
JUDGE LAKE: You really want that family?
Yes.
That life you didn't have,
you wanna give that to your children?
WAYNE: Yes.
BROWN: Right. And so do I, Your Honor,
but every day constantly accusing me of cheating,
accusing me of lying saying that,
"Oh, you doin' this and you doin' that."
Why would you wanna be in a relationship with somebody like that?
It does not make any sense, it's not logical.
So, you do now admit, Miss Brown-Ramirez,
that you lied?
BROWN: Yes, I do.
You did lie?
I did lie.
But I became honest with him and I told him.
So it's not like he just has no idea up until this day.
Moving forward. Let's get to the children.
You have doubts about two children.
I wanna start with the nine-month-old first.
Tell me exactly what happened
as to why your nine-month-old is in question.
Well, Your Honor, we were separated
in the month that I had conceived.
JUDGE LAKE: Mmm-hmm.
And I was dealing with someone else.
Being that I never had a father,
I chose to go back to Mr. Wayne
because I felt like
he always manipulated me into being with him saying...
Naw, you were just trying to take advantage of me, that's it.
"You never had your daddy. You want your daughters
"to grow up to be like you?"
And "I don't understand why you just wanna go out
"and do this and do that."
And, you know, "You don't want a father for your children."
But in all reality, I do! It's just the fact
I can't deal with him accusing me of cheating, lying.
Little do you know, you're the reason I'm still here.
'Cause look at you. Look how you turned out.
Ten years. That's in the past now.
That's why I'm still here.
Look how you turned out.
It's in the past.
You think I want them girls to grow up like you?
I've made that choice and I changed.
AUDIENCE: Oh!
JUDGE LAKE: And so,
you were intimate with another man?
BROWN: Right.
Did you use protection...
And I expressed that to him.
No, I didn't. At that point, no.
You did not?
Was it a one-time thing...
WAYNE: Nope.
...or did you have a continuing relation?
That one time I did not use protection.
And during the same time,
you were intimate with Mr. Wayne?
Yes, Your Honor.
What point did you began to realize
that baby Aramiyah
may not be Mr. Wayne's biological child?
When I got pregnant with her. When I first conceived.
JUDGE LAKE: So, you knew instantly.
When you found out you were pregnant,
you knew it that moment?
BROWN: Yes, I did, but I was scared.
I didn't know how he will react based on the fact
that in the past, we had issues and one day he'd say,
"Oh, we'll work it out." And then two days later,
it's, "Oh, I don't want you."
"You're a liar." "You're a cheater."
I'm every name in the book.
I mean, every day when I gotta look at your belly...
Nobody knows what I've been through...
I gotta look at your belly every day that way.
...but me and him.
So, therefore, how can you just say that I'm not...
I'm trying to rub the belly, I can't even rub on it pridefully.
...who you want me to be and I made that change
to be with you.
And now, "Oh, if she's not mine, I'm gonna walk away."
But you been in her life for the past nine months,
so how can you just say,
"I'm gonna walk away from a child that possibly is not mine"?
And, you know, you've been there knowingly...
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
...that she's probably not yours.
So, Mr. Wayne, how do you respond to that?
Because truthfully, you know,
I understand your doubt, first off.
But I feel almost as if you're at war.
You know, a part of you says
"I wanna be the father I never had
"and I keep going back to this woman
"because I wanna be there for the children.
"I wanna create this family."
And the next breath she says you're calling her names.
Every day. Every day. Every day! Every day!
Nobody knows but me and this man right here.
(SOBBING) Every day, I'm this, I'm that, I'm the other,
and I'm tired of it.
I'm really, truly, honestly tired of it.
If you don't wanna be with me, don't be with me.
You can still be there for your kids.
I said... I'm not going to deny that.
You don't have to be with me.
I'm me.
You can have a relationship with your kids.
Then when I said over and over and over.
WAYNE: On the same token, you trying to throw me
under the bus.
No, you tried to throw me under the bus,
like you Mr. Perfect, like you're an angel.
I ain't never perfect.
It takes two, not one! Two! Two! Two!
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
JUDGE LAKE: So, Mr. Wayne, she's admitted
that she's cheated. That's wrong.
You've admitted you've cheated. That's wrong.
You also say you wanna create a family,
you wanna make things better,
you want to have the family,
the children to have the family you didn't.
What I'm trying to understand is, if you want to do that,
how can you do that and be verbally abusive
to their mother?
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
JUDGE LAKE: And I'm not saying your doubt isn't warranted
because you have a valid reason to be doubtful.
And she's admitted it.
Right. And we discussed that,
but if you don't wanna be with me, just say that.
You can still be there for your kids.
So, Mr. Wayne, throughout the pregnancy, were you there?
Did you attend doctor's appointment? Were you supportive?
BROWN: No.
Yes, I was, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: You were?
Not even five minutes after I had her.
I had doubts.
He took her out of my arms and just, you know,
they had a bond, you know what I mean?
It was like they're inseparable
at this point in time.
And for him to constantly say that,
"Oh, well, if she's not mine,
"I'm just... I'm gone. I'm not coming back."
You chose to stay. Nobody forced you.
WAYNE: I started to have doubts of her being mine.
I told you plenty of times you could go.
And why?
WAYNE: The baby don't look like me.
I'm really dark. She's really light.
BROWN: Right. My mother is light.
WAYNE: I also have evidence
right here to prove that.
JUDGE LAKE: Let me see that evidence.
Jerome, would you pass that to me, please?
Her nose don't look like mine. Her eyebrows...
(JUDGE LAKE SIGHING)
This is a picture of Aramiyah
on the left and a picture of you?
WAYNE: Yes.
JUDGE LAKE: Is that your doubt expression?
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
Okay. Moving forward.
You don't feel like there's any physical similarity?
You don't see it?
BROWN: One day she does look like him,
and one day she doesn't. That's his theory.
I'm still battling with it to this day
because there'd be points where
I'm holding my baby and I'm like, you know...
And she did say she's probably not mine
and I started looking at her like...
And it's kinda hard for me to be
the father that I know I can be
to the fullest potential
without actually knowing for sure.
You know, despite the fact that you've said
some pretty harsh things,
it seems like this really hurts you,
because I can see in your eyes
when you talk about holding your baby,
and looking in her eyes and loving her.
And yet always having to fight with that doubt.
That's hurtful, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
It's almost haunting, it seems like.
All the names I'm being called
and everything that he says about me
in front of my daughter is hurtful.
Because I have to look at her every day.
It's hurtful and it's also your fault though.
JUDGE LAKE: Now you're standing here, Mr. Wayne,
and you're saying, if these children aren't yours
even though they look to you as their father,
you're ready to bounce on these kids?
That you're gonna leave?
BROWN: Right. What kind of a man does that make you?
WAYNE: You cheated. I found out about it.
Hey, my baby already here.
So I'm like, "Mmm, I'm trying to be in my baby's life."
So, do I skate out, bounce out like a coward,
like most people do?
Do I bounce out
or do I try to strategize
and come up with alternatives and stuff like that
in order to keep me in these girls' life?
So, Miss Brown-Ramirez,
in your heart of hearts,
do you believe your daughter is Mr. Wayne's
biological child?
Yes, I do.
Because, honestly, I feel as if
she looks identical to him
and his siblings and his nieces and nephews.
You know, they have very strong genes
and I see it in her
every day that I look into her eyes.
That is what I see.
And for him to just call me all these names
in front of her, it hurts deeply.
Nobody seems to understand that.
JUDGE LAKE: But in your statement to the court, ma'am,
you said that during that time,
you did sleep with more than one man.
Other than Mr. Wayne,
yes, it was one other person.
One other person?
One other person.
And you think that the date of conception...
You did the calculation,
it leads back to the other man?
Correct, Your Honor.
AUDIENCE: Wow.
And she told me this, so why wouldn't I have doubt?
She was honest with you about the dates and the...
WAYNE: After me grillin' her.
How did those dates add up?
I did my research.
That's it, here?
Jerome, please, let me see this.
This is the research you did
concerning the window of conception?
Correct, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: Thank you, Jerome.
You were able, through this app, to determine
the window of the conception?
BROWN: Yes, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: Were you intimate with the other man
during that window of conception?
Yes, Your Honor.
WAYNE: Yep, 'cause we was separated.
We was separated and still kickin' it.
JUDGE LAKE: And how about Mr. Wayne?
BROWN: Yes, Your Honor.
Were you intimate with him
during those days that week as well?
It was about a week after.
You know, it's obvious your concern is,
is that the evidence as you did your research
and did the calculation,
it points to the other man?
Yes, Your Honor.
And your fear is that your whole family
is going to be destroyed because of your mistake?
BROWN: Yes, Your Honor.
WAYNE: It ain't like we're already...
Like, it ain't like we're not separated.
You know, um...
But, uh...
If, you know...
Any of them come back not to be mine,
then it will be zero coming back.
Like nothing, like nothing.
Well, I think it's time for the results.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
Jerome?
Your Honor.
WAYNE: She also has
a four-year-old boy that I also doubt,
due to, once again,
her own confessions, her own mouth.
So, you not only doubt the nine-month-old...
BROWN: My four-year-old.
...you also doubt the four-year-old as yours?
WAYNE: Yes, Your Honor.
BROWN: But he didn't start doubting my four-year-old
until I told him about my nine-month-old.
JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Wayne, Miss Brown-Ramirez, respectfully,
I'd like to get into that after we get these results.
And then I will most certainly hear testimony concerning
the four-year-old, okay?
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
Are we ready for these results?
Yes, Your Honor.
These results were prepared by DNA Diagnostics
and they read as follows.
In the case of Brown-Ramirez v. Wayne,
when it comes to nine-month-old Aramiyah Wayne,
Mr. Wayne,
it has been determined by this court
that you
are her father.
Thank you.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
That's all I wanted.
That's why I wait.
That's why I wait.
That's why I'm here.
To give you your answers and your proof.
To show you
that you don't have to mistreat me.
And I'm already starting to respect you
a little bit more because of it.
Because I just found out some good news.
Now that you know,
the doubts that haunt you...
Yes, it's over. It's over.
JUDGE LAKE: It's done.
Right. And I'm hoping that from this day forth
I'm not every name in the book
and I'm not a cheater and I'm not a liar.
Mr. Wayne,
you gotta stop being verbally abusive.
You gotta stop the name-calling.
BROWN: In front of my kids though.
And I need you to understand this.
This is the mother of your child.
At least we've established with this nine-month-old.
You are her father.
WAYNE: This is a learning experience. I'm still learning.
JUDGE LAKE: Listen, I know this isn't gonna be overnight.
And the reason why I know it's not gonna be overnight
is because we still have another situation to deal with.
So I understand there are still doubts
concerning the paternity of your four-year-old.
And I have those results as well. Jerome, the envelope.
This is something that's very serious
and it continues to affect your family as well.
I would like to read these results to you
in my chambers because I have something
I need to say to the both of you.
I'll meet you there. Court is adjourned.
So, I have the results
concerning your four-year-old child
that you doubt whether or not you're the biological father,
and I wanted to read them here in my chambers.
Now there has been
such an incredible
lack of trust in this relationship.
It has led to not just verbal abuse,
but just the breaking down of a family.
And you all not being able to just see
more than two feet in front of you,
what the future will hold,
and I want that resolved once and for all.
In the case of Brown-Ramirez v. Wayne,
when it comes to four-year-old Aramis Wayne, Jr.,
Mr. Wayne,
you are his father.
Okay?
BROWN: I never had a doubt in my mind
about my four-year-old.
But he did.
Right.
And you understand that...
I do understand.
...the infidelity and the lying created the doubt
about the nine-month-old, and that's what
I need you to understand about a lack of trust.
You have to decide in this relationship
what you wanna feed,
lies or the truth.
I wish you the best of luck and congratulations, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you, Your Honor.
You're welcome.
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