You may be seated.
Hello, Your Honor.
Hello.
This is the case of Moses and Green v. Lightle.
Thank you, Ron. Good day, everyone.
AUDIENCE: Good day.
Good morning.
JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Moses, you've summoned Ms. Lightle
to court to prove that you fathered
her one-year-old daughter, Lamiyah.
And you say Ms. Lightle denies
that you're the father because you wanna fight
for custody, is that correct?
Yes, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Lightle,
you claim you want this paternity dispute
to be over just like your relationship.
Correct.
JUDGE LAKE: And hope once
the DNA results are revealed
you won't ever have to see Mr. Moses again.
That's correct, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: All right.
So, Mr. Moses, the stakes are high today.
MOSES: Yes, they are high, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: Explain.
Because, me, myself, I'm a great father.
I would love to continue being a great father,
but Ms. Lightle here,
she make that a bit difficult at times.
LIGHTLE: No.
MOSES: She gets in her feelings,
she gets mad at me.
I'm not the father or it's a possibility...
He's a difficult person, Your Honor.
...I'm not the father.
He doesn't know how to communicate.
When we on good terms, Your Honor,
"Come get your daughter," Your Honor.
He's a child.
Okay. One at a time. I wanna understand this.
Sometimes, she says you are the father.
Yeah. When we on good terms, she says,
"Come get your daughter."
Legally, you are the father.
That's why I say that.
MOSES: Legally, yes.
I signed the birth certificate.
Legally, you are.
Yes, this is my daughter.
I signed the birth certificate.
JUDGE LAKE: Let me see that birth certificate.
So wait a minute, Mr. Moses,
you signed the birth certificate.
You believe this is your baby.
Yes.
Uelamik Islamiyah.
LIGHTLE: Your Honor, I...
You all go together.
MOSES: I named my child. She named after me.
JUDGE LAKE: You're on the birth certificate.
MOSES: Yes.
LIGHTLE: Your Honor I told him
when I was eight-months pregnant
that there was a possibility that he was not the father.
She say this all the time, and it's out of spite.
LIGHTLE: No, it's not. This is 'cause it's the truth.
JUDGE LAKE: I wanna hear from her. Ms. Lightle,
what did you tell him exactly?
I told him when I was eight months pregnant,
Your Honor, that there was a possibility
that he could not be the father.
He told me that he know he is the dad
and he's gonna be there.
He know he's the dad.
JUDGE LAKE: Before the baby was born?
Before the baby was born.
How did you know you were the dad
before the baby was born?
LIGHTLE: That's what I want to know.
She lived with me at the time, Your Honor.
She was dating her ex.
My ex.
MOSES: Her ex-boyfriend.
They've been sexing for however long.
Never got pregnant.
As soon as she come dealing with me,
she's pregnant a month, two months later.
How that's not my baby?
How do you know it's your baby
if she's been dealing with this guy
the whole time, even when she was with you?
No, she wasn't.
I only dealt with him once when I was with him
around the time that I got pregnant, Your Honor.
So you're saying around the window of conception,
you slept with another man?
LIGHTLE: My ex, yes.
But you were also with Mr. Moses?
LIGHTLE: Yeah.
We weren't official, but yeah.
JUDGE LAKE: Okay. But you were having sex?
MOSES: Yes. But she lived with me.
Yeah.
MOSES: But we did our own thing. She...
Yeah. Explain to me what is this relationship.
Now, she lived with you, but she does her thing. What is this?
I broke up with you because I caught you
in the bed with a female.
Oh, I kicked you out.
You didn't kick me out. I left.
I caught you in the bed with a female and I left.
You didn't kick me out. How?
Yeah. I did that on purpose.
How you kick me out when I was helping you
pay your rent, how?
Hold on, hold on.
Hold on. Were you all in a committed relationship?
I was committed.
MOSES: She... No.
She just told you she slept with another man.
LIGHTLE: Before we were official.
She lived with me.
I wasn't living with you when I slept with him.
So you all moved in together?
LIGHTLE: Yeah.
With no commitment?
When we moved in together,
there was supposed to be a commitment.
I slept with my ex before we made a commitment.
We were, like, friends with benefits at first.
So how can you expect anybody to be committed?
You let me live with you.
You said you wanted a commitment.
JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Lightle,
when you found out you were pregnant,
who did you tell?
MOSES: Me.
I told him.
He was with me when I found out I was pregnant.
When she was in labor, who did you call?
LIGHTLE: I called you.
Me.
Who stayed there all three days in the hospital?
LIGHTLE: You did.
Me.
Who the baby came home with the first day she came home?
LIGHTLE: It's you.
Me.
But still...
I told you, you know. You know.
MOSES: You know what I mean? My daughter... Just look.
Right there at birth.
JUDGE LAKE: And, Mr. Moses, I can see this makes you emotional
when you talk about it because you love this baby.
I do. That's my daughter.
That's mine. Lamiyah is mine.
Until these results say otherwise, that's my daughter.
And you say you were led to believe she's yours.
That's what you were told.
MOSES: Yeah.
AUDIENCE: Aw!
JUDGE LAKE: Oh, she's just beautiful.
(MOSES LAUGHS)
LIGHTLE: Thank you.
That's my baby.
Yeah, that's my baby.
Oh, she's so cute.
I would love for her to be my daughter.
JUDGE LAKE: Why do you think she's saying...
I feel she has a guilty conscience
within her that she has to care of
more than with me.
I know this is my child.
You know what I mean? I believe this is my child.
I feel right here, that's here.
She has a different feeling inside her.
And this emotion that you feelin' this moment?
Betrayed. Betrayed.
Betrayed from who though?
MOSES: You.
You're very disrespectful, Lamik.
MOSES: You're disrespectful.
You've made my life a living hell.
You made my life a living hell.
What?
Who bothered who more, Brittany?
Let's pray right now to the universe
that she's not your baby.
Who bothered who more? Who bothered who more?
You bothered me, Malik.
Don't call me no Malik.
Lamik, whatever.
She's not your baby.
She does numerous things to me. You know what I mean?
If I'm dealing with a female, she don't like that female,
I can't get my daughter because I'm be at that female house.
That's a lie.
It's obvious you all have
hit messy mode.
MOSES: Right.
It's just messy now.
LIGHTLE: Yeah.
But in terms of the paternity,
you are saying definitively Ms. Lightle,
you're not the father.
LIGHTLE: True.
Like, when she was first born,
she looked like Lamik.
She doesn't look like him no more.
She looks like my ex.
She look like all my ex.
MOSES: People see me with Miyah
and be like, "She look just like you. That got to be your child."
So, okay. I need to understand this.
If she looks like your ex,
you really believe she's your ex
and in eight months old,
you told Mr. Moses
he may not be the father.
MOSES: Why not before that?
Why is Mr. Moses in the hospital?
Why is he there for the birth?
Why does he sign the birth certificate?
Why does the baby go home with him?
Why does he have visitation
and you're giving him visitation?
Why?
Legally, he is the father.
I told him that before I had the baby that...
JUDGE LAKE: No, legally,
he does have a legal right to see the child
because he signed the birth certificate.
So you're here to tell me that
because he has that legal right,
you're letting him see the child?
LIGHTLE: They have a bond.
Somehow, I don't believe
this is based on the law.
They have a bond, Your Honor,
but he did step up and he was there.
I feel it's unfair for me,
because, like she said, I did step up.
You know what I mean? For her to tell me, as a man,
I'm not the father of my daughter
and I stepped up to be the father to my daughter...
I told you that before I had the baby though...
Let him finish the sentence.
MOSES: But she tells me this off and on.
If you're gonna tell me something, you stick to it.
You got to stick to it.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
You know what I mean?
Don't be on the fence, you know what I mean?
Oh, we're on good terms now, "Come and get your daughter."
You know what I mean?
"Oh, I don't like you now.
"No, you can't get her."
MOSES: Stick to one side. Let me know.
I mean I never told you you couldn't come get your daughter.
First of all, it ain't even between us.
I don't care if don't like me, I don't like you.
But we got a little girl to grow up with.
We got a little girl to raise.
No, we don't.
MOSES: That's the attitude.
I ain't gonna lie, Your Honor.
I'm not a good boyfriend.
But I'm a great father. You know what I mean?
I'm not a good boyfriend and I ain't gonna lie,
but I'm a great father.
For me to be just like belittled
in any way for my daughter is disrespectful.
What's disrespectful is the things
that you do, Mr. Moses, like,
MOSES: What did I do to you?
LIGHTLE: I asked him not...
This girl has threatened me over Facebook,
so I told him, "Do not bring my daughter over there."
Hold up. She started trouble with this female.
JUDGE LAKE: All right. Listen, listen, listen.
Now, we're again off the subject of paternity.
So you all are intent on
airing out all your messiness in here. I'm concerned about Lamiyah.
I'm trying to figure out who's her biological father.
She's one year now,
and as far as we know now,
she thinks Mr. Moses is her dad, is that correct?
Yeah, she's call me dada and everything.
MOSES: She knows I'm her dad.
That's the only dad she's ever known?
Yes, Your Honor.
So the stakes are high here
because the truth is she will know
if this man is now missing from her life.
And now this baby is calling you dada
and her mother saying, "No, that's not."
That hurt.
JUDGE LAKE: I can only imagine what that feels like,
because it's still so new.
MOSES: Right.
It's just a year.
It seemed like yesterday.
MOSES: My first.
Your first.
My first.
JUDGE LAKE: I get it,
but I also understand your position
that if there is a question,
better for us to know now.
Than later.
JUDGE LAKE: But I have to ask you, Ms. Lightle,
do you truly believe Mr. Moses
is not her biological father
or is your relationship just at such a negative point,
volatile point, that you just don't want him to be?
I just don't want him to be the father, Your Honor.
I just don't. I can't deal with this man
for the rest of my life, for 18 years.
I can't deal with him for another day.
I don't even wanna be with, right here, you know, talking.
Stop.
Like, I don't...
I don't want him to be the father.
I can't, I just can't do it anymore.
Do you really know who your child's father is?
I slept with both of them
around the time I got pregnant, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: Okay. So that means you don't.
And look, this is why we're here.
Just lay it on the line. So you don't know.
JUDGE LAKE: And at eight months you told him that.
Yeah.
JUDGE LAKE: But then when he still
decided to be there, did the other guy
not really wanna be there?
Why did you let him? You kept saying,
"Well, he stepped up."
The other guy, he...
He, uh, stepped back because he stepped up.
LIGHTLE: You know, he didn't know if it was his for sure
and he stepped up, so he took the back...
Oh, sometimes I get a light bulb.
MOSES: The thing...
No, no, no, no. Don't talk.
Because I just need to process it
because I finally got it.
JUDGE LAKE: You don't know who the child's father is.
The ex doesn't know for certain.
You informed Mr. Moses
that you didn't know for certain,
but because of the confusion,
the ex, kind of, dropped back, but Mr. Moses
still came on up and stepped up to the plate.
LIGHTLE: Yeah.
JUDGE LAKE: So you allowed him
to be there even though there was confusion
and you didn't know.
Yes, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: I get it now.
Your ex, Mr. Green, is here. I'd like to hear from him.
Ron, will you please escort Mr. Green in?
Yes, ma'am.
RON: Come on in.
RON: Go right up the stairs.
You look real cool coming down the courtroom,
but you know you can't wear no sunglasses
in my courtroom now.
Thank you, sir.
So let me make sure I have an understanding of this.
She came and told you, "I'm pregnant,"
while you all have been dealing with each other,
she said you're her ex,
but once she told you that she also admitted
openly, point-blank, that Mr. Moses
also was a potential father and then she added,
"But he's stepping up to the plate."
He stepped up to the plate
and, I mean, you know, we had intercourse one time
and there's a possibility that she might be mine.
Ms. Lightle, have you let Mr. Green
into Lamiyah's life at all?
I mean, Mr. Green is my friend.
We hang out and when I got the baby,
he's around, you know, she's around him.
She doesn't know him as daddy.
JUDGE LAKE: She doesn't?
LIGHTLE: No.
LIGHTLE: But he's definitely been around her.
He... You know.
I don't really, I never really let them bond because...
Why can't my daughter be around girls I messed with?
LIGHTLE: I never really let them bond
because he stepped up to the plate.
But he's been around.
So, Mr. Green, when you're around Lamiyah
and you're with Ms. Lightle, is something going on
in the back of your mind every time you see her, like,
"Is this my child? Does she look like me?"
Absolutely.
JUDGE LAKE: It does?
It's natural.
Ms. Lightle, you're saying you hope
Mr. Green is Lamiyah's father?
LIGHTLE: Yes, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: Why?
LIGHTLE: We have a friendship.
It's just a better environment for my daughter to be raised in
because it's not poisonous
like our relationship.
You know, I don't want my daughter to see me
arguing and fighting with her dad all her life.
So when you say, "I don't want him to be the father,"
it really is based upon the nature of your relationship
and the way in which you both interact.
JUDGE LAKE: You just feel like it's toxic?
Yes.
When we good, we good. When we bad, we bad.
She making it seem like it be all bad.
It is all bad.
No. She make it bad.
JUDGE LAKE: Well, it can't be all bad
because you wouldn't have potentially been
in this courtroom making this beautiful child,
so there's no way it could have always been bad.
And if it was always bad,
you wouldn't have wanted him around you
in the delivery room,
definitely not on the birth certificate.
You don't wanna be bothered with nobody
you don't wanna be bothered with when you're having a baby.
LIGHTLE: That's why I'm here.
So what I'm saying is,
it wasn't always bad.
All right. So we know what you're hoping for, Mr. Moses.
You're hoping Lamiyah is your biological child.
Right.
JUDGE LAKE: I think it's time for the results. Ron.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
RON: Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: Thank you.
These results were prepared by DNA Diagnostics
and they read as follows.
In the case of Moses,■ Green v. Lightle...
Pertaining to whether Mr. Moses
or Mr. Green is the father
of one-year-old Lamiyah Moses,
it has been determined by this court,
the biological father is...
Mr. Green.
You are the father.
I'm sorry, Mr. Moses.
MOSES: I'm okay.
I'm just glad we know. You know what I mean?
It's a bittersweet feeling from my end.
You know, I would love to
be the biological father of Lamiyah,
but now, I don't got to deal with that.
MOSES: You know, so, you know...
The feeling is mutual.
JUDGE LAKE: We sit here day after day
and we see various different approaches
from possible fathers.
Some fathers say, "I want hands off until I know the truth."
And some men like you step up to the plate
even when there is uncertainty on the table.
I commend you for that.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
Thank you.
JUDGE LAKE: You know, and whatever this is
between the two of you, put that aside
so that Lamiyah can get the closure
and hopefully be able to have her biological father's name
on her birth certificate.
Mr. Green, when you look at your beautiful little girl,
how do you feel?
I just feel like she's mine.
I, you know, I feel blessed.
JUDGE LAKE: So that thought going on in the back
of your head was real.
Thank you again, Mr. Moses, for being such a standup guy
for this little girl.
And we have counseling and resources for you all.
I wish you all the very best of luck.
LIGHTLE: Thank you.
Court is adjourned.
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