JOININGS NOW, MSNBC ANCHOR AND POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT STEVE
KORNACKI. >> STRANGE THINGS CAN OBVIOUSLY
HAPPEN IN THESE SPECIAL ELECTIONS.
>> IS A STRANGE THING HAPPENING? >> SCOTT BROWN GOT ELECTED IN
2009 AFTER THE OBAMACARE BATTLE. KANSAS, THOUGH, IS THERE ANY WAY
THIS GUY'S GOING TO LOSE? >> IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE
BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRESIDENTIAL VOTE IN THIS
DISTRICT, THIS IS A DISTRICT DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY DID A
LITTLE BETTER THAN MITT ROMNEY DID FOUR YEARS AGO AND ROMNEY
WON IT BIG. 27 POINTS.
IT WAS 60-33. I THINK TO THE EXTENT HAVE YOU
SOME REPUBLICANS WHO ARE WAS IN HERE IS YOU HAVE TO LOOK A
LITTLE DEEPER. IT'S THE STATE ISSUES AND IT'S
SAM BROWNBACK, THE GOVERNOR. A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON
ELECTION DAY LAST NOVEMBER. IT WAS A TRUMP STATE ALMOST TWO
TO WIN OVER HILLARY CLINTON. IT WAS A MASSACRE AT THE
PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL. DEMOCRATS GAINED SEATS IN THE
STATE LEGISLATURE IN KANSAS ON THAT SAME ELECTION DAY.
THAT INCLUDED A DISTRICT, A STATE SENATE DISTRICT IN THIS
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. THERE'S A BIG -- THERE'S
EFFECTIVELY THREE PARTIES IN KANSAS RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A BROWNBACK REPUBLICAN PARTY, AN ANTI-BROWNBACK
REPUBLICAN PARTY AND A DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
THE FEAR OF REPUBLICANS IS THAT TWO OF THOSE MAY BE IN A RACE
LIKE THIS, IN A LOW INTEREST RACE, MAYBE THEY UNITE TO BRING
BROWNBACK A MESSAGE. THE CHANCES OF THIS BEING CLOSE
IS NOT THAT GOOD. >> WHAT ABOUT GEORGE?
>> IT'S MORE INTERESTING. IF YOU LOOK ALTHOUGH
REPUBLICANS, THE TRIGTAL REPUBLICAN VOTERS WHO TRUMP
STRUGGLED WITH IN NOVEMBER AND WHO DEMOCRATS ARE COUNTING ON IN
'18, WHITE COLLEGE EDUCATED,
WHITE-COLLAR SUBURBANITE. THAT'S THIS DISTRICT IN GEORGIA
NEXT WEEK. THIS IS A DISTRICT MITT ROMNEY
CARRIED BY MORE THAN 20 POINTS --
>> DID TRUMP WIN THIS BY -- >> BY ONE.
>> WENT FROM 23 FOR ROMNEY TO 1 POINT FOR TRUMP.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE BIG SWING AMONG COLLEGE EDUCATED WHITES.
THEY SAY WE NEED TWO DOZEN SEATS, DEMOCRATS SAY, TO FLIP
THE HOUSE. THERE ARE TWO DOZEN SEATS LIKE
THIS ONE IN GEORGIA. IF THEY CAN WIN THIS ONE IN
GEORGIA, THEY SAY, THAT'S A SIGNAL THEY COULD HAVE THE
NUMBERS IN 2018. >> FAIR TO SAY GEORGIA ON A
NATIONAL LEVEL IS REALLY THE ONE TO LOOK AT OPPOSED TO KANSAS,
WHICH IS PROBABLY MORE ABOUT THE GOVERNOR THERE?
>> I THINK -- IF WE GOT FUNNY RESULTS OUT OF KANSAS IT'S A
HUGE NATIONAL STORY. I THINK MORE THAN LIKELY THE
TRADITIONAL PARTISAN FORM WILL REASSERT ITSELF.
DEMOCRATS -- THINK OF THE LAST WEEK OR TWO IN THE NOVEMBER, IN
THE FALL CAMPAIGN. DEMOCRATS WERE SEEING NUMBERS IN
STATES THEY NEVER THOUGHT THEY'D SEE, SAYING HILLARY CLINTON
COULD WIN A GEORGIA AND THEN A BIG REALITY CHECK ON ELECTION
DAY. THAT COULD HAPPEN IN GEORGE,
TOO. >> IN KANSAS, A STATEWIDE ISSUE
AND ALSO A NATIONAL ISSUE, DID MEDICARE, THE GOVERNOR'S, YOU
KNOW, REFUSING TO TAKE IT HAVE AN IMPACT?
>> YEAH. LOOK, THERE'S THE MEDICAID ISSUE
IN KANSAS AND ALSO THE BIG STORY HAS BEEN SCHOOL FUNDING AND TAX
CUTS. BROWNBACK HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY
ADAMANT STICKING TO THIS TAX CUT PACKAGE THAT HAS DECIMATED
SCHOOL FUNDING ACROSS THE STATE. HAVE YOU REPUBLICANS FROM PARTS
OF THAT STATE SAYING WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE LESS RIGID ON THE
TAX SIDE FOR THE SAKE OF SCHOOL FUNDING.
THAT'S BEEN A BIG OPENING, ANTI-BROWNBACK.
ESTES IS ASSOCIATED WITH SAM BROWNBACK, THE GOVERNOR, STATE
TREASURER, FACE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
THAT'S SORT OF THE FEAR THERE. >> "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE" OPENING
SKETCH WAS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND HIS SUPPORTERS IN UNION,
KENTUCKY. PEOPLE THINK MAYBE THEY WERE
BEING MADE FUN OF, MAYBE IT'S ACTUALLY THE LIBERALS SHOWING
JUST HOW CLUELESS THEY ARE. TAKE A LOOK.
>> I WORK IN UNION BUT MY WIFE WON'T MOVE BECAUSE SHE'S IN A
FEDERALLY SPONSORED DRUG REHAB PROGRAM THAT'S AN HOUR A WAY.
>> TERRIBLE. MY WIFE DOESN'T WANT TO MOVE
EITHER. >> BUT LIKE I WAS SAYING, MY
WIFE STAYS BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL REHAB PROGRAM.
>> WELL, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT, OKAY, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET
RID OF IT. >> YOU'RE -- YOU'RE GETTING RID
OF IT? >> YES, JUNKING IT.
JUNKED. NOW SHE CAN LIVE WHEREVER SHE
WANTS TO. DID I MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER NOW?
>> I'M NOT SURE. BUT I VOTED FOR YOU AND YOU'RE
MY PRESIDENT. >> I WORK TWO JOBS FOR MINIMUM
WAGE. >> MINIMUM WAGE GONE, GONE.
>> OKAY. PERFECT.
WE CAN'T AFFORD A NEW HOUSE BECAUSE MY MORTGAGE IS UNDER
WATER. >> WE'RE GETTING RID OF IT.
>> MY MORTGAGE? >> NO, YOUR HOUSE, JUNKED.
>> OKAY. AND WE CAN'T EVEN DRINK OUR OWN
WATER BECAUSE THERE'S LEAD IN THAT.
>> NO, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT, THOUGH.
YOU STILL LOVE TRUMP. WE STILL LOVE TRUMP?
>> YOU'RE MY PRESIDENT. >> GUYS, YOU'RE BLOWING MY MIND.
KEEP EATING THAT FINGER CHILI. I HEAR MY HELICOPTER.
REMEMBER, I'M ONE OF YOU. >> I DON'T KNOW.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF CRITICISM ONLINE ABOUT THAT SKETCH.
TWEETED SNL COLD OPEN IS WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THINKS OF
RED AMERICA, WHICH IS WHY IT WENT RED.
>> I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT.
THERE'S A NARRATIVE YOU ALMOST SEE SORT OF IN THE SORT OF
CULTURAL PROGRAMMING THAT COMES OUT OF BLUE AMERICA THAT HAS
BEEN WAITING FOR THE IDEA THAT THESE TRUMP VOTERS ARE GOING TO
REALIZE THEY WERE DUPED. YOU SEE THATHAT SORT OF -- THAT
THEME IS HEAVY IN A LOT OF COVERAGE I'VE SEEN --
>> THAT SKETCH IS MAKING IT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE TOO DUMB TO BE
DUPED. >> THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MESSAGE.
THEY'RE SLOWLY GOING TO FIND OUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS BEST
FOR THEM. >> BUT IT GOES BACK TO THE
ARROGANCE OF A BOOK, WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH KANSAS?
>> WELL, CAN IS JUST FINE WITHOUT YOU, MANHATTAN.
KANSAS CAN MAKE ITS DECISIONS WITHOUT YOU.
LOOK -- I MEAN, THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN CITIES IN
ELITE CENTERS THAT HAVE ENOUGH OF THEIR OWN PROBLEMS.
THIS ARROGANCE -- AGAIN, IT IS WHY --
>> PART OF IT IS ARROGANCE. >> THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO --
>> THEY HAVE A TERRIFIC BATTING AVERAGE, MORE HITS THAN MISSES.
BUT A SKETCH LIKE THAT REALLY SHOWS HOW SOME PEOPLE,
ESPECIALLY IN MANHATTAN, LOOK AT SOME PARTS OF THE WORLD,
INCLUDING PLACES LIKE STATEN ISLAND, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE
THERE -- >> IT'S LIKE THE PEPSI AD.
>> LET'S GO VISIT STATEN ISLAND. LET'S DROP IN ON PADUCAH,
KENTUCKY, AND SEE HOW NATIVES FEEL ABOUT AMERICA.
>> AND TAKE SOME SAMPLES WHILE WE'RE THERE.
>> YEAH. >> THE BIG IS PROBLEM IS THIS
ELITISM DOESN'T END UP HURTING THE CONSERVATIVES.
IT ENDS UP HURTING THE VERY PEOPLE THAT THEY -- THAT ARE
MOCKING THEM AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST THIS ONE "SNL"
SKETCH, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S ACADEMIA OR POPULAR
CULTURE BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WAKE UP THE DAY AFTER
GEORGE W. BUSH IS RE-ELECTED IN 2004 WALKING AROUND LIKE ZOM
BUSINESS SHOCKED OR SHOCKED DONALD TRUMP CAN WIN.
I DON'T MEAN TO KEEP REPEATING THIS, BUT THERE WERE CERTAIN
PEOPLE THAT GOT ABSOLUTELY SECURED FOR EVEN SUGGESTING
DONALD TRUMP COULD WIN. THEY WERE SO CLOSE-MINDED ABOUT
EVERYTHING, THEY WOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVE THAT
DONALD TRUMP COULD WIN. >> I THINK THAT ONE OF THE
THEMES OF THE CAMPAIGN WAS A CULTURE CONDESCENSION.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT POLICY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WAY THEY
LIVE THEIR LIVES, RELIGION OR GUNS OR MOVIES THEY WATCH.
I THINK THAT'S CONTINUED AND PROBABLY ONLY GOTTEN WORSE SINCE
HIS ELECTION AS MANY PEOPLE IN COMEDY SEE THEMSELVES AS PART OF
THE RESISTANCE IN SOME WAY. AND THERE'S PROBABLY A
RE-ELECTION OF THAT IN THAT SKETCH.
LATER IN THE SHOW THEY DID A TAPED PIECE WITH LOUIS C.K.
WHERE THEY MOCKED THE COUCH-SITTING SOCIAL JUSTICE
WARRIORS. I ACTUALLY DO THINK IN MANY WAYS
"SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE" HAS TRIED TO MAKE FUN OF THE THINGS THAT
NEED TO BE MADE FUN OF. DO YOU BELIEVE THEY'RE PART OF
BLACK LIVES MATTER BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE FACEBOOK STORY?
>> I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, AND WE WERE SAYING AT THE SAME TIME,
AFTER THE ELECTION THE BROOKLYN BUBBLE SCRIPT.
OF COURSE, THERE WON'T BE ANY POLICE OFFICERS OR FIREFIGHTERS
THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE INSIDE THE BUBBLE.
>> YOU TOUCHED ON, I THINK, AN IMPORTANT ISSUE IN TERMS OF
COMMUNICATION. WHAT WE SAY, HOW WE SAY IT, WHEN
WE SAY IT. IT AND REVOLVES AROUND THE
REACTION OF THE PAST THREE, FOUR DAYS, THE MEDIA REACTION TOWARD
PEOPLE WHO SENATE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER THAT THE MISSILE SHOTS,
THE 59 CRUISE MISSILES, WAS A GOOD THING.
FINALLY A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES STOOD UP.
IF YOU SAY ANYTHING AT ALL THAT IS DEFINED BY SOME ELEMENTS OF
THE MEDIA AS SORT OF NORMALIZING DONALD TRUMP AS PRESIDENT, YOU
GET CRUSHED. >> THAT'S THE STUPIDITY OF --
THAT'S ONE OF THE DUMBEST THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THE
ELECTION. PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WELL, YOU
KNOW, YOU'RE NORMALIZING DONALD TRUMP BY SAYING HIS GENERALS PUT
TOGETHER A PRETTY GOOD PLAN, WHICH, BY THE WAY --
>> THOSE GENERALS ARE -- >> TOM FRIEDMAN, DAVID IGNATIUS,
JOHN KERRY, JUSTIN TRUDEAU -- >> HILLARY CLINTON.
>> HILLARY CLINTON, MOST OF THE FREE WORLD, I'VE GOT REALLY BAD
NEWS FOR PART-TIME THAT USE THIS NORMALIZATION TEST.
STEVE, DONALD TRUMP IS NORMALIZED WHEN HE GOT 306
ELECTORAL VOTES. HE DIDN'T BECOME PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES THURSDAY NIGHT.
HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES JANUARY 20, 2017,
WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. AND WE SOUND STUPID, MORE DUMB
THAN USUAL WHEN WE'RE ON TV GOING, TONIGHT DONALD TRUMP
BECAME PRESIDENT. NO, NO, HE BECAME PRESIDENT WHEN
HE HELD HIS HAND UP ON JANUARY 20th.
WE LOOK CLUELESS. IT IS NOT UP TO US DECIDE WHEN
HE BECAME PRESIDENT. THAT DECISION WAS MADE ON
NOVEMBER 8th. >> I HAVE TO SAY -- I THINK ON
NOVEMBER 8th, DAY AFTER THE ELECTION, THERE WAS SO MUCH
TALK, I THINK, IN THE MEDIA, PEOPLE WHO WERE SURPRISED BY THE
OUTCOME. AND I WAS CERTAINLY SURPRISED BY
THE OUTCOME, I THINK, LIKE MOST PEOPLE WERE, BUT THAT THIS WOULD
CHANGE THE WAY THE MEDIA THOUGHT ABOUT THE COUNTRY A LITTLE BIT.
MIGHT BROADEN THE LENS OF THE MEDIA.
I FELT IN MY CASE, IT HAS. ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE BEEN
THINKING ABOUT A LOT SINCE THE ELECTION, THIS WORD BUBBLE, THE
IDEA OF BUBBLES. I THINK THERE'S ALMOST LIKE
CARICATURE, CLICHE NOTION.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUBBLES IN THE COUNTRY.
SOCIAL MEDIA IN SOME WAY IS LIVING IN SOME KIND OF BUBBLE.
WHAT'S MISSING IS AN APPRECIATION THAT, YOU KNOW, IT
MAY NOT MAKE ANY SENSE IN YOUNGSTOWN, OHIO, IN THE
CULTURE, VALUES, PRIORITY, THE CONVERSATION OF LIFE THAT TAKES
PLACE ON THE UPPER WEST SIDE OF MANHATTAN, IT WORKS THERE.
BUT IT MAY NOT MAKE ANY SENSE ON THE UPPER WEST SIDE OF
MANHATTAN, THE CULTURE, THE CONVERSATION, THE VALUES OF
YOUNGSTOWN, BUT IT WORKS THERE. AN APPRECIATION IT CAN --
DIFFERENT THINGS CAN WORK IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
>> THERE ARE BLIND SPOTS. "THE NEW YORK TIMES" EDITOR HAS
TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE A BLIND SPOT ABOUT RELIGIOUS
FAITH. THEN ON PALM SUNDAY WEEKEND,
THEY RUN AN OP-ED OF SOMEONE BASICALLY COMPARING EVANGELICAL
CHRISTIANS IN THE SOUTH TO JUDAS.
I SAT THERE AND THOUGHT, YOU'RE RUNNING THIS OP-ED PALM SUNDAY
WEEKEND BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SOUTHERN
EVANGELICALS MAY NOT HAVE WAN
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